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United States136 Posts
On March 03 2011 02:54 Trentelshark wrote: Question on the Infestor Fungal Change since I don't play on PTR. Being a missle based attack, if I get a Raven, does a Raven's PDD blast it down? PDD doesn't work against spells. | ||
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Trentelshark
Canada385 Posts
K wasn't sure because they called it a missle attack, and PDD stops missle attacks whether it's an ability or not  . Thanks. | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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Protein
United States132 Posts
On March 02 2011 08:19 NicolBolas wrote: In which case Blizzard's work is done. See, I get the feeling that Blizzard puts one red herring change into every PTR, just so that the community spends its time complaining about that and not complaining about the other things. Then when they take it out, they can say, "See? We're listening to the fans!" Haha, I get that feeling too. It'll never go through... Am I the only one bothered by the fact that BCs are now much much better than Carriers? Why is no one talking about the buff that carriers so obviously need? | ||
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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
On March 02 2011 02:25 ixi.genocide wrote: Almost 110% positive that B-lords is a longer tech path by a fair margin.... maybe in the pvt MU it is the longest techtree in the game. Well yeah, it takes longer to get broodlords, and maybe just as long to get mothership, but those are pretty late game. Protoss needs something for mid game. The zerg army is way stronger than the protoss army midgame unless P has either Collossi or Templar with storm. Storm already sucks in comparison to Collossi because it comes out just as fast, you can build an obs on the way, and even though you need an upgrade for it as well, its still useful in case of a surprise attack. Templar with storm take about the same time as a collosus with range. Only they will probably only be able to storm once each and storm already isn't a good choice because if the zerg goes roaches(which they always do) then storms suck. Even if you do kill the first wave, the next wave will kill you. Not to mention you pretty much HAVE to get a robo in between. Now without the amulet, i see no reason to get templar vs zerg, except maybe in a very very lategame situation, where i already have many collossi. But honestly, templar vs zerg has never been very good since they've started getting roaches, and now they're even worse. Everyone was using Collossi and rarely if ever have i seen someone go templars instead. IMO they shouldve nerfed the Collossi and left the ht alone. If hts are so good, why doesn't every pro use it in every game? | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
I think the mothership change is a joke, and I say that as a zerg player. If you teched to that unit, you were making large sacrifices to other compositional elements of your army. It should be a fearsome unit. The vortex was not imbalanced in any way. As a proud Terran hater, I love the small but significant nerfs they are receiving. <3 3k masters for reference. | ||
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jirpy
United States32 Posts
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orotoss
United States298 Posts
Mothership - Units leaving the Mothership's Vortex are now un-targetable and immune to damage for 1.5 seconds. Can they still attack during these 1.5 seconds? | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 03 2011 05:26 IPA wrote: I'm excited about the infestor change. I understand it changes the nature and purpose of the unit; but to be honest, I'd rather have the damage than the positional advantage of a longer "freeze". The idea of decimating a bio ball (even with medivac support) with 3 infestors sounds so appealing to me. I think the mothership change is a joke, and I say that as a zerg player. If you teched to that unit, you were making large sacrifices to other compositional elements of your army. It should be a fearsome unit. The vortex was not imbalanced in any way. As a proud Terran hater, I love the small but significant nerfs they are receiving. <3 3k masters for reference. and you are the type of zerg that i dislike very much because you think dps is more important than utility. :/ just mass hydras then instead of muta baneling, since hydras have better dps but worse utility. ugh i cannot begin to describe how disgusted i am at this proposed fungal change. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On March 03 2011 07:10 jirpy wrote: I apologize if this has already been addressed but won't sacking KA give an unfair advantage to terran - mainly ghosts who still have moebius reactor so they pop out with instant emps. I understand that they can't warp in like high templar, but it still seems unfair. Why do you say you understand when you don't? Warp in changes everything. In fact there's another thread here showing that warp in templar gets ~the same energy as upgraded infestor/ghost. The closest analogy (though obviously it's different since different races = different mechanics) is that HT (and sentries) get their energy upgrade the moment you get warp gates. | ||
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jirpy
United States32 Posts
On March 03 2011 07:34 oxxo wrote: Why do you say you understand when you don't? Warp in changes everything. In fact there's another thread here showing that warp in templar gets ~the same energy as upgraded infestor/ghost. The closest analogy (though obviously it's different since different races = different mechanics) is that HT (and sentries) get their energy upgrade the moment you get warp gates. Gotcha. I didn't think about that so basically since it takes a couple seconds for the HT to warp in it cuts their build time from 55 to about 5 seconds vs the ghosts 40 second build time. And with energy regen at .562 per second it gives the HT about 70 energy to the ghosts 75 (assuming they were built at the same time). Thanks! | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
stim now takes 3 years to finish instead of 2 years. Zerg got no real buffs =/ | ||
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zergrushkekeke
Australia241 Posts
"- An alert has been added when the Spawn Larva buff expires." This could be huge. As vomit larva is by far the most important macro ability to keep on cooldown constantly. I might change from the backspace method to select all queens, space, inject. This means you don't need to sync the vomits | ||
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TSL-Lore
United States412 Posts
On March 02 2011 06:38 Aerakin wrote: But then they're still gonna complain about colossus being OP. And I understand why they would. Instead of adressing what a large number of people have said is a problem, they decided to sidestep everything and nerf something that wasn't talked much about. (note: I hate colossus, I wish I didn't have to use them. But it seems that it is the only protoss unit blizzard doesn't intend to nerf, ever. So why use anything else >_>) The Colossus seems to try to combine the roles of both the Reaver and the Shuttle into a single unit. I always felt like they should completely re-work the way Colossus fight. As of now, the Colossus is a great a-moving unit that you can include in your main army. They should require the Colossus to build scarabs and have them drop scarabs down from their tall tripod, and do massive AOE damage. ... I think I just really miss Reavers. Probably the most exciting unit (causing Koreans to go REEEAAAVUUUUUUUU REEEAVVUUUUUUUUU) from SC1.. and it's been replaced by the oh-so-boring Colossus. | ||
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woowoo
France164 Posts
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Fleshy
United States28 Posts
i know time went down, but with mess army It can kill enemy units faster :D | ||
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Keyz1
Canada94 Posts
Is it a NERF or a BUFF? NERF. Why? Well, let' see what I can do now, vs what i cant do. Can't: Fungal Growth to stop a fast moving air unit. (Good luck landing it unless he stops.) Spawn infested Terrans to take out ANY unit in time, before they run away. Stall an enemy army for 8 seconds, while I spawn more larva units and regroup an army. Give my Broodlords the correct range to steer away from enemy units in time. Keep units AWAY from my Broodlords so that they can keep killing rather than flying away. Stop Protoss Units from using blink to catch up to my Broodlords. Bring half the amount of infestors needed for a stall vs an enemy. (More gas) Point and click an area of effect, yet High Templar can. Cast instantly anymore. Can: Kill Marines and other fragile units, 2x faster. (If my fungal lands.) Do 30% more damage to armored units (10~points) Cry at the fact my fungal can miss. Help make my infestor survive longer because he has a whopping 20 more points of HP. No longer think of an infestor as a defensive unit. If you noticed it yet or not, any good player uses infestors in a defensive manor at the moment, especially when they are going T3. The nerf indirectly affects the other zerg units and the priority of making infestors, period. It also indirectly affects macro games in general, as well making it much harder to defend against cheese or air units in general. Not only does it do that, but it also indirectly affects the other infestor skill: Infested terran, as they are very slow, and also slow to spawn. And anybody who says it will help kill other units faster now, should remember that 150 gas can be used in much better ways (that's like 6 roaches) in a offensive state of mind. Edit: Want to fungal an opponent to get your roaches in position? Sorry. The infestor is NOT an offensive unit, it was never supposed to be. | ||
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WarrickHunt
United Kingdom393 Posts
I am very sadly dissapointed in the nerf to zerg, as well as no nerf to late game toss, other than the KA. Collussus is far too strong, and if a unit can force a unit that cant be used well after they are dead is stupid, toss get to pick up with their anti muta unit, other than corrution which isnt all that good, corupters are useless, thus eating into zergs 200/200 army even more as it is already weak. I am disapoint blizzard | ||
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fickazzz
Germany152 Posts
or could the new infestor with +30% dmg vs armored be answer...? we will see but i dont think so :/ | ||
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