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Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 18:58 GMT
#341
I'm starting to lean BajaBlood/onlywonderboy/????? for now. Bereft reads pretty early. Suspicious timings in posts, pretty random voting pattern that could mean no scum was a target, or Stormtemplar could fit as third.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
September 29 2013 19:01 GMT
#342
Votecount!

playerboy345 (1): stormtemplar
onlywonderboy (1): playerboy345

Not voting (9): Blurry, heavenz, JonnyLaw, onlywonderboy, Zaragon, Balla24, xIvanJ, Jayte, BajaBlood

Currently, playerboy345 is set to be lynched. The deadline is in .
Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread here.

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
September 29 2013 19:01 GMT
#343
Ugh, Heavenz you are confusing the shit out of me...
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 29 2013 19:07 GMT
#344
if we lynch onlywounderboy it has the advantage that it would clear playboy, the otherway around it wouldn't yield much.
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 29 2013 19:07 GMT
#345
edit: it has the possiblity that it could clear* sorry.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 19:22 GMT
#346
onlywonderboy, do you have a defense?

At this point, the most dangerous possibilities for me are heavenz using lurker factor to bring a scum win, possibly in conjunction with Playerboy. But both of them are contributing and reading town in many ways. A more subdued scum team is more likely to me by now.

Tons of possibilities for lurker combinations but we have to disregard those I think. We get a lot of information tonight with an active target. Hopefully modkills sweep up foil targets and maybe even a scum or two.

Jayte voted last night and Blurry did not, so for tomorrow depending on the landscape--good scum reads first obviously--prioritize a Jayte lynch if it comes down to a lurker. Assuming he will be modkilled last. Frustrating to depend on modkills but we have to.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
September 29 2013 19:32 GMT
#347
On September 30 2013 04:22 Zaragon wrote:
onlywonderboy, do you have a defense?

At this point, the most dangerous possibilities for me are heavenz using lurker factor to bring a scum win, possibly in conjunction with Playerboy. But both of them are contributing and reading town in many ways. A more subdued scum team is more likely to me by now.

Tons of possibilities for lurker combinations but we have to disregard those I think. We get a lot of information tonight with an active target. Hopefully modkills sweep up foil targets and maybe even a scum or two.

Jayte voted last night and Blurry did not, so for tomorrow depending on the landscape--good scum reads first obviously--prioritize a Jayte lynch if it comes down to a lurker. Assuming he will be modkilled last. Frustrating to depend on modkills but we have to.


Jayte did not vote last night.

I'm gonna put my vote on onlywonderboy (##vote: onlywonderboy), he needs to defend himself. If there is no defense in an hour or so I will remove for the time being and reconsider. I don't want to make the same mistake as last day so I'm going to be here the entire time.

Heavenz to me right now is playing super dangerously both as town and as scum (sk or mafia). He's flip flopping a hell of a lot, claimed to be roleblocked (which to me signifies that he has a role) and is going after people with little evidence. He seems to be frustrated with the game. This could mean that he is mafia and has afk teammates which would fucking suck.

Please people, if you are under suspicion defend yourself! If you are accusing people bring up why you think so. If you don't and you are town, then the game is lost. So far the only one who has defended himself is actually just playerboy, which is hilarious and confusing.. come on guys.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 29 2013 19:34 GMT
#348
I've been trying to defend myself all game long and it's been cited as one of the major reasons I've been called out as a scum. I don't have much to say now. I'm trying, but everything I say just gets twisted (which is a big part of the game). I haven't been calling people out because hardly anyone has done anything to show their true colors, I'm just working on little pieces of info like everyone else. I think you guys are just confusing scum reads with noob reads. I'm pretty sure heavenz is mafia though. Seems certain I'm mafia and never gave any good reasoning for it. If I end up getting lynched when I'm revealed to be town it will at least put pressure on heavenz and playerboy since they are so convinced I'm scum.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 29 2013 19:34 GMT
#349
Not Voting: Not voting (4): Blurry, xIvanJ, Jayte, MLuneth

he didn't vote either bro

Even though playboys defences seem to be a bit over top, but perhaps he just likes to talk about himself. Either way, why I belive that he's town is his strong urge to lynch onlywounderboy from day1 on. Onlywounderboy was a more valid choice to lynch then than I realized. Given all that, I think it's a town attribute to try to still kill that target since he didn't improve any further. Ofcourse the impinion on him varies with the outcome of the lynch.

I don't see you suggesting anything better right now.
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 19:45 GMT
#350
Jayte did not vote last night.


My mistake, too stressed.

On September 30 2013 04:34 onlywonderboy wrote:
I've been trying to defend myself all game long and it's been cited as one of the major reasons I've been called out as a scum. I don't have much to say now. I'm trying, but everything I say just gets twisted (which is a big part of the game). I haven't been calling people out because hardly anyone has done anything to show their true colors, I'm just working on little pieces of info like everyone else. I think you guys are just confusing scum reads with noob reads. I'm pretty sure heavenz is mafia though. Seems certain I'm mafia and never gave any good reasoning for it. If I end up getting lynched when I'm revealed to be town it will at least put pressure on heavenz and playerboy since they are so convinced I'm scum.



Defense is not a problem at all; you should vehemently defend yourself and explain why it's a bad choice, give reads on people you suspect and why.

Only saying who to suspect if you die isn't helping. Anything more on heavenz or Playerboy? Who else do you suspect and why?

What is your read on Stormtemplar at the moment?

You write posts that show a lot of thinking without much reasoning surrounding scum reads. It's not impossible that it's a newbie tell, but I'm starting to get a feeling that it's a "I know no one I would want lynched is actually mafia" thing.

Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 19:49 GMT
#351
I want to make a note that Balla is effectively under the radar. I have nothing on him as scum for today, but he hasn't made a great effort to substantiate any case even if he's given opinions and reads.
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 29 2013 20:01 GMT
#352
##vote onlywounderboy
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 20:32 GMT
#353
##Vote onlywonderboy

I see a good case here, plus it solves a town fight and gives lead to an under-the-radar scum team.

Unless I've missed something on playerboy or something new turns up, this is my vote.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 29 2013 20:32 GMT
#354
I'm sticking with my guns on this one, ##vote heavenz. He went from analyzing me as a strong town read to certainly mafia without ever clearly explaining why he felt that way. Just seems super scummy especially since people asked for an explanation multiple times and he never gave one.

@Zaragon I think I'm just bad at picking out scrum reads but I'm trying :/ I'm suspicious of playerboy for most of the reasons people have post in the last couple pages (nothing new to add there so no use spamming that). I'm leaning less scum on Stormtemplar at the moment. Was suspicious at first, but honestly his posts don't really make it seem like he's going out of the way to be scummy. Could just be him laying low, but I think there has been more suspicious activity in the tread.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 20:43 GMT
#355
Heavenz, can you outline how you suddenly shifted your read on onlywonderboy from strong town to certainly mafia? Your explanation wasn't bad in itself, but "strong town" and "certainly mafia" are indeed very conflicting reads.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
September 29 2013 20:45 GMT
#356
Hey guys, the more I think about the more I feel like we're getting MLuneth2.0 by lynching onlywonderboy. I've been going over it my head and rereading his logs. He could be mafia but that's just not the feeling I'm getting.

heavenz and playerboy seem much scummier in their posting. We're going lynch onlywonderboy for lack of content in a noob game? I dunno, give me some more reasons than that and I'm more than happy to hop aboard the lynch train.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
September 29 2013 21:01 GMT
#357
Votecount!

onlywonderboy (4): playerboy345, Balla24, heavenz, Zaragon
playerboy345 (1): stormtemplar
heavenz (1): onlywonderboy

Not voting (5): Blurry, JonnyLaw, xIvanJ, Jayte, BajaBlood


Currently, onlywonderboy is set to be lynched. The deadline is in .
Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread here.


Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 29 2013 21:02 GMT
#358
I'm trying to see if heavenz and playerboy can be scum, lots of things lean against them, but lots of little details speak for them as well. heavenz roleblock, and frustration with lurkers after phase; sure he could fake this as scum, I just wouldn't expect him to.

playerboy has done a lot of scummy things and it's possible he's playing dumb when he's called out about it, but he's always been enthusiastic and seemingly curious to solve the game. After he constructed his huge case based on me starting a vote swap as scum, obviously I have the reaction that "he calls me scum, he must be scum", but I don't want that to cloud my judgment. Still, he did it at just the timing I imagine he would want to set up as scum...

I'm really not sure about onlywonderboy, it's 50/50 for me as is playerboy, heavenz similar. I'm hoping for the best town situation considering our lurker situation, though, and I would hate it if we had active town on town kills and die that way

Depends on heavenz, onlywonderboy and playerboy's input now.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
September 29 2013 21:18 GMT
#359
Yeah, the players who signed up and didn't show up put us in a rough a rough spot. Without that we can lynch onlywonderboy or heavenz and go from there.

I'm going to keep digging and see what I come up with here.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
September 29 2013 21:19 GMT
#360
On September 30 2013 05:45 JonnyLaw wrote:
Hey guys, the more I think about the more I feel like we're getting MLuneth2.0 by lynching onlywonderboy. I've been going over it my head and rereading his logs. He could be mafia but that's just not the feeling I'm getting.

heavenz and playerboy seem much scummier in their posting. We're going lynch onlywonderboy for lack of content in a noob game? I dunno, give me some more reasons than that and I'm more than happy to hop aboard the lynch train.


I'm gonna have to agree with you here, ##unvote. His defense, is again lackluster, the number of slip ups is considerate but he hasn't been changing up his play and I can't really pinpoint anything specific besides the Blurry vote on day 1 and even the most town people messed up their voting day 1.

Like I said previously, Heavenz is playing very dangerously. His accusations are completely baseless and he continues to do so. Heavenz will be my end day vote unless something changes.
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