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On January 20 2012 05:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
at this point it's pretty damning of kingjames to be so fervently pushing a random lynch we've never heard of.
Granted, this is exactly what he did in XLVIII, just always pushing random people who never had a chance of being lynched. Knowing this, though, it becomes hard to determine whether he is actually scum or just playing like he normally does
At this point I don't care because I don't think kingjames is the best kill for today. I'd much rather we kill BM and Toad. I'm going to go ahead and step in here WBG. I don't think it's damning at all to bring up "a random lynch we've never heard of" . Talk about the content of the case if you disagree with him. Do you find kingjames suspicious independently or are you just talking trash because some have expressed suspicion on him? Your basing your entire read, again, on meta if you say it's independent, and your meta reads are clearly fucking shit bro. I suggest you speak to the content of his case. Maybe you'll see something I've missed. p4N's filter is pretty terribad. You're saying you disagree that the guy who spent 3 pages worth of clarifying why you were "speaking in third person" is suspicious? Are you going to do this right now WBG? AM I GONNA HAVE TO SMACK A BITCH WBG? AM I?
Like I just said, when he called me out he took a ton of attention. Perhaps he didn't mean to take that attention, but I feel like scum are less likely to what he did.
Also his tirade of "why are you talking in the third person" looked more like a new player not knowing what he's doing than a scum trying to force a mislynch.
At any rate I'll be back after class and will read stuff again, since I need to.
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VE you baffle me. You totally agree with the biggest push I have made in the game up until this point, put in your vote to that effect, but you continue to swing wildly back and forth and put your vote back onto me. You acknowledge that I have a solid case, but just because kingjames keeps pushing me you keep forgetting that and voting for me. The most telling thing I have done all game is this lynch against supersoft and bill murray, I've drawn a line in the sand and you've said you agreed with that. This fact should carry more weight than me making some mistakes earlier in the game.
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On January 19 2012 23:07 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 17:40 p4NDemik wrote:
Protactinium is regularly catching mafia. So yeah, I haven't been calling him out or anything. If he keeps giving targets that flip red I'm going to continue to think he's pretty green. I don't know why this post drew you to me.
Day 1 during the Mayor vote we had like 20 pages of useless Mason talk, so I spoke to that, what little bit I could but mostly I was disappointed as I said it was very difficult to focus on who was the best candidate during that mess. Yes I didn't make a stand at that exact moment but it was very difficult to do so at the time. The thread was in ruins.
Again I don't see what you are trying to prove by showing my reasoning for voting Protactinium for mayor. I feel that while it isn't the most verbose explanation it is very to the point and says exactly why the other candidates were deficient. It doesn't leave anything to the imagination. I wanted to get a mayor who wanted to hang some mafia members and I voted for one who is 2 for 2 thus far.
As for the Palmar thing, yeah it doesn't help so much when you say "I told you so!" after the fact but I couldn't help myself. The lynch Palmar drive based on meta didn't sit well with me and that was another big factor why I voted for Protactinium. I know I made a promise to go through the thread again, but sometimes I just have to get away from this game it is very time consuming as is and eventually you have to pull yourself away to do other things. That said, I feel I just presented a very strong case and we have 2 for-sure mafia who just exposed themselves in BM and supersoft. I trust that town will see these two for what they really are and take them down.
In the next quote I am not using this "I'm a n00b" defense at all. Kitaman raises a question about why I didn't care about masons/Palmar meta discussion and instead only cared about the election. I told him I don't have experience with masons and I have never played with Palmar to know the meta that the lynch was based upon. But I never said "I'm a n00b." You're really grasping at straws here if that's what you got out of it.
Now you list a hoarde of posts that are short questions. I saw what I thought were questionable actions by players. In a few of the cases they were misunderstandings and mistakes in reading what was posted. They were very real. I thought wherebugsgo made a serious slip for a second and voted for him but I was proven wrong and shown that he was just paraphrasing what someone else said. It wasn't obvious and it was quite confusing as there was no context given. Kenpachi swoops in being the troll he is and gets under my skin a little. I'm human. Whoop de doo. My case against you is not predicated on your support for or against Protactinium. My suspicion against your formed when I read that you thought Nisani presented a "pretty compelling" argument against Protactinium when in fact he did not. When I then look through the remainder of your posts it becomes clear that you spend an inordinate amount of time committing to nothing, attempting to justify your lynch votes and never any actual scum-hunting. Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 17:46 p4NDemik wrote:
If this is the best mafia can do to discredit me then that's pretty sad. We have them on the ropes townies don't let up on the pressure. BM and supersoft clearly are into some dirty business here. Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 19:47 p4NDemik wrote:
I'm headed to bed please read over my case against supersoft and BM I'm convinced we have a 2 for 2 day here and I hope everyone can see through whatever weak accusations kingjames brought against me. I don't know what his intentions are or if he is trying to get his buddies out of a tight spot but the best part is we've still got like 40 hours to analyze further suspects after we decide on this lynch. We're getting close guys, should have their KP reduced even more very soon! You're not one of us. Your posts and your actions make that clear. Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't ever attempt to help to improve the condition/atmosphere of the Town? Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't ever take a solid stand to outlining your position on major issues? Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't have not done any real public scum-hunting?
It is a weak accusation to say that I don't ever attempt to help improve town atmosphere. I was openly against the mason talk Day 1. This was probably the most chaotic, unhelpful time in the game and I said I didn't care for it. I was focused on the election. I stand firm in thinking this is something that was strongly in the interest of the town and I don't know why you choose to ignore it.
It is a weak accusation to say I never make a solid stand on major issues. I made a very solid stand with my vote for Protactinium. I outlined exactly why I thought other candidates were deficient and why I was steadfast in my support for Protactinium. I feel I'm making a solid stand right now against your agenda and for a lynch of supersoft and BM. These are things that are clear to see.
It is also a weak accusation to say I haven't attempted to hunt mafia as I am currently presenting a case right now. A strong one in my opinion. The fact that your accusation comes out now leads me to believe that you don't even really intend to get my lynched. That would be a bonus of course, but as long as my case against supersoft is overlooked its a small victory for mafia.
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flamewheel / jcarlsoniv can we get an accurate vote count? It's very difficult to keep up with double lynch voting already and now that you've said kingjames' count is incorrect I really want to know the current status even more.
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On January 20 2012 06:23 p4NDemik wrote:
VE you baffle me. You totally agree with the biggest push I have made in the game up until this point, put in your vote to that effect, but you continue to swing wildly back and forth and put your vote back onto me. You acknowledge that I have a solid case, but just because kingjames keeps pushing me you keep forgetting that and voting for me. The most telling thing I have done all game is this lynch against supersoft and bill murray, I've drawn a line in the sand and you've said you agreed with that. This fact should carry more weight than me making some mistakes earlier in the game.
You've made some mistakes today, apart from your case entirely. I see merit in your case, and I intend to dissect it further...but I've found your responses inadequate to the charges brought against you. You say that kingjames is "all the mafia can do to discredit you"...when he's the only one who's made a case and aside from me the only one who's voted you. Who pray tell do you think mafia are then that are trying to "discredit" you? JUST kingjames01? kingjames01 and myself? Why isn't your vote on one of us? Do you think we're attempting to "save" supersoft simply by raising suspicion of you? YOU are the one with baffling play sir - and how you've escaped Protact is pretty well beyond me at this point.
But you know, we'll see soon.
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I don't like kingjames or p4NDemik as lynch candidates at the moment. I don't have an issue with kingjames's vote for L as he reposted Kitaman's very good case against L. p4NDemik just looks newish town to me, and his case against Supersoft is worth a look.
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I don't think you are mafia, but I'm like 95-99% sure that BM and supersoft are, and a little less sure (as most of my suspicion draws from his recent attack on me) that kingjames is as well. I feel like kingjames is a regular goon right now trying to use whatever traction he can get to save more valuable mafia roles. BM has obvious value to mafia with his sheriff position, and I'd wager to guess supersoft is a roleblocker/framer/jack. I don't mean to accuse you at all I'd just like you to go with your gut and not be swayed by kingjames' rhetoric.
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On January 20 2012 06:52 jaj22 wrote:
I don't like kingjames or p4NDemik as lynch candidates at the moment. I don't have an issue with kingjames's vote for L as he reposted Kitaman's very good case against L. p4NDemik just looks newish town to me, and his case against Supersoft is worth a look.
That's an interesting defense of p4NDemik. He's a "newish town".
Now didn't we ALREADY hear that argument used for TWO separate players?
Who were those two? Oh that's right, Ciryandor and Macpo. hm... They ended up dead, right? Let's go check to see what they flipped... Wow... So they were BOTH mafia???
Would you like to rescind your defense of p4NDemik?
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On January 20 2012 06:57 p4NDemik wrote:
I'd just like you to go with your brain and critique by kingjames' logic.
There, I thought I would just fix that up for you.
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EBWOP:
On January 20 2012 06:57 p4NDemik wrote:
I'd just like you to go with your brain and critique kingjames' logic.
There, I thought I would just fix that up for you.
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On January 20 2012 04:07 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 03:50 jaj22 wrote:On January 20 2012 02:25 kingjames01 wrote:On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote:
@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?
What? Do YOU want Bill Murray to blow up two of those 3? Analyse Foolishness and Protactinium for yourself. They ARE and HAVE BEEN pro-Town from the beginning. Until that changes they should not be targetted. That was my point. I should probably make those clearer. On January 20 2012 02:25 kingjames01 wrote:
What about Protactinium's latest post don't you like? Analyse it for us and tell us what you think.
Ok. I forgot about a couple of bits that I was fine with, so my statement was inaccurate. Here goes: On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:GGQ is cool. On January 18 2012 13:12 GGQ wrote:
Yeah so I hard defended macpo because I thought he posted like I did when I was new.
It's probably better to vig me tonight instead of wasting a lynch. Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia. Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches. Nobody lynch him today, keke? I covered this in another post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13201470On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game.
This is absolutely true except that BM had a really spammy patch in day 2, so I'm not too sure about the frequency point yet. In TL Mafia XXII his post count crashes at the end of day 2 and stays low. On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:ToadessternOn January 19 2012 10:56 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p
However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say.
The only ones I like right now are people you are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here? Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. What? Toad was trying to protect his scumbuddy GGQ and get his scumbuddies Sandroba and Macpo lynched instead? I don't buy the Palmar lynch influence knowledge point because it's quite plausible that Toad just jumped to a conclusion. I don't think it's even an illogical conclusion from the "compromise" post. I'm guessing this is a pressure case because Protact can't get a read out of Toad's filter any more than I can  On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol.
I thought Sandroba's day 2 posting was better if anything. At least less trolly. Which mayor candidate was going to lynch Ciryandor? I thought Protactinium settled on Macpo. The Palmar lynch influence is a red mark but there was a plausible narrative based on Sandro's posts in the thread and the mason log. Still not sure about Sandroba personally. I found a couple of his other town games: His LotR (town) filter looks much like his scum play, which this game does too, but his Mini Mafia X (town) posting was vastly superior. Actual care and effort put into posting. If he doesn't raise his game here I'll consider voting for him. On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play.
This meta-read is beyond me. Any other vets want to comment on Bum? I would agree with the meta read on bum primarily because he actually tries to contribute to town discussion and scumhunting when he is town. So far he (like most players in this game) has done very little. Bum also tends to shy away from spotlight when he is scum. This is very unlike his play, for example, from steamship or any other game where he is town.
Wut? I don't shy away from the spotlight -_-! I wasn't able to post as much as I would like, but I keep up with the thread and stay active. There is little doubt in my mind that bill and meapak are scum.
On January 19 2012 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 15:23 bumatlarge wrote:
Meapak is clearly scum. His GGQ push is just one big crutch for him. Just read his last two posts.
##Vote meapak_ziphh Hey bum glad you decided to start playing. Actually let's just get this out of the way. Can anyone who is suspicious of me please vote for me now? I'd like to get a headcount so I can address all your concerns. I've seen my name thrown out a couple times and I'm baffled so if you'd just do that we can put this to rest once and for all. Now bum. You say my case is one giant crutch. Do you agree or disagree with my case? Why is it a crutch? I've shared plenty of other reads. True I haven't persued any to lynch but that's because I feel GGQ is the best option. I already promised that tomorrow I would have an analysis of opz. Other than a spat with toad I've helped keep the thread on track. Besides, GGQ isn't the only thing I've posted a lot about. I've also worked against lynching protact and sandroba. You call me out for being willing to vote with protact/foolishness. Why not? They've collectively called out three confirmed scum and I agree with the majority of their reads. Is it scummy to agree with someone who's making sense? Now let's contrast that with you bum. You've done nothing since day one. You ran a halfassed campaign for mayor, you were missing from the discussion yesterday. Other than me what are you reads? You don't even have a proper case against me, just a lame little "clearly scum becuz crutch" which as I've pointed out makes no sense. Please reread the thread and figure out what's going on bum because at the moment you have zero credibility. Alright next!
I'm happy to have struck a chord. GGQ is more or less irrelevant compared to you. I would make an effort to assess GGQ if you flipped town. As I seriously doubt that, I don't think GGQ would be a great bus at this point, so I would go with town if you are scum. GGQ is still in a bad position if you flip before him, so I would argue against his lynch.
If my posts really look like I'm not putting effort into them, I'll try harder to better them. meapak's post does nothing but make me more suspicious though, so as far as I'm concerned at the moment, he's the best lynch.
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On January 20 2012 07:02 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 04:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 20 2012 03:50 jaj22 wrote:On January 20 2012 02:25 kingjames01 wrote:On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote:
@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?
What? Do YOU want Bill Murray to blow up two of those 3? Analyse Foolishness and Protactinium for yourself. They ARE and HAVE BEEN pro-Town from the beginning. Until that changes they should not be targetted. That was my point. I should probably make those clearer. On January 20 2012 02:25 kingjames01 wrote:
What about Protactinium's latest post don't you like? Analyse it for us and tell us what you think.
Ok. I forgot about a couple of bits that I was fine with, so my statement was inaccurate. Here goes: On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:GGQ is cool. On January 18 2012 13:12 GGQ wrote:
Yeah so I hard defended macpo because I thought he posted like I did when I was new.
It's probably better to vig me tonight instead of wasting a lynch. Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia. Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches. Nobody lynch him today, keke? I covered this in another post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13201470On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game.
This is absolutely true except that BM had a really spammy patch in day 2, so I'm not too sure about the frequency point yet. In TL Mafia XXII his post count crashes at the end of day 2 and stays low. On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:ToadessternOn January 19 2012 10:56 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p
However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say.
The only ones I like right now are people you are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here? Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. What? Toad was trying to protect his scumbuddy GGQ and get his scumbuddies Sandroba and Macpo lynched instead? I don't buy the Palmar lynch influence knowledge point because it's quite plausible that Toad just jumped to a conclusion. I don't think it's even an illogical conclusion from the "compromise" post. I'm guessing this is a pressure case because Protact can't get a read out of Toad's filter any more than I can On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol.
I thought Sandroba's day 2 posting was better if anything. At least less trolly. Which mayor candidate was going to lynch Ciryandor? I thought Protactinium settled on Macpo. The Palmar lynch influence is a red mark but there was a plausible narrative based on Sandro's posts in the thread and the mason log. Still not sure about Sandroba personally. I found a couple of his other town games: His LotR (town) filter looks much like his scum play, which this game does too, but his Mini Mafia X (town) posting was vastly superior. Actual care and effort put into posting. If he doesn't raise his game here I'll consider voting for him. On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play.
This meta-read is beyond me. Any other vets want to comment on Bum? I would agree with the meta read on bum primarily because he actually tries to contribute to town discussion and scumhunting when he is town. So far he (like most players in this game) has done very little. Bum also tends to shy away from spotlight when he is scum. This is very unlike his play, for example, from steamship or any other game where he is town. Wut? I don't shy away from the spotlight -_-! I wasn't able to post as much as I would like, but I keep up with the thread and stay active. There is little doubt in my mind that bill and meapak are scum. Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 19 2012 15:23 bumatlarge wrote:
Meapak is clearly scum. His GGQ push is just one big crutch for him. Just read his last two posts.
##Vote meapak_ziphh Hey bum glad you decided to start playing. Actually let's just get this out of the way. Can anyone who is suspicious of me please vote for me now? I'd like to get a headcount so I can address all your concerns. I've seen my name thrown out a couple times and I'm baffled so if you'd just do that we can put this to rest once and for all. Now bum. You say my case is one giant crutch. Do you agree or disagree with my case? Why is it a crutch? I've shared plenty of other reads. True I haven't persued any to lynch but that's because I feel GGQ is the best option. I already promised that tomorrow I would have an analysis of opz. Other than a spat with toad I've helped keep the thread on track. Besides, GGQ isn't the only thing I've posted a lot about. I've also worked against lynching protact and sandroba. You call me out for being willing to vote with protact/foolishness. Why not? They've collectively called out three confirmed scum and I agree with the majority of their reads. Is it scummy to agree with someone who's making sense? Now let's contrast that with you bum. You've done nothing since day one. You ran a halfassed campaign for mayor, you were missing from the discussion yesterday. Other than me what are you reads? You don't even have a proper case against me, just a lame little "clearly scum becuz crutch" which as I've pointed out makes no sense. Please reread the thread and figure out what's going on bum because at the moment you have zero credibility. Alright next! I'm happy to have struck a chord. GGQ is more or less irrelevant compared to you. I would make an effort to assess GGQ if you flipped town. As I seriously doubt that, I don't think GGQ would be a great bus at this point, so I would go with town if you are scum. GGQ is still in a bad position if you flip before him, so I would argue against his lynch. If my posts really look like I'm not putting effort into them, I'll try harder to better them. meapak's post does nothing but make me more suspicious though, so as far as I'm concerned at the moment, he's the best lynch.
Wow what a quote war in this reply box. Bum can you explain in detail why you are suspicious of Meapak? I mean, you seem so certain, surely you can easily explain your reasoning. You also suggest that GGQ could be a bus while several other "less scummy" players are pushing for GGQ's lynch...so why would he be irrelevant? What makes Meapak a better lynch candidate than GGQ exactly?
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pandemik. I am not mafia. I admit, that my activitylevel is poor. But that has to do with my role: I am mason.
I claim right now, because scum already has that information. I masoned L yesterday and he refused to talk to me.
He was never online when I was.
With that information it's quite easy for you to know who I masoned Day1. It obviously was WBG and we talked a lot about Palmar. Obviously.
From now on I'll be more active in the thread. Promised.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2012 11:56 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 11:15 Foolishness wrote:On January 17 2012 11:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
EBWOP: I forgot to add Macpo to the FoS list. Pretty interesting how you just mentioned Macpo now and decided to (almost) ignore him completely from the start of the game. In fact I find it very very very interesting that you make a lot of posts like these... On January 17 2012 07:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Nope hiro, we're lynching GGQ today. You don't have a very strong case against sandroba and neither do any of the other jubjubs calling for his death right now. We lynch GGQ today, tomorrow we lynch any of the people who have popped out of the woodwork to defend him.
Also for those viewers who are keeping track back home, I'm working my way through the filters of the players I talked about in my post last night, I should have something on who is who in a few hours. ...while choosing to ignore a lynch candidate who is under attack from arguably the 2 best scumhunters in this game. Hey Incog, I found another mafia! Bingo. Through day 1, when people were going on about being distracted, I started thinking on people who were abusing this to no end, getting their fingers in every pie, and takng zero risk in putting themselves out there. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I was debating what to do with my 3k but I couldn’t think up of anything fast enough so this is it  Anyway, I am running for mayor as well. At the moment, I do not most of the mayor candidates. I don’t like Cyber_Cheese because his reasoning for him being mayor is weak in my opinion. Saying that you should be elected because your scum play is bad isn’t very inspiring. His other argument is that he’ll be active (nice trait for a mayor to have but everybody should be active), also he says he’ll lynch the scummiest mayor candidate which I don’t like because one of the mayor candidates may not be the best choice. I don’t like Kitaman because he says he’s not the strongest town player and I want to elect the strongest mayor possible. He also cites his activity as a reason to be elected but like I said earlier, everyone should be active. Kita does say some good things, if the people who I consider stronger players than kita don’t run or look scummy to me, I’d not be opposed to having kita as my sheriff. Bum is a really bad vote. Insane 2 is a good example, another good example is responsibility where kita (the mafia) almost convinced him to mislynch. My point is that bum can be swayed and isn’t the most reliable person to have for mayor. I want a mayor who I can be sure will not be swayed by mafia. Also, I really dislike bum claiming (or at least hinting) blue. I don’t like Mr. Wiggles, his reasoning is basically, “every mayor post will sound the same so vote for me.” While it’s true that mayor posts do sound similar, they put the candidate in the spotlight, and even if the candidate doesn’t get elected, they still have to play by the values they espoused because they publicly said that’s how they’d play. Just because Foolishness is good does not make Bill Murray a good vote. While foolishness is known for random trolling in the first few days, this is just completely ridiculous. While it’s great that BM says he wants to scum hunt and all, I want to elect someone who I’ve seen evidence of good scum hunting and I haven’t seen that from BM (in fairness, I didn’t have the greatest opportunity, however I’m still going to stick with players I know are good). Risk.nuke does the same thing as kita and says he isn’t the best townie, he also says he’s lost interest a few times but swears he won’t do it this game. Famous last words… No offense risk but this isn’t very compelling. Protactinium has one post saying he’ll lynch ciryandor. Not very compelling, maybe that’ll change when he posts more. Out of all the candidates so far, BloodyC0bbler is the one who made the most sense and I would vote for to be my sheriff. He and Bum are both claiming to do a lot of the same thing, however bum (as I said before) can be swayed and manipulated. BC also willing accepts the spotlight which is good and he doesn’t over promise what he can deliver. Bum talks about organizing the town, BC says what he’d do. Subtle but important difference which means without further ado: ##Vote: BloodyC0bblerI’d love to have you be my sheriff :D
Now after all that let’s get to why I would make a good mayor. For one thing, I am a good scum hunter. I can claim credit for at least two scum lynches and two successful vigi shots in a recent time frame. My town play is extremely solid and you can count on me to be analyzing and posting throughout the game. While I hate to use this as a reason since I ragged on people earlier for doing it, I’d also like to point out that my scum play is pretty atrocious as evidenced by my performance in the last pyp game. As mayor, I will be constantly scum hunting. Now mayor doesn’t magically give a license to scum hunt, I'll be owning scum hard whether I'm elected or not, it’s the protection I’m looking for. I would like to be able to kill as many scum as possible and that’ll be difficult if I die night one. Electing a mayor is a lot about choosing who will survive the nights, that’s why it’s important to have a townie AND a good player because the longer that player can survive the better. This is why a) I don’t want to vote for people who consider themselves only middling town player and b) why I want BC to be sheriff. Anyway, those are my reasons for getting elected, now on to scum hunting. I’d like everyone to take a quick look at these posts by GGQ: On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote:On January 13 2012 15:22 Ciryandor wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
/confirm
LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. LOL that's a good reason to get you voted in. Lynching someone for having an opinion. Your posts have been very bad so far. On January 13 2012 13:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh fail, didn't realise there was elections...
##Unvote
I'm going to run for mayor.
Lynch all lurkers/liars is standard pre-game chat, and it's mostly useless. Let's skip that.
It's all too situational, and we rarely follow through with it. This post is also bad. On January 13 2012 15:32 GGQ wrote:
Also voting for BM because he is BM is really dumb. He should be treated like any other player, we don't need metagame arguments/discussions about him clogging up the thread. Don't vote for him, stop discussing him until he posts, then talk about his posts. Thanks you. These two posts are extremely bad for town. The first one is bad because he just calls out these people without giving a reason for why their posts were bad. If you’re going to call people out (as I’m doing right now) say why you’re doing it. In fact I’d like to make that clear real quick: If you are town, give reasons when you call people out. There’s absolutely no reason not to share your thoughts. The second post is bad because it contradicts itself and is pretty useless all in all. Nisani does the same thing: On January 13 2012 16:18 Nisani201 wrote:
All the mayor candidates suck. Although Nisani later clarifies this post as to why he doesn’t like the candidates, it would have been way better if he had just done that in the first place rather than make a blanket statement. Please please please refrain from making these sorts of posts. If you’re gonna say something is bad, tell us why. This goes for everyone and it’d be great if we had a game where everyone explained stuff when they posted it. Also while we’re on the topic of bad posting, please keep these sorts of questions (@such and such, who do you think about so and so?) to a minimum. They serve no purpose. Questions are powerful tools when used correctly; however mindlessly asking people random questions is a great way for scum to appear active and contributing. So let’s as a town just agree not to do this mkay. I don’t have much else to say at the moment. In anticipation of all the “@Mayor candidate: who would you lynch and why?” posts I’ll just say at the moment I’d lynch GGQ based on what I wrote above, however it’s only like a few hours into the game and not everybody has even checked in yet so I think it’s too early start calling for people’s deaths. However, now is a perfect time for: FOS: GGQGonna match actions to words. K I’m going to sleep. I’ll be around tomorrow so I’ll address whatever comes up then. Reading this again, I can't really find a bigger offender of this then meapak. Especially for a vet, he hits all the safe keys (dropping down his vote and his suspicions). I'll bold more examples of "safe keys". + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 05:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Wow lots happened while I was asleep Alright let's talk BC's claim.BC's claim is actually pretty brilliant in my eye and here's why. Before claiming, BC was easily one of the top three candidates for mayor if not the top one. There's little doubt in my mind that BC would have gotten one of the elected positions. Now he could always claim once elected, however that's not a pressure position. He's got bodyguards and immunity from dt checks so there's no danger of dying if he's town, or being found out if he's scum. However by claiming mid day like this it instantly puts a HUGE amount of pressure on him. All eyes are on him at the moment and his every action is being scrutinized. This is an extremely tough position to be in as scum. And so it begs the question, if BC is scum, what is the motivation for claiming like this? He had a great chance at being elected so why mess that up as scum? With this claim BC is willingly taking the spotlight and the scrutiny. While he may be scum and have the biggest balls I've ever seen, I find it far more likely that he is doing his best to demonstrate his good intentions by willingly going on the hot seat. In conclusion, I can only think of town motives for claiming. currently MIA: L, now would be a good time to start posting. Things that are bad in a townie way: Palmar, I don't think you're scum but I'd appreciate if you put more effort into the game. Things that are bad in a scummy way: People calling Palmar scum. Palmar is making himself a really easy target with his blatantly bad posting, it doesn't take much to call someone who's posting like him out. It's people trying to score townie points by looking like they're standing up and acting town when in reality they're just going after something that costs them no skin off their back. Note this doesn't apply to people who have simply asked Palmar to play better (like me lol) I'm instead talking about the people who were like "zomfg lynch palmar." On January 14 2012 18:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
mkay wow a lot happened. I just wanna address the Mattchew candidacy.
This is a tough call. On one hand, it is possible that mattchew is town. But the only evidence we have of this is foolishness's word, and with foolishness's actions so far I don't put too much stalk in it. For one, I find it really odd that foolishness would out a blue role just like that, he should know better than that. Another reason is that mattchew seems way too eager to claim confirmed town. At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Ultimately though, trying to determine mattchew's alignment comes down to WIFOM which could get endless.
I would feel better about the whole mattchew thing if he took his position and tried to play protown with it however most of his posts since announcing his candidacy have been talking about how he is confirmed which he isn't.
Anyway at this point I still feel pretty good about BC despite protact's analysis. Other people who are making sense atm are kita and to a lesser extent WBG. I disagree with WBG that Palmar is scum, I thought I knew what Palmar was trying to do with his bad posting but if he doesn't come in and capitalize on it within the next 12 hours or so I'll be more inclined to think he's scum.
I would still love to see L post, I also want more out of GGQ who has done absolutely nothing so far, in terms of lynch I still feel very good about GGQ because I think he fits the lurking scum profile. He's been in the thread but his posts have not been protown and since I'm the only person who seriously called him out he's been able to slip into obscurity.
There is no content in meapak's posts, unless he specifically prefaces his posts to do so. I'm pretty sure that's a little scum-habit, because I don't remember seeing any of this in responsibility, but he was a sub for chezinu. Why didn't we make foolishness mayor lol?
GGQ is not a big voice in the thread. I think, at best, he is worth a DT or vig hit at the moment. Someone like bill murray is worth a lynch, or someone like meapak
I'm honestly curious why you think he is town this game. I really think he is outright lying about catching any scum this game. Also, I'd like to call under question BC's alignment. I don't think GGQ would be as great an indicator as meapak. If meapak is town, then I oubt BC is scum. I find the opposite to be very likely if meapak flips scum.
It's roughly all I have at the moment -_-, so I guess people have provided stronger analysis on other players to be lynched. I just want to make sure people know where my fingers are if something happens to me.
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Hey guys, here’s some info on VE.
Loosely based on a true story….err…I mean that case here:
On January 16 2012 06:12 GiygaS wrote:Before I begin, I was definitely leaning town on him until now, where my opinion of him has changed. He seemed very pro-town, and scumhunting at the beginning, but slowly, he degraded, let me show you how. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 02:14 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 14 2012 02:10 rgTheSchworz wrote:
If I was red, wouldn't I say that PRIVATELY?To then kill him at night?
Anyway, I was just fishing for info. WIFOM with a dash of CONFIRMING THAT YOU WERE ROLE-FISHING? You're right - scum can't be this bad. Don't role-fish. It's what scum do to try and find blue roles to kill at night. Try and find scum, not our blue roles. They'll do their job without you cheering them on because you found them. -.- Great post. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 03:36 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 13 2012 13:45 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Something seems wrong...
I didn't autoscum :O
Speaking of auto-scum
##Vote MrWiggles This is the post BM is pushing as Cyber_Cheese trying to "force a mislynch" This post is very obviously a joke based on site-meta...Mr. Wiggles rolls scum A LOT and I for one giggled when CC posted this. Anyone who says BM's case on CC trying to "force a mislynch" of Mr. Wiggles is assuming 2 things: 1) CC was serious about that vote, and 2) Mr. Wiggles is automatically town. Both of these things are ridiculous to assume at this point in the game. I'm inclined to believe Mr. Wiggles is town based on his posts myself, but when CC had posted this, and subsequently when BM called him scum for it, Wiggles hadn't posted ANYTHING. If anything, I'd say it makes BM suspicious for knowing that Wiggles is town and CC was pushing a "mislynch". Think, guys. Great post again. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC, I consider your claim to be scummy for this reason: you're essentially leveraging your role to win you this election. Discuss. Now we're getting somewhere. Notice that this is a contradiction on his part, as he himself uses his role to put himself in a spot for election. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC, are you for or against a mass-mason claim? I like the idea behind the discussion this is generating, but I'd like your opinion as much as you'd like everyone else's opinion.
Personally, I'm torn on the mass-mason claim. It makes sense in that Mafia will be put to the decision to either kill them or let them mason away...but with their own masons, it seems to me like they'll probably avoid killing them as to not draw any attention to THEIR masons (by them surviving). Yay! Neutrality. BTW, one post later (in his filter), he decides that mass claim would be a good idea. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
JJ wut up dawg, you rollin wit me? I'll make you my Minister of Slips or Secretary of TownCred...both positions are vacant up in this piece. :D
WBG: Are you like, convinced of Palmar's guilt? His play has been null as fuck if you discount any meta, which is what I've forced myself to do at this point. It's D1 after all, and there are better D1 lynches in my opinion. Another contradiction. For those that didn't know, he was one of the first to attack Palmar based on meta, and even made it part of his campaign to lynch him. He then changes his opinion AGAIN when questioned. He goes from: my campaign is lynching him, to not the best D1 lynch, to yeah, let's fucking lynch him. Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 04:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Daykill: Cyber_Cheese
That's right motherfuckers, I'm the Town Jack. CyberCheese is pushing his scum candidate BC, who needs to NOT be mayor. You asshats need to unvote BC if CC flips scum and whoever is mayor needs to lynch me if he flips town.
Tired of this shit.
Jitsu masoned me, and was trying to get me to comment on BC/Protract. I think he's scum too.
Also on my list of scum is Palmar, for obvious reasons. Yeah bitches, he doesn't just accuse those who accuse him, he tries to daykill them. Oh yeah. Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Seriously guys this is all hands on deck. I'm very town and I'm very Jack. I need to be mayor.
VOTES ON VE GOGOGO
This isn't me trying to leverage my role to win the election - if I wanted to do that I would have done that already and not called BC out on it right after his claim. This is me trying to keep one of our most powerful roles IN THE GAME. I'm not going to do anymore stupid shit if you elect me.
...yes it is. Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
L, I'll prove I'm Jack by shooting tonight and Masoning you tomorrow then. That's my plan. This would waste his role completely. Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 17:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
@GiygaS
I listen to you bro. Remember that game where you and Palmar fucked me up as mafia? His play was spectacular that game...he really convinced me he was a townie when I was calling for his HEAD D2. You played the fallguy to a T, not outting him at all. I was thoroughly impressed, and I'm not the only one.
Palmar doesn't do shit like that anymore. When you left, Palmar's play took a SHARP turn for the worse, and he's lucky to live past D2 these days. I thought he was scum all game too...especially when he still vouched for me for office.
I guess my point is, I think you're barking up the wrong tree where WBG is concerned. Here's how you handle that guy.
@WBG
Would you link to the most recent game where you were town and Palmar was scum?
@Cyber_Cheese
Would you point to a post with content that Palmar made during D1 that wasn't within 30 minutes of the lynch please? Failing that, could you stfu about WBG's meta-only case on Palmar?
I'm going to feel really bad for saying this... But I can't tell if you're being genuine, or you're just trying to cater to emotions. Reminder that I'm only saying this because I need to be as objective as possible in Mafia. >.< Finally, his slightly spammy play (6 pages already, and a lot of it is just discussing flavor of the page shit).
Have u skipped it? Go read it.
This case was made by GiygaS shortly before he deceased. Unfortunately, it got buried because Wiggles started his well-intended Mason circle plan.
He also got called out in the same night by kita, who was also shot. (I know, I know, WIFOM, I’ll shut up)
His jack claim was balantly stupid, trying to “prove it” is even stupider because of it’s two times only use.
And only to recap this post is what the “daykill” entirely was about:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 04:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 04:24 Toadesstern wrote:On January 15 2012 04:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 15 2012 04:01 Toadesstern wrote:
and re. I'll be voting BM right now. d1 (like RL-d1) I thought it's the most horrible thing possible but he gives me townvibes.
There's no way I will vote for sandro, bc or bum because I think either 1 or 2 out of them is scum and the mafia out of those is trying to screw with me / us.
I just don't want to vote into that triangle of I-don't-know.
wbg would be an alternative but I've got more of an stubborn-palmar read than a useless-palmar read and I'd like to lynch someone else d1. If possible someone who's not a vet and leave palmar for d2.
Wiggles and kita didn't say a lot lately so although I (somehow) got a townfeeling out of that much nothing I'd much rather vote someone else.
Mattchew and VE a re both town but I'd rather have someone else in that position imo.
Oh and everyone who got no mention either is hard to judge for me or is not worth a mention. Deal with it :p
Still catching up. I'm reading the last 2 pages, I'm eating and I will post a little bit more if needed. I'll take that as me being too awesome for your judgement or something. I'd like to hear from Foolishness now. What made it seem like a good idea to make Mattchew run for mayor, over equally active people she had more history with? Why is she interested in controlling Bill Murray? actually yeah. I have no idea what you're up to at this point in time. I'm going to quote from my sheet: 7. Cyber_Cheese
I haven o idea
no idea at all I tried several times to get something about you going but I never was able to put something into words. You're like THE nullread I have in this game and I don't know why I have so much trouble to figure you out. Want to to me a faver and tell me real fast who you want to lynch and who's the best mayor in your opinion (other than yourself) ? I don't really want to read your filter again right now  Mayor, I honestly have no idea. I was pretty close to going for Mattchew after he explained how he got to choosing Foolishness. I suppose BC doesn't seem like the bad choice people make him out to be, I feel like he's explained his plan enough. Lynch... Probably VisceraEyes or Risk.Nuke, for starting a mayorial campaign and giving up on it.
“Probably VisceraEyes or Risk.Nuke, for starting a mayorial campaign and giving up on”
Wait what, how does this justify a daykill by any means, without any accusations beforehand whatsoever?? If you’re town, you don’t handle stuff this way. And if you do, don’t blueclaim at the same time. Bullshit.
Don’t believe that it was actually this OMGUS? Look at the posts before his daykillclaim pages 56-57-58. No indication of anything at all. Then boom goes the dynamite.
He continues to make a case out of the OMGUS here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=69#1364
But you can just sense that it’s OMGUS. If you don’t believe me, examine this case.
Speaking of OMGUS:
On January 19 2012 12:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Watch Us!
BC has spent all day with Protact in PMs…and the only thing he's done since then has been to direct the medics to two players - out of forty-some. Has there been any fruits of their labors? Hopefully we find out during D3. If not, BC is playing us false. WATCH HIM!
BM surprised everyone D2 with his choice of incarceration. Lanaia? Really? What was the reason again? Oh that's right - to lower scum KP when that wasn't even possible. Oh wait…it was to keep her from roleblocking. He also scumslipped that there are 2 mafia masons. He's scum. I say lynch him, but if you're unable to do that, WATCH HIM!
Sandroba spent most of D1 trolling in spite of being a lynch candidate. Considered Protact's lynch choice of Ciry to be "the best thing to hit the thread" in spite of it being pretty weak at the time. Protact insists that scum wouldn't drudge up buried analysis - I say that Sandroba absolutely would. If you can't lynch this one, WATCH HIM!
Scamp has spent the majority of the game criticizing others' play. My problem with this is that his play has been nothing to write home about. His advice is "Stop relying on meta." My advice is WATCH HIM!
Lanaia continues to be wishywashy about everything and everyone. Force her to commit to reads and WATCH HER!
Lynch Us!
Jackal has spent most of the game doing…………suddenly got a hair up his ass to lynch me for……………..and that's all he's done. LYNCH HIM!
JayJay has wanted to lynch me since my retard-claim D1. But when discussion about me died, so did JayJay's suspicion of me. He seems to only be suspicious of who's the most suspicious at the time. LYNCH HIM!
Kenpachi….is Kenpachi. His one-liners are not helping town and serve only to keep him from being mod-killed. LYNCH HIM!
He OMGUS jackal because of this ONE post here.
On January 19 2012 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 10:01 Jackal58 wrote:On January 19 2012 09:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Step up and lead town then Jackal! You've got my sword! Go blow your scumshine up somebody elses skirt. I'm just excited because my wife finally procured some [REDACTED] and it's a good motha****** day. But whatever.
He OMGUS me, without any case at all (not counting macpos  ). And I didn’t even attack him that much, just mentioned that he is suspicious to me a couple of times.
Finally, he claimed again. This time, he was shot.
On January 19 2012 12:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Something doesn't feel right.
BM didn't incarcerate L.
Toad got shot.
I got shot.
Bill needs to get in here and tell us who he incarcerated. I'm totally not ruling out the possibility that a vig tried to shoot Toad, but that means that there are only 3 Mafia KP...which means that Bill incarcerated scum last night.
I don't know...something smells fishy.
I actually agree with him here, something’s fishy.
Explanation A) He IS in fact a jack and mafia shot him, which kind of puts a bad light on toad.
Explanation B) Mafia shot Toad and he is falsely claiming. Toad doesn’t seem like a good target from a scum perspective, since he was a lynch candidate. WIFOM possible.
I don’t know how to feel about this. So tell me! What do you guys think about that?
Other than that VE’s filter is full of one liners and random questions.
No case at all (except of CC) and no indications of scumhunting!
Also, let’s take a at VE’s voting on day three.
VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: Sandroba
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler
##Unvote: BloodyC0bbler
##Vote: Bill Murray
##Unvote: Sandroba
##Vote: kingjames01
##Unvote: kingjames01
##Vote: supersoft
##Unvote: Bill Murray
##Unvote: supersoft
##Vote: p4Ndemik
##Unvote: p4Ndemik
##Vote: p4Ndemik
Looks more like a shell game than actually trying to achieve something.
“Hey I am town, I voted for scum at some point.” Yay.
"Hey I am scum and I confuse everyone because I switch my votes every 12 seconds". Yay.
He also voted for all 3 top mayor candidates plus WBG. Surprise. Oh and he advised against a DL, then promotes it. He’s the ultimate Chamaeleon, he blends in everywhere!
FTR: I still think, we have better targets today and I'll stick to my votes for know, but watch him closely, because he is either
SCUM-VE or OMGUS-Chamaeleon-Man, half OMGUS, half Chamaeleon, half man.
Dumdumduuuum
Oh and inb4 OMGUS.
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If you really think VE is scum at this point, we might not be in as good a position as I initially thought
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kitaman27
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Would you please respond to these few remarks BM? Thanks.
On January 14 2012 19:34 Bill Murray wrote:
Are people open to me lynching a mason claim if I come into office? If so, I'll be lynching OpZ or Mattchew.
On January 15 2012 15:46 Bill Murray wrote:
That fucking sucks Matt got modkilled. He was pretty confirmed with his masoning of Foolishness in my eyes.
Uhh, what happened here? He goes from one of your lynch candidates to confirmed town without any reference in between?
+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2012 16:25 Bill Murray wrote:
I have a towntell on someone, as well to top shit off On January 13 2012 16:26 Bill Murray wrote:
I have a legitimate towntell from someone else On January 17 2012 11:53 Bill Murray wrote:
I have a confirmed town, too, pretty much On January 17 2012 20:29 Bill Murray wrote:
kita, in regards to your list of lurkers, I view two of them as town for certain reasons
What is the point of these generic "towntell" posts. Do you think they benefit the thread or do they only serve to make you look good?
On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote:
WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP
Could you explain your reasoning at this point?
Here is the mafia kp chart:
KP - #
4 - 10
4 - 9
4 - 8
3 - 7
On night 1, there were ten mafia alive. Therefore to lower the kp, you would have to jail three different scum players. I'm pretty sure that's not possible.
On January 17 2012 20:20 Bill Murray wrote:
I know Lanaia from IRC, if she's town she's a great scumhunter
Jailing foolishness is a waste when he's definitely going to be protected by a doctor
You clarify it here. So you're protecting her because you thought she was town? I thought it was to reduce the scum kp? Wasn't she on your scum list? Could you please elaborate on your intentions?
On January 17 2012 12:35 Bill Murray wrote:
Ok, guys, I've passed on the names of the BGs to the 2 masons that masoned me
the other guy townslipped in PMs with me
Why are you so trusting with something as important as the BG names?
So now you're claiming madhatter because you want one more day to live. Who is your bomb on? You can't be roleblocked, so there is no harm in revealing.
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Well - I certainly took responsibility for the Palmar lynch, in spite of having ample opportunity to blame WBG for the whole mess. And while superficially it could be argued that I was on-board with the Macpo lynch, I understand that in no way cleanses my erratic behavior. However, my posting has been pretty transparently town, which is what Bum I assume is referring to with his post. I suppose you think my claim was some kind of insane gambit that L and I cooked up for me to get elected? Is that what you want to bring to the table Jayjay?
I get that my play has been erratic - but if you want to point a finger, do it with some feeling JayJay. What, don't want to be the first on the wagon or something? Afraid of voting for me when you don't know what the GENERAL CONSENSUS is of my play?
I'll take your case seriously when you can prove that I have mafia intentions, and you vote for me. Until then, keep your silly theories to yourself JayJay. All you've proven to town is that VE is playing like a crazy person. Raise your hand if that surprises you everyone.
But I'm town, and I'm super serious now. I think the case on kingjames is decent - but his response to the case was much better than p4N's reaction to KJ's case. By far. It could be experience. It could be something more sinister. I'm just after the truth, and ultimately you'll find that's what this has ALL been about for me.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On January 20 2012 06:42 p4NDemik wrote:
flamewheel / jcarlsoniv can we get an accurate vote count? It's very difficult to keep up with double lynch voting already and now that you've said kingjames' count is incorrect I really want to know the current status even more.
Counting now sorry I have class in the day.
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