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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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On January 04 2013 08:40 crbox wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 02:43 Souli wrote:Hacker Name: llllllllllll (unfortunately, there are two protoss barcodes in GM Top 16; this guy has 10win/9loss until now) Server: HOTS Beta League: GM Top 10 Race: Protoss http://drop.sc/290568Crossmap scouts on a 4-player map but maneuvers his probe at the edge of the base to block my expansion. The only thing he scouted all game long is the second hatch and he even lets his observer stay at his base. Not very obvious hacking but he plays very suspicious. There aren't many things I enjoy more than a hacker getting banned by blizz but tbh if you have no evidence whatsoever of him hacking there's nothing we can do. Until someone posts a replay with definitive impossible selections, then you should post.
Such an awkward situation, really. you can have conclusive proof through maphacking, without selections/automation etc.
if you have a suspicious replay i think it's worth posting. how else are you going to get more replays from the same player, to check if there is more to it?
However on the other hand, it might damage a name that isn't hacking. i think as long as you word yourself with care, and explain what is suspicious about the replay it is ok. maybe type Suspect name, instead of Hacker name. i guess i'm partly to blame because of the template in the OP.
Everyone knows that a lot of replays that are legit look suspicious, experience, star sense, luck and what not, but if people take note of the name and have similar experiences that they submit, you might be able to see patterns / draw conclusions.
Now if the person is 'clean' chances this probably won't amount to more than a couple of replays with nothing that's really indicative, and nothing is stopping the said person from explaining the replay from his viewpoint or dumping the 5 games leading up to and preceding the game in question or whatever.
in this case i think it's a good submission.
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PEACE OUT NOOBS! (PS I will keep maphacking till the day I die so fuck off). HA! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
User was banned for this post.
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On January 04 2013 09:15 HoSSeNoRCHaNG wrote:
PEACE OUT NOOBS! (PS I will keep maphacking till the day I die so fuck off). HA! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
Congrats lol
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On January 04 2013 09:03 Souli wrote:Show nested quote +if you have no evidence whatsoever of him hacking there's nothing we can do. There is actually nothing we can do but reporting hackers ingame. This is more to raise awareness when playing such people. And my replay is more of an example like the spades incident. There is very high probability that he hacks but there is also very low probability that it might just be coincidence. It is not like there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. But I'll just let Nunez judge.
sorry, i don't have HOTS! :<
i was talking on a general level.
if someone else could write / provide analysis and reveiw HOTS reps and post in thread it would be really nice.
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Hacker name:  LGkouhai
Server: NA
League: diamond, 643 points, 32 wins (2012 Season 5)
Description:
LGkouhai(p, top left) vs WTShifty (t, bot left) @ antiga shipyard
@0:10 blindly sending a probe to WTShifty's base
@0:55 as he's microing his probe at the edge of WTS base his camera looks into kouhai's main.
@1:20 looks at main and front.
@2:31 looks at main
@2:52 looks at main
@3:10 looks at main
edit:
it seems like his main is zerg. i'd like another rep or so of this one even though this rep is pretty fucking blatant. ya never know.
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Hacker name: lul
Server: NA
League: diamond, 594 points, 184 wins (2012 Season 5)
Description:
lul(p, bot left) vs Takashi (z, bot right) @ entombed valley
@1:35 sends probe to bot right, goes up natural ramp, moves camera around for a while and sends probe back. never actually sees anything zerg.
@2:34 moves back up and goes for the pylon block after the hatch is put down.
@4:30 looks into fog of war
@4:52 looks into fog of war
@6:47 looks into fog of war
@6:52 looks into fog of war
@7:32 looks at overlord in fog of war
lul(p, bot right) vs zTQ(z, bot left) @ antiga shipyard
@1:29 sends probe to bot left spawn, pulls it back as it is about to be revealed by an ovi, sends it up anyways after a while. the ovi is heading for z's nat.
@7:52 calls out zTQ on building 2 roach warrens, no vision.
@9:37 is so focused on killing the overlord that he lets a nydus go up in his main... with maphacks... what a fucking dumbass.
On January 09 2013 07:36 Uber_Nick wrote:Server: NA Your Name: TCFnick.830 Hacker Name: lulReplay: lul maphackDescription: Camera view under fog of war at 30 seconds. Sees spawning pool soon after without scouting, comments on it and reacts to it. Another camera view under fog of war at 2:17 where units are and comments on those. Clear evidence throughout rest of replay. I also have another replay showing similar, but this is pretty clear-cut.
On January 10 2013 11:33 Chocoboo wrote:Same hacker (lul) Replay: http://drop.sc/293381Description: Camera in my fog of war right when i'm building my pool. no scouting entire game and calls out what i'm building throughout the game.
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updated op with TsuWoo, Adalf and lul. would like some more reps on Kouhai, even though the one already posted was pretty blatant.
added in bnet url id's so you can easily check if you actually played a confirmed hacker and not some poor guy who only shares name. big thanks to korona for doing the hard work and coming up with the idea.
also moved ChoboSmurf to banned. it seems like he is. at least i can't find his profile on either sc2ranks or bnet.
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Dysphoria hacks? lol, i played him 3 times and didnt notice. he was terrible oO
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On January 01 2013 00:06 gillon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 08:29 Natalya wrote:Hacker name: RageYeldy Server: EU League: master, 1.345 points, 95 wins / 72 losses Description: RageYeldy vs NatalyaHe blind counter my first roach push (could be luck), then blind counter my broodlords transition when all he saw was 5-6 infestors. Never scouted a spire nor the hive nor a corruptor nor a broodlord. I had melee and carapace upgrades and he was meching, which means ultralisk could be viable. He commited to an anti-broodlord army to the point of having 2 staport, 2 more reactored starport and 2 attack 1 armor for air. He commited to all that without scouting anything and nearly stopped to build anything that didnt hit broodlords. Maybe it's not enough to be positive he's hacking. It could be a hack showing my production bar. But I dont think it's not reasonable to commit that much to vikings without scouting anything. To make the review of the replay easier : my infestor/broodlord transition starts at 14:00, he starts air attack and starport at 16:00 edit : I tried to look for auto scv production using sc2gears but didnt find anything. Is there a program to do that more easily? This absolutely shows nothing. BL is way more prevalent as well versus mech so there are a whole bunch of players who add blind ports.
There's a difference between adding blind starport, which i agree is not any legit source of suspicion, and actually producing 6 vikings at a time with 2 attack 1 armor researched for air without even sending a helion to scout my army composition? I only said it was suspicious, and I'll leave it as it is so that if someone is suspicious against the same guy he can find this rep and well if this kind of things happens with this guy all the time at some point i guess it will be enough to say he's hacking.
@ Nunez : I guess you didnt find solid things enough, as I thought it would be. Keep up the good work 
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On January 05 2013 06:18 Natalya wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 00:06 gillon wrote:On December 31 2012 08:29 Natalya wrote:Hacker name: RageYeldy Server: EU League: master, 1.345 points, 95 wins / 72 losses Description: RageYeldy vs NatalyaHe blind counter my first roach push (could be luck), then blind counter my broodlords transition when all he saw was 5-6 infestors. Never scouted a spire nor the hive nor a corruptor nor a broodlord. I had melee and carapace upgrades and he was meching, which means ultralisk could be viable. He commited to an anti-broodlord army to the point of having 2 staport, 2 more reactored starport and 2 attack 1 armor for air. He commited to all that without scouting anything and nearly stopped to build anything that didnt hit broodlords. Maybe it's not enough to be positive he's hacking. It could be a hack showing my production bar. But I dont think it's not reasonable to commit that much to vikings without scouting anything. To make the review of the replay easier : my infestor/broodlord transition starts at 14:00, he starts air attack and starport at 16:00 edit : I tried to look for auto scv production using sc2gears but didnt find anything. Is there a program to do that more easily? This absolutely shows nothing. BL is way more prevalent as well versus mech so there are a whole bunch of players who add blind ports. There's a difference between adding blind starport, which i agree is not any legit source of suspicion, and actually producing 6 vikings at a time with 2 attack 1 armor researched for air without even sending a helion to scout my army composition? I only said it was suspicious, and I'll leave it as it is so that if someone is suspicious against the same guy he can find this rep and well if this kind of things happens with this guy all the time at some point i guess it will be enough to say he's hacking. @ Nunez : I guess you didnt find solid things enough, as I thought it would be. Keep up the good work
hi nata! i didn't have time to watch through it yet. i apologize. i will try to remember to respond to you when i do. thank you.
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i wrote a small guide on checking for some automation hacks through sc2gears:
detecting automation hacks
also some food for thought regarding the difficult task of getting enough replays to prove maphacking in a way that doesn't damage those who just had that one suspicious game:
snowballing maphackers
hots is approaching, and can rebuild and modify. leave suggestions, discuss how to more efficiently do what we are doing, either here or there if yall.
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Found another extremely suspicious NA terran, Pegasus. Never scouts/scans in a 30+ minute game and perfectly snipes probes and pylons in fog several times over the course of 2 games. Some of these snipes make sense given a player has experience (i.e they kill a probe so there may be a pylon nearby, which happens once or twice) but a lot of times he segments his army to kill off a probe moving along the map without any vision whatsoever. Here are the replays and my times posted. edit: This guy basically deliberately tries to make it look like he's not cheating which is why it's really annoying.
I didn't even realize that he was sketchy until the 2nd game, but maybe you'll see what I mean. If you don't agree that's fine but I've been basically 100% on every single maphacker I've called out previously so I'd say what I have to say is valid here.
Game #1 - http://drop.sc/290829 Daybreak LE
Doesn't scout the entire game, 0 vision of any of my bases.
5:25 - Moves out with a marauder and 2 marines to pick off a probe and a pylon without any scouting intel. Possibly he knows the timing of various gateway pressures and he's just checking blindly and uses a rally around to make it not look so suspicious.
~8:00 - Takes 3rd and double e-bay after only seeing heavy gateway pressure
9:10 - Blind ghost academy rather than any starport tech, could be stylistic choice but really hardcounters vs a upgrade based gateway army
10:30 - Blindly sends 4 units to pick off a probe putting down pylons along the bottom side of the map. Doesn't rally attack here, just directly sends them to cut off the probe.
18:00 - Selects a part of his army to kill off a probe not yet in his vision going toward his xel'naga tower, also his vision doesn't move off of his army at this point so possibly some kind of camera lock here?
~20:00 - Attack moves through the top rather than just move commanding to pick off 2 pylons. I guess this move can be logical but in the context of the rest of the game it is just another piece of evidence.
24:00 - Attack rallies through to a pylon in fog after completing a drop.
26:40 - Sends 1 cloaked ghost into a clump of high energy isolated high templar that he doesn't have vision of
32:30 - Sends vikings to where my collosus are moving
In general, just the right moves at the right time every time despite poor macro.
Game #2 - http://drop.sc/291119 Ohana LE
Doesn't scout again this game, same opening.
6:00 - Sees the probe coming from the top of the 3rd and kills pylon, normal
10:10 - Sends army directly to proxy pylon
11:55 - Starts to send medivacs into stalkers, notices through fog that he's about to walk into my
stalkers so he moves the medivacs over to the right to avoid them getting sniped
16:20 - Starts to send a segment of his army to pick off a pylon he has no vision of, but thinks twice of it when he realizes he shouldn't have vision of my probe yet so he sends it back until
the probe reveals itself lol
Overall 2nd game less conclusive than the 1st but just useful as supplemental evidence. Has some pretty fruitful occurrences at least.
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I found a really obvious maphacker today. I thought it was funny when I noticed he had significantly less apm than me (this has never happened to me before...).
ThenMeIsNoob
NA server, Master League
http://drop.sc/291166
Throughout the whole game he never scouts, not even an observer. Over and over his camera moves onto fog of war where my units are, and he responds to units/structures in fog of war.
I'll start after his failed attack.
7:03 - moves camera to and attacks units straight towards my proxy pylon in fog of war
7:59 - looks at my units in fog of war
8:47-8:51 - scans his camera over my entire base in fog of war
8:57 - looks back at my natural again
9:26 - looks back again
9:43 - he starts responding to my warp prism in fog of war which he has never gained vision of, sends stalkers to prevent it from dropping. a few times moves camera to its location in fog of war
10:22 - looks straight at a proxy pylon i just placed in fog of war far from his base
10:42 - moves his units out just in time to intercept a probe headed towards him in fog of war
10:51 - looks straight where that proxy pylon is, sends army to kill it
13:25 - moves camera straight to a zealot in fog of war, sends army to kill it immediately afterwards
13:52 - moves camera over my natural again (which he still has no vision of)
15:32 - looks at my third base which is now under construction
16:35 - looks straight at my army right after it moves out from my third
18:09 - starts moving his army to where i moved my army to attack him
18:49 - moves his camera over to my army which he still hasn't even gained vision of
This is all in addition to his being terrible and clearly not knowing how to play the game. After the game he said he didn't know why he lost it was obvious... I've never posted one of these before but this one was so blatant I felt I had to. Just his precise reaction to the warp prism is conclusive evidence, I feel.
Edit: Messaged a person who had also played him, he also said it was really obvious from his game that the guy was maphacking too.
Toodeloo,
kolst
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On January 05 2013 12:50 TylerThaCreator wrote:Found another extremely suspicious NA terran, Pegasus. Never scouts/scans in a 30+ minute game and perfectly snipes probes and pylons in fog several times over the course of 2 games. Some of these snipes make sense given a player has experience (i.e they kill a probe so there may be a pylon nearby, which happens once or twice) but a lot of times he segments his army to kill off a probe moving along the map without any vision whatsoever. Here are the replays and my times posted. edit: This guy basically deliberately tries to make it look like he's not cheating which is why it's really annoying. I didn't even realize that he was sketchy until the 2nd game, but maybe you'll see what I mean. If you don't agree that's fine but I've been basically 100% on every single maphacker I've called out previously so I'd say what I have to say is valid here. Game #1 - http://drop.sc/290829 Daybreak LE Doesn't scout the entire game, 0 vision of any of my bases. 5:25 - Moves out with a marauder and 2 marines to pick off a probe and a pylon without any scouting intel. Possibly he knows the timing of various gateway pressures and he's just checking blindly and uses a rally around to make it not look so suspicious. ~8:00 - Takes 3rd and double e-bay after only seeing heavy gateway pressure 9:10 - Blind ghost academy rather than any starport tech, could be stylistic choice but really hardcounters vs a upgrade based gateway army 10:30 - Blindly sends 4 units to pick off a probe putting down pylons along the bottom side of the map. Doesn't rally attack here, just directly sends them to cut off the probe. 18:00 - Selects a part of his army to kill off a probe not yet in his vision going toward his xel'naga tower, also his vision doesn't move off of his army at this point so possibly some kind of camera lock here? ~20:00 - Attack moves through the top rather than just move commanding to pick off 2 pylons. I guess this move can be logical but in the context of the rest of the game it is just another piece of evidence. 24:00 - Attack rallies through to a pylon in fog after completing a drop. 26:40 - Sends 1 cloaked ghost into a clump of high energy isolated high templar that he doesn't have vision of 32:30 - Sends vikings to where my collosus are moving In general, just the right moves at the right time every time despite poor macro. Game #2 - http://drop.sc/291119 Ohana LE Doesn't scout again this game, same opening. 6:00 - Sees the probe coming from the top of the 3rd and kills pylon, normal 10:10 - Sends army directly to proxy pylon 11:55 - Starts to send medivacs into stalkers, notices through fog that he's about to walk into my stalkers so he moves the medivacs over to the right to avoid them getting sniped 16:20 - Starts to send a segment of his army to pick off a pylon he has no vision of, but thinks twice of it when he realizes he shouldn't have vision of my probe yet so he sends it back until the probe reveals itself lol Overall 2nd game less conclusive than the 1st but just useful as supplemental evidence. Has some pretty fruitful occurrences at least.
it could be previously confirmed hacker Demonoid.
edit: yes it is.
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Hacker name:  Pegasus
Server: NA
League: Master, 1054 points, 43 wins / 35 losses
Description:
Demonoid(t, top left) vs Soloturtle (p, top right) @ antiga shipyard
@2:02 autoscv production
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qj7lf.png)
@2:16 autoscv production
@2:36 autoscv production
@3:35 impossible selection and autoscv production
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/g84F2.png)
@4:02 impossible selection and autoscv production
@10:58 impossible selection and auto mule calldown on a mineral patch he doesn't have vision off (all in one frame).
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9y0qS.png)
On January 05 2013 12:50 TylerThaCreator wrote:Game #1 - http://drop.sc/290829 Daybreak LE Doesn't scout the entire game, 0 vision of any of my bases. 5:25 - Moves out with a marauder and 2 marines to pick off a probe and a pylon without any scouting intel. Possibly he knows the timing of various gateway pressures and he's just checking blindly and uses a rally around to make it not look so suspicious. ~8:00 - Takes 3rd and double e-bay after only seeing heavy gateway pressure 9:10 - Blind ghost academy rather than any starport tech, could be stylistic choice but really hardcounters vs a upgrade based gateway army 10:30 - Blindly sends 4 units to pick off a probe putting down pylons along the bottom side of the map. Doesn't rally attack here, just directly sends them to cut off the probe. 18:00 - Selects a part of his army to kill off a probe not yet in his vision going toward his xel'naga tower, also his vision doesn't move off of his army at this point so possibly some kind of camera lock here? ~20:00 - Attack moves through the top rather than just move commanding to pick off 2 pylons. I guess this move can be logical but in the context of the rest of the game it is just another piece of evidence. 24:00 - Attack rallies through to a pylon in fog after completing a drop. 26:40 - Sends 1 cloaked ghost into a clump of high energy isolated high templar that he doesn't have vision of 32:30 - Sends vikings to where my collosus are moving In general, just the right moves at the right time every time despite poor macro. Game #2 - http://drop.sc/291119 Ohana LE Doesn't scout again this game, same opening. 6:00 - Sees the probe coming from the top of the 3rd and kills pylon, normal 10:10 - Sends army directly to proxy pylon 11:55 - Starts to send medivacs into stalkers, notices through fog that he's about to walk into my stalkers so he moves the medivacs over to the right to avoid them getting sniped 16:20 - Starts to send a segment of his army to pick off a pylon he has no vision of, but thinks twice of it when he realizes he shouldn't have vision of my probe yet so he sends it back until the probe reveals itself lol
Note:
changed name from demonoid.
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apparently i had messed up demonoid with a barcode previously, but alls well that ends well.
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Hacker name: ThenMeIsNoob
Server: NA
League: master, 300 points
Description:
ThenMeIsNoob(p, bot right) vs dLYosh (p, top left) @ ohana le
7:30 looks through fow at constructing hidden expo.
7:54 looks through fow at constructing hidden expo.
8:08 looks through fow at dlYosh army at ramp.
8:18 looks through fow at constructing hidden expo.
8:46 looks through fow at constructing hidden expo.
8:57 looks through fow at constructing hidden expo.
9:02 looks through fow at constructing hidden expo and goes to kill it now that it's done.
On January 05 2013 15:15 kolst wrote:ThenMeIsNoob (p, top right) vs kolst (p, bot left) @ cloud kingdomThroughout the whole game he never scouts, not even an observer. Over and over his camera moves onto fog of war where my units are, and he responds to units/structures in fog of war. I'll start after his failed attack. 7:03 - moves camera to and attacks units straight towards my proxy pylon in fog of war 7:59 - looks at my units in fog of war 8:47-8:51 - scans his camera over my entire base in fog of war 8:57 - looks back at my natural again 9:26 - looks back again 9:43 - he starts responding to my warp prism in fog of war which he has never gained vision of, sends stalkers to prevent it from dropping. a few times moves camera to its location in fog of war 10:22 - looks straight at a proxy pylon i just placed in fog of war far from his base 10:42 - moves his units out just in time to intercept a probe headed towards him in fog of war 10:51 - looks straight where that proxy pylon is, sends army to kill it 13:25 - moves camera straight to a zealot in fog of war, sends army to kill it immediately afterwards 13:52 - moves camera over my natural again (which he still has no vision of) 15:32 - looks at my third base which is now under construction 16:35 - looks straight at my army right after it moves out from my third 18:09 - starts moving his army to where i moved my army to attack him 18:49 - moves his camera over to my army which he still hasn't even gained vision of This is all in addition to his being terrible and clearly not knowing how to play the game. After the game he said he didn't know why he lost it was obvious... I've never posted one of these before but this one was so blatant I felt I had to. Just his precise reaction to the warp prism is conclusive evidence, I feel. Toodeloo, kolst
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started up a HOTS thread for posting HOTS (...) replays:
HOTS: TL/GM Hacker Thread
note: add tags in your reps, more info in OP.
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Hacker name: RTStrauma
Server: hots
League: master
Description:
First off he blindly 4 gates me on antiga (ladder) with no scouting at all, he places all 3 pylons close to my natural after that no blatant maphack but after my counter attacks basically kills him off and i'm waiting for gg his apm drops down to 0 for about 10 seconds before the replay ends and the game desyncs and resaults in a tie. I would also like to mention this was the first time a desync ever happened to me in hots and I played alot of it, the timing is also very suspicious, I would very much like to check his match history and tell you guys his exact ranking but match history is not working for the last few days in hots so I cant.
I would also like to inform everyone that nerffy is playing hots and hacking.
Here is the replay: http://drop.sc/291295
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Voncomet , he is already confirmed. He isnt even trying to hide it well. RTStrauma = WLHgeorge =)
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EPT
