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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 28 2013 23:06 GMT
#3641
Top lane Nunu >>> OP Junglers > Real Top laners > Fair junglers > Support = Mid = ADC
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Solaris.playgu
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden480 Posts
May 28 2013 23:09 GMT
#3642
Jungle >>>> Support > Top >> Adc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mid

I think out of the roughly 1k games I have played 850-900 have been in the jungle, 30-50 toplane, 2-3 mid, 4-6 adc and the rest support. Kind of dumb in retrospect actually ^^
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 28 2013 23:15 GMT
#3643
In other news...

Looks like my talks with TLHQ worked out in the end. We're obviously and rightfully in "Others" but that is no longer toggled off by default.

We also get our own representative link in the "Forum" drop down menu as well.

Cheers all around, score one for the good guys.
Also thanks to Nazgul and TLHQ for not forgetting about our little community.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 28 2013 23:17 GMT
#3644
Need me to go battle R1CH again Neo? ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 23:17:40
May 28 2013 23:17 GMT
#3645
LoL on Forum tool bar OP!

Also for me, I'd say Support >= AD Carry > Jungle > Top >> Mid

I don't think I've played mid properly for like, a year and a half at least.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
May 28 2013 23:19 GMT
#3646
In terms of preference, Mid>Top>Jungle>ADC>Support
In terms of skill, Mid>Support>Jungle>Top>ADC

I'm a pretty good support, and try to keep timers of wards and summoner spells and global ults as well as direct where the team should go at what times. This works pretty well in premade 5's. In solo queue, however.. can't trust the ADC to have common sense so I'd rather not support unless my duo partner is the AD.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
May 28 2013 23:20 GMT
#3647
YAY Neo! our subforum champion!
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
May 28 2013 23:22 GMT
#3648
Glad everything is back to normal. Difficult to lurk when you have to actually take the time to go Sports and Games> LoL. xD

Skill-wise, I suppose I'm Mid > Top >> Support >>> ADC >>>> (several thousand lesser than signs later) jungle. And for clarification, my support is really bad. I need to branch out to more than just mid and top, to be honest....
Call me Sunday
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
May 28 2013 23:23 GMT
#3649
neo honored for teamwork. <3
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35127 Posts
May 28 2013 23:28 GMT
#3650
Huzzah, feast!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 28 2013 23:42 GMT
#3651
On May 29 2013 06:04 Chrispy wrote:
Bout dat Chau...

Didn't he say he wanted jungle because he felt like he couldn't carry as support? Now he's back on support because he couldn't carry in da jungle (among other reasons). I only remember Chauster playing whacky shit like Galio support but I mean I'm sure he can play up to LCS NA standards but Chau ain't no Godlife. Doesn't even possess an inkling of Godlife's powers. I think Chau's probably the most over rated player NA and has been for a long time.

All I remember was Chau said jungle was his worst position.
The main reason Chau was jungler was cuz hotshotgg in jungle was actually worse.
Chau mechanically no godlife or xpecial or anywhere near that world-class support.
But the difference between Chauster and them; with doublelift is. If madlife plays with doublelift; doublelift plays better. If Chauster plays with doublelift; doublelift becomes a better player.
liftlift > tsm
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
May 28 2013 23:42 GMT
#3652
So, role story telling time.

I mained mid for about 200 games when I started the game.
Then I realized jungle was cool, and spammed around 300 jungle games.
After that, I was mad at all those top laners getting fed 1v1 and carrying, so I decided to play it extensively. This went on to about 600 games.
It then dawned on me that AD and supports needed some of my time, because most players sucked at those roles anyway, and playing them properly when nobody calls for them makes a very clear difference. But I didn't spam games playing either, just went with the flow.

At the moment, if I had to chose, based on my personnal skills, I'd say I'm there :
Top >>> AD caster mid > AD > Jungle > Support > AP caster mid > Jayce (seriously, I suck so much with that guy).
The legend of Darien lives on
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
May 28 2013 23:47 GMT
#3653
On May 29 2013 08:05 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 06:52 Arisen wrote:
On May 29 2013 06:22 JonGalt wrote:
On May 29 2013 06:11 Arisen wrote:
On May 29 2013 05:11 Diamond wrote:
On May 29 2013 05:00 Arisen wrote:
On May 29 2013 04:54 Diamond wrote:
On May 29 2013 04:45 Arisen wrote:
So, im starting another account because I'm tired of dealing with my ranked game bug,


What bug?


Im losing 6 or more times the LP per ranked game than I win (usually 1LP per win, 6-25 per loss). I also seem to get a lot of AFK/DCs, etc. I've been told its because LoL thinks my MMR or whatever should be lower so it's trying to get me to where it wants me by making me lose more points than I could possibly gain (I had a friend tell me that he thinks they're putting me on the team with the lower combined MMR as well, but I think it's just a coincidence that I get quite a lot of DCs/AFKs).


That's not a bug, not even close to one.....


Either bug or working as intended, I was in high silver when i stopped playing, now that I've started playing again after a long hiatus, I've worked my way almost down to bronze 3 because of this issue. It's no fun for me as a play much worse players than myself only to keep dropping because LoL thinks my MMR should be lower so i can finally reach some equilibrium then steamroll back up. If it is an intended function, I think it's decidedly unfun.


I don't want to sound like a negative nancy or the broken record that is the TL attitude of ignore LP but...

1) Do you think that your "long hiatus" has anything to do with losing now?

OR

2) Ignore LP because it means nothing and just focus on improving.

And if you don't like any of those, how about blame ELO/MMR decay due to inactivity and just wait it out because it will fix itself.

Starting a new account for the sole purpose of getting into ranked again seems like a waste of runes, champs, IP, RP, and hard work! If you just want a smurf for playing with friends, then that's different.

Or if you want to ignore this and go back to 2002 and make a new BWLoL account because it doesn't show your "true" skill, then have fun

Oh em gee, I am blowin' up my post count tonight.


1) I'm positive my "long Hiatus" has nothing to do with me losing now. I had played dota during my haitus, my mechanics are better than ever. The only thing i have to improve is my game knowledge. I'm playing support mostly, I always end up positive during my games, i place a ton of wards. I counter ward. People either go afk or go off 1v5 and die over and over and feed people.

2) My league keeps dropping, so I'm playing worse and worse players. It's not fun to play versus worse players. Even if I start winning now, i have to win 100 games right now to up a division (1 LP a win). I'm getting majorly frustrated playing the games I am now, hence I'm starting another account. Now if we could PLEASE get to my original question, that would be great :/


No one that I have seen is trying to flame you. We are all telling you the truth is all. LP means nothing, and is just for show, your MMR/ELO is all that matters and it's really low. Also when your MMR and LP even out the gains/losses will be normalized. So once that hits you will go from +1/-20 or w/e, to normal point gains/losses. So you would NOT need 100 wins, probably after 10 or so in a row you would see it normalize out.

Example: When I got into Silver 1 I went from +20/-20~ on my games to +4/-10. After what seemed like forever (one month or so), I started getting better at the game and winning a lot. My MMR actually ended up getting way higher than my LP, and it went to +25/-6~ until it promoted me to Gold V.

One thing I do agree with is the system is very frustrating in that aspect. I was getting so upset being stuck around 0 LP, but all of a sudden when the time was right the system recognized it, and basically forced me to be promoted. There needs to be some more transparency or LoL needs to be more harsh with demotions. I think it would be a lot less frustrating if it just demoted you to the right spot so you can get normal LP gains again.

Edit: For what it's worth, I do fully understand your frustration as a friend of mine is experiencing the same thing atm. I wrote an tweet to RiotLyte about it, as I see A LOT of frustration with this from players. Hope Riot does something to make it more clear and less frustrating.

If only Riot used a system that used just one number to show your actual rating. A number that you could physically see. A number that increased and decreased with wins and losses.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 28 2013 23:49 GMT
#3654
On May 29 2013 08:47 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 08:05 Diamond wrote:
On May 29 2013 06:52 Arisen wrote:
On May 29 2013 06:22 JonGalt wrote:
On May 29 2013 06:11 Arisen wrote:
On May 29 2013 05:11 Diamond wrote:
On May 29 2013 05:00 Arisen wrote:
On May 29 2013 04:54 Diamond wrote:
On May 29 2013 04:45 Arisen wrote:
So, im starting another account because I'm tired of dealing with my ranked game bug,


What bug?


Im losing 6 or more times the LP per ranked game than I win (usually 1LP per win, 6-25 per loss). I also seem to get a lot of AFK/DCs, etc. I've been told its because LoL thinks my MMR or whatever should be lower so it's trying to get me to where it wants me by making me lose more points than I could possibly gain (I had a friend tell me that he thinks they're putting me on the team with the lower combined MMR as well, but I think it's just a coincidence that I get quite a lot of DCs/AFKs).


That's not a bug, not even close to one.....


Either bug or working as intended, I was in high silver when i stopped playing, now that I've started playing again after a long hiatus, I've worked my way almost down to bronze 3 because of this issue. It's no fun for me as a play much worse players than myself only to keep dropping because LoL thinks my MMR should be lower so i can finally reach some equilibrium then steamroll back up. If it is an intended function, I think it's decidedly unfun.


I don't want to sound like a negative nancy or the broken record that is the TL attitude of ignore LP but...

1) Do you think that your "long hiatus" has anything to do with losing now?

OR

2) Ignore LP because it means nothing and just focus on improving.

And if you don't like any of those, how about blame ELO/MMR decay due to inactivity and just wait it out because it will fix itself.

Starting a new account for the sole purpose of getting into ranked again seems like a waste of runes, champs, IP, RP, and hard work! If you just want a smurf for playing with friends, then that's different.

Or if you want to ignore this and go back to 2002 and make a new BWLoL account because it doesn't show your "true" skill, then have fun

Oh em gee, I am blowin' up my post count tonight.


1) I'm positive my "long Hiatus" has nothing to do with me losing now. I had played dota during my haitus, my mechanics are better than ever. The only thing i have to improve is my game knowledge. I'm playing support mostly, I always end up positive during my games, i place a ton of wards. I counter ward. People either go afk or go off 1v5 and die over and over and feed people.

2) My league keeps dropping, so I'm playing worse and worse players. It's not fun to play versus worse players. Even if I start winning now, i have to win 100 games right now to up a division (1 LP a win). I'm getting majorly frustrated playing the games I am now, hence I'm starting another account. Now if we could PLEASE get to my original question, that would be great :/


No one that I have seen is trying to flame you. We are all telling you the truth is all. LP means nothing, and is just for show, your MMR/ELO is all that matters and it's really low. Also when your MMR and LP even out the gains/losses will be normalized. So once that hits you will go from +1/-20 or w/e, to normal point gains/losses. So you would NOT need 100 wins, probably after 10 or so in a row you would see it normalize out.

Example: When I got into Silver 1 I went from +20/-20~ on my games to +4/-10. After what seemed like forever (one month or so), I started getting better at the game and winning a lot. My MMR actually ended up getting way higher than my LP, and it went to +25/-6~ until it promoted me to Gold V.

One thing I do agree with is the system is very frustrating in that aspect. I was getting so upset being stuck around 0 LP, but all of a sudden when the time was right the system recognized it, and basically forced me to be promoted. There needs to be some more transparency or LoL needs to be more harsh with demotions. I think it would be a lot less frustrating if it just demoted you to the right spot so you can get normal LP gains again.

Edit: For what it's worth, I do fully understand your frustration as a friend of mine is experiencing the same thing atm. I wrote an tweet to RiotLyte about it, as I see A LOT of frustration with this from players. Hope Riot does something to make it more clear and less frustrating.

If only Riot used a system that used just one number to show your actual rating. A number that you could physically see. A number that increased and decreased with wins and losses.


It.. it makes so much sense!
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 23:50:24
May 28 2013 23:50 GMT
#3655
Neo.

That is total fuckin boss.

We ask to not be censored and you get us put in the forum bar front n center.

I need your persuasive ways for my wife.
Useless wet fish.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
May 28 2013 23:51 GMT
#3656
On May 29 2013 08:42 mr_tolkien wrote:
So, role story telling time.

I mained mid for about 200 games when I started the game.
Then I realized jungle was cool, and spammed around 300 jungle games.
After that, I was mad at all those top laners getting fed 1v1 and carrying, so I decided to play it extensively. This went on to about 600 games.
It then dawned on me that AD and supports needed some of my time, because most players sucked at those roles anyway, and playing them properly when nobody calls for them makes a very clear difference. But I didn't spam games playing either, just went with the flow.

At the moment, if I had to chose, based on my personnal skills, I'd say I'm there :
Top >>> AD caster mid > AD > Jungle > Support > AP caster mid > Jayce (seriously, I suck so much with that guy).


Morgana>Support>Jungle>Mid=Top=AD
Freeeeeeedom
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
May 28 2013 23:53 GMT
#3657
On May 29 2013 08:15 NeoIllusions wrote:
In other news...

Looks like my talks with TLHQ worked out in the end. We're obviously and rightfully in "Others" but that is no longer toggled off by default.

We also get our own representative link in the "Forum" drop down menu as well.

Cheers all around, score one for the good guys.
Also thanks to Nazgul and TLHQ for not forgetting about our little community.

I learned that I miss having League on my sidebar without even reading or playing it. ;;
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 28 2013 23:54 GMT
#3658
On May 29 2013 08:15 NeoIllusions wrote:
In other news...

Looks like my talks with TLHQ worked out in the end. We're obviously and rightfully in "Others" but that is no longer toggled off by default.

We also get our own representative link in the "Forum" drop down menu as well.

Cheers all around, score one for the good guys.
Also thanks to Nazgul and TLHQ for not forgetting about our little community.

big news for TL LoL

now we need you to stream games with TLers from NA server.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
May 28 2013 23:56 GMT
#3659
On May 29 2013 07:35 zodde wrote:
People always want to blame something else than their own ability to play the game. Even IdrA keeps saying that his opponents make "stupid" decision, but in reality any decision that wins you games is a good decision.

That is absolutely not true
There can be a decision that will win you the game 25% of the time and another one that will win you the game 75% of the time, the former option is always a bad choice even if it wins you a game. The easiest example you could find is some risky lvl1 invades, which will win you some games, but lose a lot more than they win.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 28 2013 23:57 GMT
#3660
Can someone explain, why sometimes the turret switches agro, even though you stand in range? I was trying to dive with my top laner, tanked the turret without leaving the radius, but it somehow switched agro to him, and he died lol.
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