• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:58
CET 17:58
KST 01:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1816Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises2Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship WardiTV Mondays $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
I would like to say something about StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ (UMS) SWITCHEROO *New* /Destination Edit/ What monitor do you use for playing Remastered? BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET SLON Grand Finals – Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mechabellum
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI 12 Days of Starcraft
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Ghostwriting Services for Authors and Businesses The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1827 users

Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1717

Forum Index > SC2 General
54608 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 1715 1716 1717 1718 1719 2731 Next
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
October 26 2011 04:56 GMT
#34321
On October 26 2011 13:54 woody60707 wrote:
Can someone explain this to me, because I hear this alot... Why do people who play this game think phoenix counter mass muta???

because if phoenix are microed correctly they rip through mutas
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
October 26 2011 04:59 GMT
#34322
On October 26 2011 13:56 unit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 13:54 woody60707 wrote:
Can someone explain this to me, because I hear this alot... Why do people who play this game think phoenix counter mass muta???

because if phoenix are microed correctly they rip through mutas


They have more range and can shoot / move at the same time.

If they are controlled well, they are extremely cost effective vs. mass muta.
Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
October 26 2011 04:59 GMT
#34323
On October 26 2011 13:54 woody60707 wrote:
Can someone explain this to me, because I hear this alot... Why do people who play this game think phoenix counter mass muta???


Because cost for cost if you have your phoenix spread out enough that you don't get glaive worms bouncing between all your units, phoenix rip mutalisks apart.
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
October 26 2011 04:59 GMT
#34324
On October 26 2011 13:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Make Bonnell a pillar

I don't know for a pillar but he do a great job and his personality fit with those guys
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
sunman1g
Profile Joined May 2011
United States334 Posts
October 26 2011 05:00 GMT
#34325
the problem with that is.. once u done, you end up with dozens of phoenix who are useless against a tech switch from zerg, so they are not viable in large numbers and that's why they are never gonna be the counter to mass mass mutas, cause no toss would go mass phoenix to counter it.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
October 26 2011 05:00 GMT
#34326
On October 26 2011 13:56 unit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 13:54 woody60707 wrote:
Can someone explain this to me, because I hear this alot... Why do people who play this game think phoenix counter mass muta???

because if phoenix are microed correctly they rip through mutas

in a real game, it's not time-effective to micro phoenixes in that way against mass mutas. it only works for small numbers and when nothing else is going on
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 26 2011 05:02 GMT
#34327
Tyler sure is in bossmode today. Love how enthusiastic he is about the new units/game design.
Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
October 26 2011 05:03 GMT
#34328
On October 26 2011 13:56 unit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 13:54 woody60707 wrote:
Can someone explain this to me, because I hear this alot... Why do people who play this game think phoenix counter mass muta???

because if phoenix are microed correctly they rip through mutas

Give me a game where that has happened. You would need a bot to 'rip' through mutas with pheonixes
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
October 26 2011 05:03 GMT
#34329
On October 26 2011 13:56 dtz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 13:54 woody60707 wrote:
Can someone explain this to me, because I hear this alot... Why do people who play this game think phoenix counter mass muta???


I think because it does in small numbers. Phoenix absolutely destroys mutas in small numbers. Once the mutas hit a critical mass , it doesnt though. I don't think a lot of people argues that phoenixes loses to mass mutas.


Did you see the chat blow up with angry caplock "HELLO PHOENIX" when they said toss doesn't have a good AA.

I agree with you no top level people say that. But the people i talk to and play with (non pros) say that me when I QQ about the mass muta that kill me.
BreakfastTea
Profile Joined May 2011
United States184 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 05:06:00
October 26 2011 05:05 GMT
#34330
On October 26 2011 13:43 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 13:39 BreakfastTea wrote:
Not normally one to complain about the number of protoss on SotG, but when it comes to a protoss being objective about a unit as conceptually powerful as the replicator, it's hard not to shake your head a bit.


Obviously you don't play Protoss nor care about Protoss if you can't see what is wrong with the Replifail


Let everyone on this forum clap for your reading comprehension and critical thinking, you fucking idiot. The entire point of my post was that the replicator is a flawed unit. You just dissed me while AGREEING with my position. Yay for you.

User was warned for this post
Don't take me seriously, I'm no Pro. Neither are you.
Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
October 26 2011 05:06 GMT
#34331
As a terran player, I certainly find the carrier much more interesting than the tempest. Buff the carrier instead of replacing it. Try changing the phoenix a little?
GET SM4SHED
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 05:08:59
October 26 2011 05:08 GMT
#34332
You can only make one of the Thor units in HOTS.

The Conversation they had kind of implied some of them didn't know that! yet!
Never GG MKP | IdrA
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
October 26 2011 05:10 GMT
#34333
I used to love the hellbringer/loki in mechwarrior.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45182 Posts
October 26 2011 05:14 GMT
#34334
Destiny frickin hilarious...

Motherthors and Battle Hellion Transformation BM ^^
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GeneralissimoNero
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States236 Posts
October 26 2011 05:16 GMT
#34335
Its a WATERBAT. The new hellion is a waterbat.
I will cheer for a Slayers Terran over any other player.
Ghoststrikes
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1356 Posts
October 26 2011 05:19 GMT
#34336
So I heard shredders do 20 DPS/second.

That is a measure of acceleration.

Build them early and they one shot everything later in the game
Never say die
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
October 26 2011 05:19 GMT
#34337
Destiny should be a host of sotg too. He's amazing.
S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
October 26 2011 05:21 GMT
#34338
I'm not saying that the Shredder doesn't look too powerful in the current alpha stages, but it only has a 6 second time.

So it would be very difficult to prevent ling runbys unless timed very well.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3092 Posts
October 26 2011 05:22 GMT
#34339
ahahahaahha I'm crying at the DB impression.
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
October 26 2011 05:24 GMT
#34340
geoff is sooo fucking funny omg <333
d=(^_^)z
Prev 1 1715 1716 1717 1718 1719 2731 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Platinum Heroes Events
12:00
PSC2L Finals - Playoffs
Nicoract vs Creator
RotterdaM627
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 627
SKillous 156
MindelVK 32
DivinesiaTV 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 41578
GuemChi 1542
Shuttle 1416
EffOrt 813
Stork 653
Horang2 471
Jaedong 414
Soma 348
ggaemo 306
Sharp 270
[ Show more ]
Snow 267
hero 172
Barracks 70
sorry 49
Aegong 41
Rock 31
JYJ 22
yabsab 20
ajuk12(nOOB) 15
GoRush 10
Shine 7
Dota 2
qojqva3901
syndereN1055
febbydoto19
LuMiX1
League of Legends
C9.Mang0483
Counter-Strike
chrisJcsgo34
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor198
Liquid`Hasu1
Other Games
Grubby5893
Gorgc3191
FrodaN2738
B2W.Neo1467
hiko616
DeMusliM608
Hui .283
NarutO 3
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 54
• naamasc245
• mYiSmile139
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 17
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV854
Upcoming Events
OSC
20h 2m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 10h
OSC
1d 19h
IPSL
1d 21h
Dewalt vs Bonyth
OSC
2 days
OSC
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Patches Events
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-Race Season 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.