EPTServer: na
League: masters
Description: Scouts standard 1 gas fast expand with scv. I go 1 robo 4 gate all in. Doesnt scout again, just builds 5 bunkers and doesnt get his starport.
http://drop.sc/291907
Maphacking is getting so out of hand...
GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating th…
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cvgHuShang
Canada95 Posts
Server: na League: masters Description: Scouts standard 1 gas fast expand with scv. I go 1 robo 4 gate all in. Doesnt scout again, just builds 5 bunkers and doesnt get his starport. http://drop.sc/291907 Maphacking is getting so out of hand... | ||
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
On January 07 2013 08:33 cvgHuShang wrote: Maphacking is getting so out of hand... Yeah, any noob on battle.net can go and download a hack. Then he won't be banned unless reported by like 50 people. And of course if he at least hides it a little bit, many people won't even notice and he will go unpunished. I really hope Blizzard will improve their hack protections. There's some hacks out there that were undetected for like years. | ||
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SC2ShoWTimE
Germany722 Posts
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bGr.MetHiX
Bulgaria511 Posts
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Eggi
478 Posts
On January 06 2013 01:51 VonComet wrote: Hacker name: RTStrauma Server: hots League: master Description: First off he blindly 4 gates me on antiga (ladder) with no scouting at all, he places all 3 pylons close to my natural after that no blatant maphack but after my counter attacks basically kills him off and i'm waiting for gg his apm drops down to 0 for about 10 seconds before the replay ends and the game desyncs and resaults in a tie. I would also like to mention this was the first time a desync ever happened to me in hots and I played alot of it, the timing is also very suspicious, I would very much like to check his match history and tell you guys his exact ranking but match history is not working for the last few days in hots so I cant. I would also like to inform everyone that nerffy is playing hots and hacking. Here is the replay: http://drop.sc/291295 I can find evidence he hacks also, but I think this one is pretty much an open and shut case. | ||
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ImustnotfeaR
United Kingdom154 Posts
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On January 07 2013 08:33 cvgHuShang wrote: Hacker name: pipigrande Server: na League: masters Description: Scouts standard 1 gas fast expand with scv. I go 1 robo 4 gate all in. Doesnt scout again, just builds 5 bunkers and doesnt get his starport. http://drop.sc/291907 Maphacking is getting so out of hand... I played him and he just plays weird. Maybe he didnt hack back then, it was a few months ago, but it could explain his play in your game. He definitely hit a lucky timing though, I'll see if I can find the replay. edit: oh wow nevermind, your replay is pretty damning -.- | ||
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PiPiGranDe
Canada70 Posts
On January 07 2013 08:33 cvgHuShang wrote: Hacker name: pipigrande Server: na League: masters Description: Scouts standard 1 gas fast expand with scv. I go 1 robo 4 gate all in. Doesnt scout again, just builds 5 bunkers and doesnt get his starport. http://drop.sc/291907 Maphacking is getting so out of hand... Just cus i build bunkers blindly it doesn't mean i mh or anyone else does. I have played you two times in the past and still vividly remember your name (previous season)and both times i have lost to you with that all in you do. I just assumed you are still doing that all in. Smart? Probably not. I'm confident about my macro enough that i can macro out of my 5 bunkers in case you didn't all in. We played another game right after this one, and as you can probably testify i played a macro game vs you, and i'm sure there was nothing suspicious in that game. I lost, but that's besides the point. Why don't you post the replay as well? Btw in both games if you watch replay, i'm sure you won't see anything suspicious in-game. Ie. no looking at fog or clicking at your units, among other things that a mher would do. | ||
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
On January 08 2013 05:07 PiPiGranDe wrote: Just cus i build bunkers blindly it doesn't mean i mh or anyone else does. I have played you two times in the past and still vividly remember your name (previous season)and both times i have lost to you with that all in you do. I just assumed you are still doing that all in. Smart? Probably not. I'm confident about my macro enough that i can macro out of my 5 bunkers in case you didn't all in. We played another game right after this one, and as you can probably testify i played a macro game vs you, and i'm sure there was nothing suspicious in that game. I lost, but that's besides the point. Why don't you post the replay as well? Btw in both games if you watch replay, i'm sure you won't see anything suspicious in-game. Ie. no looking at fog or clicking at your units, among other things that a mher would do. I watched the replay and even without the bunker play he has not demonstrated any kind of map hacking. I would be a little more careful than to call someone out as a maphacker without thoroughly investigating it yourself. Just because someone blind counters you does not mean that they are hacking, it just means you got unlucky. | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On January 08 2013 05:16 Butterednuts wrote: I watched the replay and even without the bunker play he has not demonstrated any kind of map hacking. I would be a little more careful than to call someone out as a maphacker without thoroughly investigating it yourself. Just because someone blind counters you does not mean that they are hacking, it just means you got unlucky. Did you even watch the start of the game? He sends 2 scvs to ward off a probe and scout without even seeing a probe, at the exact time the probe was coming near the CC. He also doesn't scout with his scv at all or even try to confirm what his opponent is doing, just going in and leaving immediately at the start. Then he builds 5 bunkers and a depot wall. Also the warp prism loading into the main was looked at in fog of war and then reacted to with the entire army. | ||
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PiPiGranDe
Canada70 Posts
On January 08 2013 05:45 oOOoOphidian wrote: Did you even watch the start of the game? He sends 2 scvs to ward off a probe and scout without even seeing a probe, at the exact time the probe was coming near the CC. He also doesn't scout with his scv at all or even try to confirm what his opponent is doing, just going in and leaving immediately at the start. Then he builds 5 bunkers and a depot wall. Also the warp prism loading into the main was looked at in fog of war and then reacted to with the entire army. I'm guessing you are probably below diamond level as you don't see much pass what's 'obvious'. No offence but there is more to it than just what you see with your understanding of the game. 1) i cc first. When do i send my two scvs out? One is for my timing to build my rack and the other one is for scout (in case probe is incoming this scv will defend the other 2 scvs building cc and rax) 2) his timing is WAY delayed for a 4 gate. To any player higher than a low level would know either something is up (when 4 was assumed) or the p just expanded. Naturally, wouldn't it be a smart idea to build a supply at that place for more vision? Which in fact you can see me do but scv got killed (in replay you can see me selecting scv to build depot) 3) i blindly built bunkers i assumed he was going to all-in. When you lose two times in two different occasions to the same guy with a unique ID, you would easily remember the name. Most people under high masters only have 1 build each mu. I'm confident enough that if i survive any early cheese i can get out of5 rax situation and macro up. (Notice i'm confident about my macro but doesn't mean i will win for sure) 4) i highly encourage you to post the replay of my weird play. 5) anything else you wanna say? | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On January 08 2013 06:52 PiPiGranDe wrote: I'm guessing you are probably below diamond level as you don't see much pass what's 'obvious'. No offence but there is more to it than just what you see with your understanding of the game. 1) i cc first. When do i send my two scvs out? One is for my timing to build my rack and the other one is for scout (in case probe is incoming this scv will defend the other 2 scvs building cc and rax) 2) his timing is WAY delayed for a 4 gate. To any player higher than a low level would know either something is up (when 4 was assumed) or the p just expanded. Naturally, wouldn't it be a smart idea to build a supply at that place for more vision? Which in fact you can see me do but scv got killed (in replay you can see me selecting scv to build depot) 3) i blindly built bunkers i assumed he was going to all-in. When you lose two times in two different occasions to the same guy with a unique ID, you would easily remember the name. Most people under high masters only have 1 build each mu. I'm confident enough that if i survive any early cheese i can get out of5 rax situation and macro up. (Notice i'm confident about my macro but doesn't mean i will win for sure) 4) i highly encourage you to post the replay of my weird play. 5) anything else you wanna say? If anything your reaction here makes it incredibly suspicious. Your scv was never moving to build a barracks either, so I don't suggest you claim something like that as evidence. I didn't make claims that you were hacking and I said the game I played against you didn't seem suspicious, but rather hushang's replay made me think otherwise. | ||
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PiPiGranDe
Canada70 Posts
On January 08 2013 06:58 oOOoOphidian wrote: If anything your reaction here makes it incredibly suspicious. Your scv was never moving to build a barracks either, so I don't suggest you claim something like that as evidence. I didn't make claims that you were hacking and I said the game I played against you didn't seem suspicious, but rather hushang's replay made me think otherwise. My reaction.. Suspicious? As far as i know i have been acting more than civil here. Trying to clear my name and trying to defend myself when I shouldn't even bother. Try having someone accusing you of mhing and let's see how YOU FEEL. I have responsibilities with my team and the team's reputation is on my hands. If it wasn't for my team, i wouldn't even bother to reply to this. Btw I go cc first? What do you think will be my next building when i'm about to have 150 minerals? Engineering bay? Oh wait... Maybe a late supply depot? Please, use your common sense here. I don't know what league you play or what your level of understanding of the game you have. But i'm OBVIOUSLY building a rax after cc. Anything else? | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
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CRDJGE
17 Posts
Edit: but best part is when someone thinks X is suspicious and opponent must be hacking when there is a good reason why X happens. | ||
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PiPiGranDe
Canada70 Posts
On January 08 2013 07:15 oOOoOphidian wrote: You sent two scvs attacking on the low ground, neither was out to build a barracks and this was before the probe was ever in vision. You might know that if you had fog of war. Re-read what i typed. On January 08 2013 07:19 CRDJGE wrote: There are so many clueless people in this thread who have no idea what proof means. Just because something is suspicious doesnt mean it proves anything. Edit: but best part is when someone thinks X is suspicious and opponent must be hacking when there is a good reason why X happens. Indeed. As a matter of fact, i'm done replying to this thread. | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
On January 07 2013 08:33 cvgHuShang wrote: Hacker name: pipigrande Server: na League: masters Description: Scouts standard 1 gas fast expand with scv. I go 1 robo 4 gate all in. Doesnt scout again, just builds 5 bunkers and doesnt get his starport. http://drop.sc/291907 Maphacking is getting so out of hand... Thank you for your replay. I have analysed the replay, and I find only two instances which are highly suspect of hacking, and a third point which is concluded from the game play. 2:30 sends two SCV's to intercept an incoming probe he does not have vision of 9:46 Look though fog of war to enemy units elevator into his base outside of his vision. He "scouts" this by then sending an SCV to build a depot on the edge of his base near the edge, which SCV is destroyed. His overall build is indicative of either intimate knowledge of the exact incoming attack and game play style, or a production tab hack. His defensive play is exceedingly so, to the point of knowledge of a 2 immortal push must be absolute. His scouting is not existant after his initial SCV scout, which sees nothing indicitive of the opponents later build and attack. My Opinion: Hacking is not 100% conclusive, but there is sufficient evidence to be very suspicious, and I would recommend submitting more replays for analysis. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On January 08 2013 06:52 PiPiGranDe wrote: I'm guessing you are probably below diamond level as you don't see much pass what's 'obvious'. No offence but there is more to it than just what you see with your understanding of the game. 1) i cc first. When do i send my two scvs out? One is for my timing to build my rack and the other one is for scout (in case probe is incoming this scv will defend the other 2 scvs building cc and rax) 2) his timing is WAY delayed for a 4 gate. To any player higher than a low level would know either something is up (when 4 was assumed) or the p just expanded. Naturally, wouldn't it be a smart idea to build a supply at that place for more vision? Which in fact you can see me do but scv got killed (in replay you can see me selecting scv to build depot) 3) i blindly built bunkers i assumed he was going to all-in. When you lose two times in two different occasions to the same guy with a unique ID, you would easily remember the name. Most people under high masters only have 1 build each mu. I'm confident enough that if i survive any early cheese i can get out of5 rax situation and macro up. (Notice i'm confident about my macro but doesn't mean i will win for sure) 4) i highly encourage you to post the replay of my weird play. 5) anything else you wanna say? Would you happen to have the replays of those previous games you are talking about? Would help settle this discussion. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
This guy just seems to be good at hiding his maphack. 2:30 sends two SCV's to intercept an incoming probe he does not have vision of This is so funny, because I bet you he thought it was visible lol | ||
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CRDJGE
17 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:13 EtherealDeath wrote: Would you happen to have the replays of those previous games you are talking about? Would help settle this discussion. What is there to settle? Is there conclussive proof that he hacks? Yes or no. | ||
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