Newbie Mini Mafia XLVIII - Page 16

On September 28 2013 16:32 heavenz wrote:
if he were town he wouldn't have such issues answering simle questions and didn't have to come it with excuses "was joke soso, low battery can't post, plx no kill me, i post moar i swears"

Zargan, that you indirectly imply that I mistook his word for what it was and not a silly joke on purpose makes you scummy.

onlywounderboy is certainly Mafia

btw I was roleblocked

In what order are the nightactions processed? First town or first mafia?

On September 29 2013 02:52 heavenz wrote:
12 player = 9 town- 2 death - 2 afk - 1 not participating = 4

so it's 4 to 3 already, I honestly don't see much point in this game.

onlywounderboy is mafia, I'll vote him tomorow

On September 28 2013 07:41 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'll get back to my reads in another post shortly but I want to look more into why someone wanted bereft out of the game.

Which questions do we need to ask to read into it more?

He voted jayte rather early and stuck with the vote. This is not a very good tell for anything in my opinion. He criticized myself a bit, and balla very harshly. Is this trying to be a clever ruse to try and start a bandwagon against balla? I'll look at it more as I go through the filters.

On September 28 2013 07:48 Balla24 wrote:


I wouldn't call my switch sudden. I started off that morning describing why I thought MLuneth was suspicious. During the voting process, we were at a point in time where people were saying that Blurry, xIvanJ and Jayte were going to get modkilled for sure. I was agreeing with Bajablood on this post:



However not on the last sentence obviously since I ended up voting him. At the time of my EBWOP with the vote (i had meant to vote in my previous post already) I hadn't even seen the post that you quoted and was simply posting what was going through my head. In the end, I decided to vote him because I thought he was scummy (for the reasons I had opened the morning with), nobody else appeared scummy and the inactives were going to get modkilled. Like I said, it probably would have been better to go for a no-lynch (not probably, for sure would have been better) but I chalk that up to inexperience.

On September 28 2013 07:57 Zaragon wrote:

What was my motivation as scum to swap my vote? It doesn't make sense. I could've NKed MLuneth if I had been scum and role-read him. I play with incomplete information as town, and made a mistake (again, largely because these players didn't even show up to play the game).

Your post, again, is something oddly timed right as night phase was ending, but I'm not sure yet what else to read into it. I'd welcome input on both you and myself.

On September 28 2013 08:25 JonnyLaw wrote:
All of this combined with his very timely post before we lynched MLuneth make me very suspicious. Note that was posted two minutes before the deadline. He had three other posts in the thirty minutes prior so clearly he was around at the lynch deadline and only chose to express his opinion once it was too late and did not elaborate as to why he felt that way.



Oh yeah, that onlywonderboy vote was odd when clearly he was not going to be lynched. There was time to jump on the blurry bandwagon easily. This may have swayed people to stay on blurry instead of going to MLuneth. It just doesn't add up.

On September 28 2013 08:26 Zaragon wrote:
I'm definitely not saying it's towny for people to swap the votes, by the way, it can be scummy if either Stormtemplar or Blurry is scum and someone wanted to save them. Scum wouldn't care much about swinging the vote otherwise or they would just divide themselves not to look suspect.

On September 28 2013 08:38 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'm still just reading stormtemplar oddly by the way. His little write up claims Zaragon and bereft as pro-town which not a lot of people have been arguing yet.

He gives me a hard time, basically repeating what "pro town zaragon" said a couple posts earlier. This is fair enough since I tried to have him lynched.

Then he tries to separate himself from playerboy.

And for the rest he essentially says nothing or repeats what other have said in a non-accusatory manner. I just think he wants to fly under the radar and get attention away from the ties he had to playerboy and anything to do with bereft. A "he's town I wouldn't dislike him!" type of post.

On September 28 2013 09:12 Zaragon wrote:
This is a good case, you substantiated the oddity from before with a lot more meat that I missed.

I also noticed in his filter that he pointedly asks people to elaborate on town reads, and pressures them for not doing so. How does that help town? It puts targets on people's backs. "I'm leaning/feeling town" is good enough to say you currently like someone's posting/opinions/motivations/emotions, and giving more is often actually not very good for town. Pressuring people about town reads, I don't see how that helps town. Someone having too strong town reads--playerboy on Stormtemplar based on little, but carefully pushed little--is much more of a scum tell. Sign of knowing this person is town, or protecting a scum team mate.

My read on you JonnyLaw is significantly less scummy now, and playerboy significantly more.

On September 28 2013 09:25 Blurry wrote:
Can I be replaced. I'm just swamped with work. No way I can actively contribute to this game.

I will say, going forward, you guys should look at those who switched their vote from me to myluneth. This is a pretty scummy bandwagon switch so it may be a solid yield to follow.

Apart from that, look at who Bereft was accusing. This may be a null lead because he may have just been the best contributer thus far but it may be something to go off of.

My gut feeling is at least 2 of the scum were voting for either me or myluneth because we were easy bandwagon targets. I think its weird that Zara claimed he was voting to pressure me to say something. Thats weird play and I don't necessarily agree with that.

I'm sorry I couldn't be a bigger help but RL being what it is, sometimes it just happens. I have to go because I'm setting up to dj a party but I'll check back in a bit to see if I get replaced or not.

On September 28 2013 10:54 stormtemplar wrote:
I think playerboy is scum (That last big post was awful),

On September 28 2013 13:41 stormtemplar wrote:
Playerboy has been actively useless. The main two people he's called out have been zaragon and bereft, which is just odd. As I pointed out in my analysis, I'm really weirded out by the fact that he read me as stronger town then zaragon or bereft. As glad as I am to have someone coming to my defense, I just find it doubtful that someone could look at day one from and town perspective and hold that view. I almost wonder if he's trying to make me look guilty by association, or get town cred by defending me. I gotta say, it sounds ideal for him as mafia for him to unsuccessfully defend me, I flip town and he gets cred and Jonnylaw looks like scum for attacking me so much.

On September 28 2013 15:43 Zaragon wrote:
At the moment I like playerboy most for scum. Twice now the timing of his posts, end day and end night, has really felt scummy, as if he knows what to do to set himself up for the following phase. Certainty that indicates information advantage of scum, to me. I'm assuming scum would come up with a case to discredit me for the coming day since they were betting on Bereft, and it was a long and constructed one that could be for that purpose. He just missed the little detail that I was the first interested in Blurry as well as MLuneth and thus have nothing to gain from the whole swing vote for myself if I were scum, or any potential scum linked to me. Which ought to be a pretty massive detail if he were actually town making the case. Not so obvious from the scum perspective.

I need to get back to sleep, but it will be interesting to see opinions on this. Looking at other options tomorrow (including the real possibility of scum lurkers just sitting the game out, and different swing vote possibilities).

On September 29 2013 04:14 Zaragon wrote:


That's just plain mafia or throwing the game as town. Focus please. Make a case on onlywonderboy, and refute the playerboy case then.

The way things are looking right now I feel our best chance is playerboy as scum, and making a plan to lynch Jayte/Blurry after. Hope that the inactives are scoured from the game by mods, and that at least one is scum.

But this could in essence become LYLO already, you are right, so we better hit scum. If you have a certain thing on onlywonderboy, great, make us see it too.

I'm sorry for having a life and only being able to post 2 minutes before the deadline, I didn't f5 the page like my life depended on it because I was playing a game with my friends - when I came back it was almost time.

On September 29 2013 09:29 JonnyLaw wrote:
Yo, Zaragon could be scum playing better than you. This aggressive posting does not help our cause at all.

I said what I thought and you got so defensive about it for no reason. Plenty of people here called me out in earlier posts as well.



When you posted three times in that 30 minute time span.


##vote playerboy345

We're backed into a corner where we have 1-2 days to get a vote right. You're making my gamble easier.

The Bereft kill is weird in my opinion, why not go for heavenz/Zaragon who have been way more pro-town with their posts so far? I'd say those two are way bigger threats to mafia (unless they happen to be mafia).

Your motivation to swap your vote as scum? You thought that you could get MLuneth lynched and that Blurry was likely to get modkilled, if that were the case you could have easily switched to MLuneth in order to maximize your kills. Even if Blurry wasn't going to get modkilled - he seems completely inactive so it would be beneficial for scum to keep him around compared to MLuneth whom you admitted to have read as a vigi.

I don't see how posting at the end of a phase can be considered scummy. I voiced my opinion on MLuneth before my last post that phase and the post at night 1 took me ages to write. I had a shitton of tabs open, rereading stuff for ages to make sure and getting confused the whole fucking time due to the amount of text that I had to absorb, it ended up being done close to the deadline.

Why are you pushing for a Jayte/Blurry lynch? Jayte is inactive and Blurry asked to be replaced. How does lynching these two help town? It gives us no information and puts pressure on noone. Very scummy in my opinion.

On September 29 2013 04:24 onlywonderboy wrote:
EBWOP wrong thread oops

On September 29 2013 05:00 onlywonderboy wrote:
Alright, heavenz calling me out with no facts leads me to believe he is scum. Seems like he's soft role calling Town Cop when he isn't one. His posts just come off as "I have insider information, trust me." With the format of the game we may not even have a Town Cop. If he's going to post that he is certain someone is scum he needs to provide his reasoning for why upfront.