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ivirj
Mexico79 Posts
Also OSL finals - in an airport hangar, super full place, flash comes out of a fucking airplane like a badass, effort comes from the sky god knows how everyone exited and some random guys playing the drums. SC2. finals - In a park, can barely fill half of it, like 1k people, everyone bored , boring games. Nough said. | ||
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nok.jp
Japan248 Posts
On January 25 2012 01:52 mansa wrote: A rumor is a rumor not even worth a thread of its own.. lolz... haha that's so true! but i enjoyed to watch this thread because i can feel that many people seriously think about BW. Can i say this is a huge love for BW? lol A rumor is just a rumor, everyone is too much worried about the future. Calm down take it easy. Let's think when it happens. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On January 25 2012 01:50 Eiaco wrote: Its wierd how the BW people are constantly discussing BW vs SC2 whilst the SC2 people have more important things to discuss. Serioulsly, if you enjoy BW, play it and watch it. If you like SC2 play it and watch it. If you like both then do both. If you hate both then fuck off away from me. Are you serious? | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
On January 25 2012 01:50 Eiaco wrote: Its wierd how the BW people are constantly discussing BW vs SC2 whilst the SC2 people have more important things to discuss. Serioulsly, if you enjoy BW, play it and watch it. If you like SC2 play it and watch it. If you like both then do both. If you hate both then fuck off away from me. Oh come on, the topic of this thread is that maybe kespa might drop broodwar. We are just discussing the topic, ie the pros and cons of kespa switching to scII and therefore the pros and cons of bw and scII. Sorry for contributing... | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
On January 25 2012 01:56 ivirj wrote: LOL is much harder than SC2, in lol you must coordinate with 4 guys trough a 50 minute match, in sc2 you just pick up a BO and play trough the game until someone looses, no macro no micro no anything. Also OSL finals - in an airport hangar, super full place, flash comes out of a fucking airplane like a badass, effort comes from the sky god knows how everyone exited and some random guys playing the drums. SC2. finals - In a park, can barely fill half of it, like 1k people, everyone bored , boring games. Nough said. Really?... | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On January 25 2012 01:56 ivirj wrote: LOL is much harder than SC2, in lol you must coordinate with 4 guys trough a 50 minute match, in sc2 you just pick up a BO and play trough the game until someone looses, no macro no micro no anything. Also OSL finals - in an airport hangar, super full place, flash comes out of a fucking airplane like a badass, effort comes from the sky god knows how everyone exited and some random guys playing the drums. SC2. finals - In a park, can barely fill half of it, like 1k people, everyone bored , boring games. Nough said. CoD MW3 >>>> Quake 3/Live Fact bro. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 25 2012 02:01 Heimatloser wrote: Oh come on, the topic of this thread is that maybe kespa might drop broodwar. We are just discussing the topic, ie the pros and cons of kespa switching to scII and therefore the pros and cons of bw and scII. Sorry for contributing... actually the topic of the thread was proof that kespa was continuing strong with brood war. i should know i wrote it. | ||
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Herry
England681 Posts
and as someone who has loved esports since blizzard patched Starcraft to allow me to watch Boxer and Grrr... replays, there is only so much of one game you can take. i got bored of broodwar years ago but starcraft 2 renewed my love for esports in general. now i watch heaps of stuff including both. The trill of esports for me is not the game they play but the skills they use in order to win. the Mastery of their chosen battlefield. | ||
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ivirj
Mexico79 Posts
CoD MW3 >>>> Quake 3/Live Fact bro. Nah, but CS? yeah, its hard to find 4 guys that can play cevo - m imagine finding 4 to play cevo p? | ||
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Bart Hurt
Singapore26 Posts
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Warlord_Master
51 Posts
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
Yeah, I don't like sc2 that much, but let it exist, i don't even care. Just don't take my proleague! | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On January 24 2012 22:08 Sawamura wrote: Nothing is going to stop young aspiring korean players who wants to be the next bisu ,flash and jaedong . In fact just take a look at the young aspiring rookies that are owning up the broodwar scene right now take for example Bogus,Last,Wooki,Shy ,Dear,Alone Neo G Soulkey . The future is quite bright in my opinion for broodwar and if what SNM said in it's blog that starcraft is a culture which people will still keep playing for years to come than my faith that the bw scene will be receiving new blood will always be there . Nothing ? In a blooming or stable scene, you're right. This is not the case right now. Of all the players you list, only Wooki and sHy are "true" rookies, having played their first games in 2010. Last, Bogus : August 2008 Soulkey : September 2008 Dear, Alone : September 2009. I went through the whole first page of TLPD and only found Brave as another successful rookie. 2009 seems close, but it's been 2 and a half year already, and they must have spent minimum 2 years being top amateurs before succeeding Courage... It means even sHy and Wooki most likely made the decision to try and become pros in 2008 ? Brood War was stable and in very good shape in 2008. Is it now ? Speaking about Courage, I'd very much like to see stats on how many courage tournaments there are nowadays and the amount of people trying. KeSPA website lists the last courage in december 2010, I believe it got renamed to Rookie League or Tournament ? You might know since the thread was yours, and Ryo said it. About the semi-pro drafts, there were 114 people applying in two rounds in 2010, a mere 26 in 2011.... Should I say more ? A player like HiyA would not have been left behind if teams were actively looking for players. Perfectman got lucky. So many people ended up with the short end of the stick you can't seriously believe all is fine right now in BW. (And that all will be, things usually grow worse, rarely go back up. Only something like another league, a big sponsor taking Team8, or else could do it but I believe it's too late already. Look at the star studded lineup of [8], now look at the sponsors ?...) Well let's take this fact to the test , the current market has a lot of experience players who run the scene and you are just a fresh graduate from university , despite knowing the fact you wouldn't stand a chance competing this already experience players in the field is that going to stop you from exploring and becoming more experience your self to reach the goal you want to be ? . My point is , playing what games you like pretty subjective and if young korean players want to commit themselves to become a pro gamer , no one is stopping them in fact courage tournament is always waiting for them with open arm's . I don't have number nor evidence here, so I will just say this : young korean aiming to be pro-gamers, in SC1, might just not have the choice. Their parents, seeing the SC1 scene and teams disbanding left and right, might forbid them to. Broodwar is mainstream in korea , even kids were playing this in primary schools and they don't need to dedicate countless hour's to play the game after all it's a great past time for kids to be playing broodwar and if they decide to go pro . Whose stopping these kids from doing so ? . Again here, I don't have hard evidence, nothing, since I'm not a Korean. Just a feeling. I wouldn't want to invest a lot of years into something which might net me 0 dollars since it'd be dead when I arrive. Then again, children don't really look at that first. If they enjoy it still a lot, ok. But I'd doubt them not being attracted by newer, shinier games. (talking about ~12-14yo here) I disagree with this statement you say you haven't found a better strategy and yet you prefer watching sc2 . Let's just say sc2 has become the burning passion for you now and for me even after trying out sc2 , my preferred competitive video game is still broodwar . Well you are hoping for sc2 to evolve , but it ain't happening because blizzard will keep feeding PR statements saying , oh we will be putting in LAN soon just you wait for the next expansion , Fast forward and blizzard will keep saying yes we will the units spread out more for you in Sc3 . Please support us . So nope , no thank you , Everything that I have wanted is already in brood war. What ? I don't *prefer* watching SC2 ! I have little choice in fact, I've been watching Proleague and leagues at lunch for more than 7 years, there are right now not enough games or events to feed me enough starcraft. So I watch SC2, and enjoy it too, less than SC1, but still, some games are really nice. I'm old enough to imagine by myself what the game will become in the following years. I'm not overoptimistic, just saying it can only get better, and it's not SO bad right now. Imagine before/after muta micro, stop lurkers etc. And I'm not gonna declare SC2 will forever be shit before it is fully completed with both expansions. (doesn't mean it can't be shit at any point in time, or wasn't already, I just reserve my final decision for the end) Well the decision to move or stay is up to the players as a fan I will support where they go and although if they go instead to sc2 , I will tip of my hat and wish them good luck in their journeys because despite them playing a game with the same name "starcraft " that is . The game is so different , on a personal level , I didn't like the way the game feels and most of my gripes are with the way the game look itself . Although that is probably me because I prefer more simple graphics rather than explosive eye candy in my face action all the time . Of course if most of the team do switch to sc2 even if it's KT , I will definitely drop by to catch up how my bonjwa's are doing , but don't expect me to be supporting them the way I did for broodwar . Their personnality will stay mostly the same and will even develop if they interact more with the international scene. Wouldn't you have dreamed a few years back to have NaDa or Boxer or July speak english and come abroad ? I dealt with them at WWI in 2008, they were already trying to speak english when they could... Savior made the whole room go CRAZY when he spoke the infamous "I will destroy everything in 2009" Well, they are the same people you admired long ago, they didn't change, they only changed games. Boxer is still a model, doing cute, well thought out strats, and is still lacking the extra something to be over 50%, NaDa is still consistent and solid as ever, July is still his old, over aggressive zerg-self.... It is different, but the same. Of course there is no Flash vs Jaedong yet. But some games are truly gooood. Though right now EVERY bw game is awesome. I don't care about eye candy, I play wow not for wow, but for the people I play with. I grew to love SC1 progamers, I still love them in SC2. You are not required to do the same or support them in the same way of BW, everyone likes and hates what they want, just stop overbashing and being either blind (Milkis you're right on that one), or overaggressive/elitist. (not about you Sawamura, just in general, and same between SC1 or SC2 gamers actually) Brood War is the best game in my opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that sooner or later, it WILL die. Be it from the lack of new blood (3 players in one year won't be enough, I'm sorry...), the sponsors going away, the teams closing, the TV channels closing, etc... The only thing I wish is for the players I love not to be left in the cold, and I'd rather they switch to a lesser game and still being able to see them than stopping everything altogether. Those of you who don't want to watch sc2, well, just don't. But don't be so blind about the state of SC1 right now. It will never be what it once was. The games are still awesome, every day of starcraft, but there might not be a lot of those days left, sadly. Be it in April or next year, doesn't change anything. . . Btw, I still don't understand how HoN or LoL can get so many people to watch :s I can't catch the competitive level of those games, and viewership friendliness they have...like WoW, it's kind of a mess...team games are hard to show correctly, since there's so many things happening at once...CS had no spells, nothing, and it was hard for an unexperienced viewer to understand the positioning of 10 players. SC, at least there's only 2 people playing and they can only do so much at once. And yet, these are not multidimensional enough for me. Only control of one single unit, and use of spells... :/ Sigh. Well... if they like it... (note I didn't say it's shit, just that I don't understand and it's not my type of game...) CS1.6, Q3, and SC forever <3 And SC > the others cause they actually change the maps often ! the 154876589523 game on de_train, tourney4 or Lost Temple (W3) gets really boring... And don't get me started on LoL or DotA maps... | ||
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noD
2230 Posts
Like Moon tried to do with sc2 and w3 or is it impossible | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
Zergbong mentions that KeSPA teams are interested in the lowest rung of sc2 talent, the players who have not made a name for themselves, to get them cheap and train them on their own (this is good for BW, as it means much less money will be spent on sc2 right away). I love that. By the way, It's very unfortunate that this thread turned into garbage. Comparing BW to Sc2 is pointless and unneeded. Its only purpose is to show the interlocutors' ignorance. | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On January 25 2012 02:01 Heimatloser wrote: Oh come on, the topic of this thread is that maybe kespa might drop broodwar. We are just discussing the topic, ie the pros and cons of kespa switching to scII and therefore the pros and cons of bw and scII. Sorry for contributing... No, the thread is about incorporating SC2 by grooming new players. Incorporating SC2 does not mean switching BW players. People need to stop overthinking and overreacting. KeSPA is not just BW teams. Under KeSPA, SC2 success does not need killing BW. BW infrastructure can help grooming SC2 players. SC2 audience can bring fresh air to BW scene. Why have one successful league when you can have two? | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On January 24 2012 07:55 bearbuddy wrote: My question is-- why would sponsors that are korean based companies want to transition into a game that is internationally popular but not so much in Korea? I didn't know anything about any company (except for Samsung) before coming to TL. transferring to the international market would obviously be a good idea for any company.. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On January 25 2012 01:47 dtz wrote: Everything else being equal, a team game is always more popular than individual game though. ( yes i know, in starcraft, teams have crucial role with practice and strategies and what not but in essence the game is still 1v1). The same way football/basketball is much more popular than tennis/track/swimming etc. It's always fun to see interactions and even conflicts between teammates. In this sense, I don't really think you can compare LoL and SC2. Also, it is sad that in BW and SC2, the majority of the viewers don't really play anymore. Heck, even TL staff don't play SC2 anymore ( they play LoL and Dota more as far as i can see) and reddit starcraft are full of people who do not even own the game despite being one of the most active subreddits. That makes it so hard to attract new bloods to the game a few years in. How can you tell someone that the game is fun and worth following when you don't even play the game anymore. I have to disagree. Professional sports (basketball, football, baseball, etc.) revenue are largely driven by people who don't play the games in question. If e-sports is designed to be enjoyed mostly by people who are still currently playing, then it's not going to form a lasting audience. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On January 25 2012 02:41 VManOfMana wrote: No, the thread is about incorporating SC2 by grooming new players. Incorporating SC2 does not mean switching BW players. People need to stop overthinking and overreacting. KeSPA is not just BW teams. Under KeSPA, SC2 success does not need killing BW. BW infrastructure can help grooming SC2 players. SC2 audience can bring fresh air to BW scene. Why have one successful league when you can have two? Actually I believe they want rookies to 1) groom them, as you said 2) gain time on the training of existing BW players, by being up to date with strategies, timings etc, not to start from scratch. What they will actually do, we don't know :p | ||
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