EPTLet's put it up guys - you know me, I'll fold under pressure. If you think I'm scum, vote to lynch me. If you don't, then pick your favorite pro-town voice and listen to what they have to say on the matter. Or decide for yourself. I'm at your mercy.
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Let's put it up guys - you know me, I'll fold under pressure. If you think I'm scum, vote to lynch me. If you don't, then pick your favorite pro-town voice and listen to what they have to say on the matter. Or decide for yourself. I'm at your mercy. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 20 2012 04:10 VisceraEyes wrote: That second option is....pretty specific. So lynch you when everyone thinks your town? Why, because that's what happened last game? You keep coming back to last game you were scum. Why is that? You're using meta from your scum game to try and incriminate Sandroba. You allude to your last scum game in an attempt to defend yourself by saying "Whole town thinks I'm town? - Lynch me" Why would you say that as town? Why would you say that if you had nothing to hide? That doesn't make any sense. You're posting like flailing scum Toad, that's why people are suspicious, and I'm officially one of them. Incoming!! yeah the 2nd one is specific because that happened last 2 games when I was town. @lanaia: I'm trying to be confident and trust in my read in Sandroba until someone gives me a reason not to. So far noone stepped up and gave me a single reason why my case is supposed to be "retarded". Take my claims about being right as a defence because WBG keeps telling me my reads / opinions are of no use ALL GAME LONG. Just read his filter and ask yourself again why I might insist on those cases where I was right. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
2 hits are missing, our sheriff claimed he has not sheriff'ed someone (also noone claimed to be locked up so far) => I should be pretty much a confirmed townie at this point imo. I don't see what's wrong with him and his style this game but this is just FAR too off to be just bad town. ##Unvote kingjames01 ##Vote wherebugsgo Take it as a placeholder while pointing a heavy fos in wbg's direction. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 20 2012 08:31 VisceraEyes wrote: What last 2 games are you referring to Toad, if I may ask? I'm not counting the 80 player-cluster-fuck. I was refering to my first game and my 2nd game (I already posted them d1 because supersoft asked, just look up my first or 2nd page of filter). | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
The second vote is trickier, I'm considering supersoft and p4ndemic, but I'm not enthusiastic about lynching kingjames. No one seems to have noted that cyber_cheese's activity level is sharply decreased this day phase, which only furthers my suspicions of him. Not that this determines his alignment one way or the other, but can WBG confirm that supersoft did, in fact, mason him? | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
This helps your defense a lot bro. 2 Shots missing, 2 Shots claimed. If there was no stacking, you're good... I still answer you: [QUOTE]On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Well - I certainly took responsibility for the Palmar lynch, in spite of having ample opportunity to blame WBG for the whole mess. And while superficially it could be argued that I was on-board with the Macpo lynch, I understand that in no way cleanses my erratic behavior. However, my posting has been pretty transparently town, which is what Bum I assume is referring to with his post. I suppose you think my claim was some kind of insane gambit that L and I cooked up for me to get elected? Is that what you want to bring to the table Jayjay? [QUOTE] 95% were for a macpo lynch. Or at least didn’t mind it. Your posts have no direction whatsoever to me. You do no cases, you don’t stick to your opinions, you OMGUS (hey, you didn’t omgus me, good for you!), you vote like 40 times. Like I said, you may actually be indecisive and post a lot without actually making cases, or you could be scum trying to appear townish. [QUOTE]On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I get that my play has been erratic - but if you want to point a finger, do it with some feeling JayJay. What, don't want to be the first on the wagon or something? Afraid of voting for me when you don't know what the GENERAL CONSENSUS is of my play?[/QUOTE] I don’t think it’s good for the town, if you are afraid to call somebody out, because “the general consensus” doesn’t agree. I am like the only one consistently calling BC scum. That should be allowed and even if I am wrong, other train of thoughts are nourishing for town. So no, I am not afraid of that. Your play has not been very good yet, feel free to improve it. Right now we have the huge priority target BM and I’ll stick GGQ, because I think he’s scum and his lynch will give us information which we need. [QUOTE]On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll take your case seriously when you can prove that I have mafia intentions, and you vote for me. Until then, keep your silly theories to yourself JayJay. All you've proven to town is that VE is playing like a crazy person. Raise your hand if that surprises you everyone. [/QUOTE] This is my first game ever, so I don’t know how crazy you normally play. I certainly do know, that BM is lynched right now for the same thing, playing crazy. And not helping town. Sounds familiar. Again, feel free to step up man. you can make a case about me, about jackal, add something to the p4n case, don’t care, but contribute. No theories about L or whatever involved. [QUOTE]On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: But I'm town, and I'm super serious now. I think the case on kingjames is decent - but his response to the case was much better than p4N's reaction to KJ's case. By far. It could be experience. It could be something more sinister. I'm just after the truth, and ultimately you'll find that's what this has ALL been about for me.[/QUOTE] I don’t like the kingjames case as much, but whatever. That’s a town decision. I’ll be on GGQ since I believe, he’s the better target overall. VE, please step up and prove that you were just the ultimate OMGUS-Chamaeleon-Man. I’ll continue to watch you... | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
And I still think VE fakeclaimed, was shot by mafia and is, just as I am a vet who tried to be shot. He tried to do so by fakeclaiming, I tried to post a lot. If there's a medic out there who protected VE don't claim that shit, it's not even important if I'm right on that one and he really is a VET and not a joat if he really is town. Both fine with me. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
First of all, I assumed that mafia actually had 3 KP. I was wrong, so 2 hits are missing and my case was wrong in that regard This helps your defense a lot bro. 2 Shots missing, 2 Shots claimed. If there was no stacking, you're good... I still answer you: On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Well - I certainly took responsibility for the Palmar lynch, in spite of having ample opportunity to blame WBG for the whole mess. And while superficially it could be argued that I was on-board with the Macpo lynch, I understand that in no way cleanses my erratic behavior. However, my posting has been pretty transparently town, which is what Bum I assume is referring to with his post. I suppose you think my claim was some kind of insane gambit that L and I cooked up for me to get elected? Is that what you want to bring to the table Jayjay? 95% were for a macpo lynch. Or at least didn’t mind it. Your posts have no direction whatsoever to me. You do no cases, you don’t stick to your opinions, you OMGUS (hey, you didn’t omgus me, good for you!), you vote like 40 times. Like I said, you may actually be indecisive and post a lot without actually making cases, or you could be scum trying to appear townish. On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I get that my play has been erratic - but if you want to point a finger, do it with some feeling JayJay. What, don't want to be the first on the wagon or something? Afraid of voting for me when you don't know what the GENERAL CONSENSUS is of my play? I don’t think it’s good for the town, if you are afraid to call somebody out, because “the general consensus” doesn’t agree. I am like the only one consistently calling BC scum. That should be allowed and even if I am wrong, other train of thoughts are nourishing for town. So no, I am not afraid of that. Your play has not been very good yet, feel free to improve it. Right now we have the huge priority target BM and I’ll stick GGQ, because I think he’s scum and his lynch will give us information which we need. On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll take your case seriously when you can prove that I have mafia intentions, and you vote for me. Until then, keep your silly theories to yourself JayJay. All you've proven to town is that VE is playing like a crazy person. Raise your hand if that surprises you everyone. This is my first game ever, so I don’t know how crazy you normally play. I certainly do know, that BM is lynched right now for the same thing, playing crazy. And not helping town. Sounds familiar. Again, feel free to step up man. you can make a case about me, about jackal, add something to the p4n case, don’t care, but contribute. No theories about L or whatever involved. On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: But I'm town, and I'm super serious now. I think the case on kingjames is decent - but his response to the case was much better than p4N's reaction to KJ's case. By far. It could be experience. It could be something more sinister. I'm just after the truth, and ultimately you'll find that's what this has ALL been about for me. I don’t like the kingjames case as much, but whatever. That’s a town decision. I’ll be on GGQ since I believe, he’s the better target overall. VE, please step up and prove that you were just the ultimate OMGUS-Chamaeleon-Man. I’ll continue to watch you... | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 20 2012 03:54 Toadesstern wrote: I start to agree that we should still lynch GGQ. The mayor point here is that protact says "no mafia would do such a thing". Here's the point: Townies won't do such a thing as well. The post we're talking about has NOTHING in it to determine his alignment. Yes Mafia won't ask to be vigged, neither will townies. It's bad for both. The only thing of interest should be portacts first line. As mentioned I only have 15mins left and I can't look in his filter right now. Of someone pointed out GGQ is defending macpo before GGQ made that post that line is useless as well. fancy conclusion: This is not a alignment-tell. It is, if at all a nooby-tell. The question should be: Is he really a town-nooby or is he a mafia willing to look like a nooby to not have a mafia stamp on his forehead. Furthermore we can't allow these kind of things. Same goes to BM. If we treat those posts as legitimate defences because "hey look, no mafia would post a such a thing" we're opening a bottomless pit because we're allowing every mafia to just post something along the lines "hey sry, wasn't my best game, you probably should just lynch me to see if I'm bad or mafia to get over this discussion". Who's able to tell the difference between lurkers who are told by their mafia buddies to make a post like this and lurkers who really are just bad? Sure the moment someone like BC would post something like that I'd want to see him hanging but we're talking about new guys here. I'll also look into his filter later on, however: Next guy who does a post like that is to be lynched imo is it just me or did my post here get ignored completly? I thought GGQ might be a hot topic and therefore I expected to get some answers on that one, no matter if good or bad. I still don't think what protact pointed out is a tell at all and that it's not a solid defence. What's everyone elses opinion on what I posted in there? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
OMGUS is a term that applies exclusively...EXCLUSIVELY JAYJAY...to X who's attacking Y based solely on the fact that Y attacked X. I posted my case on Cheese, while the fact that he attacked me was mentioned, it was far from the actual meat of my argument - you need to stop calling it OMGUS because you're either mistaken or misrepresenting - but wrong in any case. My case on Cheese was what I felt at the time. He's changed my mind slightly, mainly based on the way he was generating conversation during the night after that lynch...but my case was serious and very NOT just OMGUS. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On January 20 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote: is it just me or did my post here get ignored completly? I thought GGQ might be a hot topic and therefore I expected to get some answers on that one, no matter if good or bad. I still don't think what protact pointed out is a tell at all and that it's not a solid defence. What's everyone elses opinion on what I posted in there? well, I tried to lynch him d2, my vote is on him d3. so feel free to join me  | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On January 20 2012 09:05 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not an OMGUS anything, and this is the n'th time you've insisted that. OMGUS is a term that applies exclusively...EXCLUSIVELY JAYJAY...to X who's attacking Y based solely on the fact that Y attacked X. I posted my case on Cheese, while the fact that he attacked me was mentioned, it was far from the actual meat of my argument - you need to stop calling it OMGUS because you're either mistaken or misrepresenting - but wrong in any case. My case on Cheese was what I felt at the time. He's changed my mind slightly, mainly based on the way he was generating conversation during the night after that lynch...but my case was serious and very NOT just OMGUS. yea, I don't see it. So, I'll just continue to insist that I already responded to your cc case that it's weak and that I was 100% sure that you wouldn't have made that case, if it wasn't for him attacking you. It felt like you made that case for the sole purpose to justify your OMGUS.Your attack on me was based on nothing except on me attacking you. No case to be seen. Your attack on jackal as well. No case to be seen. Next you put somebody on lynch me! list, make sure to have other arguements than "he voted me and then he stopped voting me", or "he voted me" or "he used to agree with me, now he votes me". You have to ask yourself as a townie, if it is possible for other townies to perceive you maybe in another light than you intend them to. This doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I don't know if you fakeclaimed jack, I don't know if you fakeclaimed the shot. But it is a possibility to me. Try to contribute in a sane manner, maybe my perception changes and then you just have to try to not call me scum for that. If it doesn't, I'll stride on to add more to your case. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 20 2012 08:38 GGQ wrote: I think there's more that enough on BM to justify a vote right now. The second vote is trickier, I'm considering supersoft and p4ndemic, but I'm not enthusiastic about lynching kingjames. No one seems to have noted that cyber_cheese's activity level is sharply decreased this day phase, which only furthers my suspicions of him. Not that this determines his alignment one way or the other, but can WBG confirm that supersoft did, in fact, mason him? wait wtf how do you know supersoft masoned me? | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 20 2012 08:35 Toadesstern wrote: I'm actually going to place my 2nd vote on WBG and as mentioned earlier: I just got home after drinking a couple of beers with friends and will look into KJ's filter tomorrow. For now my vote is on wbg because NOONE except me and VE claimed a hit. 2 hits are missing, our sheriff claimed he has not sheriff'ed someone (also noone claimed to be locked up so far) => I should be pretty much a confirmed townie at this point imo. I don't see what's wrong with him and his style this game but this is just FAR too off to be just bad town. ##Unvote kingjames01 ##Vote wherebugsgo Take it as a placeholder while pointing a heavy fos in wbg's direction. lol this is what I'm talking about. This is like the most random vote I've ever seen. Plus, the only justification is "I'm a confirmed townie so I can do this and heavy FoS on WBG" No reason. No logic. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 20 2012 09:23 wherebugsgo wrote: wait wtf how do you know supersoft masoned me? On January 20 2012 07:22 supersoft wrote: pandemik. I am not mafia. I admit, that my activitylevel is poor. But that has to do with my role: I am mason. I claim right now, because scum already has that information. I masoned L yesterday and he refused to talk to me. He was never online when I was. With that information it's quite easy for you to know who I masoned Day1. It obviously was WBG and we talked a lot about Palmar. Obviously. From now on I'll be more active in the thread. Promised. Game is easier if you actually read it. | ||
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