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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 20 2012 02:02 jaj22 wrote: I'm having doubts about BM too. Maybe OpZ is right and he's just a bad player posting whatever random junk comes into his head. Jitsu: What do you think? Any chance of a mason log? Also I don't like anything in Protact's latest scumread post, which is scaring the shit out of me. I somehow got the same feeling. I think he is right with what he said so far and with most stuff within that post to some degree but I'm scared he might try to buddy me because he knows (?) sandroba won't flip rid. Of course that won't happen because Sandroba will flip red ( :p ) but that's giving me some thoughts right now. Also consider how suspicious I was to him yesterday. Look at what he posted about me and Sandroba. In his paragraph about me he states that he thinks "my case" has something to do with GGQ, yet when he talks about sandroba he says "my case" somehow makes sense given what I said about sandroba influencing BC and he seems to perfectly know that "my case" is the one about sandroba at that point in time. That could totally be a misunderstanding because I can see him thinking I was talking about 2 different cases and therefore thought there got to be another one. Furthermore he says Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. and follows up by saying (in sandrobas part) The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. How is that adding up? He basicly says the fact that I somehow know something I am not supposed to know (which is wrong) makes me look mafia and later on he says the fact that I know that stuff makes sandroba look scumm? Wat? I just don't see how what he says adds up. I am the guy pushing sandroba for AGES and he says the two of us are both mafia? Later on he goes on to say I'm clear and am a townie but still I think it's weird. I'm not saying protact is mafia at all, so far he was right a lot but I am a little scared about his most recent scum-list-post and it makes me thinking. That's again why I'd like to not get a double lynch next cycle. I'd like to see the flips (whoever is going to be lynched) and think about it. | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On January 20 2012 02:03 wherebugsgo wrote: OpZ called BM scum the last time I checked...has something changed? Why the hell are we trusting OpZ anyway? Or BM for that matter? I'm pretty sure this post was a troll unless he changed his mind within half an hour: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13179934 While this one was his "real" opinion on BM: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13179743 And I don't trust him at all, for what it's worth. It's quite possible that both BM and OpZ are scum, and I'd be inclined to put them on the same alignment. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote: @Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC? What? Do YOU want Bill Murray to blow up two of those 3? Analyse Foolishness and Protactinium for yourself. They ARE and HAVE BEEN pro-Town from the beginning. Until that changes they should not be targetted. On January 20 2012 01:21 jaj22 wrote: I'm suggesting that if Bill Murray is telling the truth, he's likely to bomb two of those three. He said so in the claim post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13195276 Looking at Slardar: Wow, this guy is terrible. Trolls most of day 1, complains about attempts to scumhunt, does absolutely no scumhunting himself. Transitions into lurking. ##Vote Slardar Post your scum reads or die. On January 20 2012 02:02 jaj22 wrote: I'm having doubts about BM too. Maybe OpZ is right and he's just a bad player posting whatever random junk comes into his head. Jitsu: What do you think? Any chance of a mason log? Also I don't like anything in Protact's latest scumread post, which is scaring the shit out of me. What about Protactinium's latest post don't you like? Analyse it for us and tell us what you think. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 20 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Jackal: what about BC's play do you find particularly suspicious? On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: going to be heading off to work shortly so I shall throw this up now. I mason'd Protract for this cycle and have been communicating off and on for the day. All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend. As things stand now, ggq/jackal are the two I intend on pushing come the lynch, again barring any new information. All masons playing in pm land but not posting in thread be warned, you will be put up for analysis / lynch if you don't get your act together. He knows better than that. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On January 20 2012 00:49 Toadesstern wrote: I'm not sure if we should vote for double lynch yet. The lynches we're attempting are kind of risky. I am on BM and KJ. If BM turns out green we lynched an office and there's enough people saying there's one mafia within BC/BM and I'd agree with that. If kingjames flips green we got a bunch of players who accused him and actually KJ just dir a case himself. For me the lynches we get tonight are a turning point to see which "side" is right I don't know if I'll be able to make 2 decisions tomorrow. Of course if both flip red that's going to be easy, but if both flip red we surly can take a single-lynch to go on as well because we'd already be in a huge lead. If it's only 1 or 0 reds I don't know if another doublelynch is the way to go. Imo doublelynch is a low-medium risk with 0 gain if it turns out to be the right move and little to medium drawback. I don't think I want that right now Finally, Toadesstern, I have been suspicious of you for a large portion of this game. I pegged you correctly early in TL Mafia XLVIII because of the things you say and do. EVERYONE: Reconsider my case. Actually take some time and look at my posts. Think about the intent behind the words and the effect that they achieved in the game. Think about what would happen if I chose to do or say something different. Think about the different people that I have targetted this game and how I have been working to make sure that: 1) I don't contribute to the myriad of conflicting voices 2) I don't compound any confusion or chaos 3) I keep the Town aware of who I deem to be suspicious or not suspicious Finally, note that if I really wanted to, I could have fallen back on the Macpo lynch easily instead of drawing attention to myself and voting for someone different. In fact, note that I VOTED FOR L who turned out to be the GF. If I wanted to earn credibility by bussing a mafia, why would I choose the GF? Now look at my actual case that I built against p4NDemik and compare his actions and posts to mine. Who is more pro-Town? Who is more likely to be mafia? Vote for p4NDemik | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 20 2012 02:37 kingjames01 wrote: Finally, Toadesstern, I have been suspicious of you for a large portion of this game. I pegged you correctly early in TL Mafia XLVIII because of the things you say and do. wat? I'm cooking right now and I'm only checking tl when I got some time. Is that something good or something bad about me? | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On January 20 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote: That is, what specifically is the most suspicious aspect of his play. To clarify. Please. lately he's been posting this On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend. which I learned is a scum move. for older things, my filter will help. although some reads changed, the BC parts stay. Someone pointed out earlier that he found some scum? Can he show me where? Also, guys, BM is scum and falseclaiming. And I say why: a) I don't see why you would let yourself vote as sheriff if you're a mad hatter. You actually want to die at some point. So why hand yourself in. b) There is no way he has a scum read on both protact and foolishness (on day 2!). This is straight out saying the best scumhunters yet are scum. Which makes no sense as town. Even if you think they're scum, you probably place your bombs some place else. c) "Oh I failed to submit". Yea right. d) "I failed you as a sheriff" indeed e) all this stuff he did before "CC is confirmed scum"; jail desaster laiana, talking shit, see my filter for a little more. HE NEEDS TO DIE. ##Vote: Bill Murray Even in the highly unlikely very worst case he flips town and he blows up foolishness and protact, we'd at least have a confirmation that BC is scum. This case is bad, but there is still a benefit. Why is everybody abandoning GGQ? I still like his case and would like to lynch him. We would learn a lot about sandro and chaos too ##Vote: GGQ. This vote may change though. Finally, no doubly lynch imo. High risk, little reward. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On January 20 2012 02:40 Toadesstern wrote: wat? I'm cooking right now and I'm only checking tl when I got some time. Is that something good or something bad about me? Ah, I actually incorporated what I wanted to say to you directly into the next part. Don't accept lynching me for 'information'. That won't do anything. I will flip and then everyone will argue about what it means and then the next bad lynch will be against Protactinium or Foolishness. Just heed my words and look through my posts. Do some analysis. If you ACTUALLY find something suspicious, then come back and report it. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
@jay what do you think of Protact's assessmentof GGQ; he thinks GGQ is town because of his apologetic post. scum most likely influencing town somehow, no way all of their members are laying down to be destroyed. high profile ppls are suspect. going to analyze BC, BM, sandroba. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On other notes. There are damn too many lurkers who doesn't participate in any discussion. Everytime I look at the roaster I'm chocked. I'm not sure yet if I want to double lynch tomorrow or not. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 20 2012 02:45 kingjames01 wrote: Ah, I actually incorporated what I wanted to say to you directly into the next part. Don't accept lynching me for 'information'. That won't do anything. I will flip and then everyone will argue about what it means and then the next bad lynch will be against Protactinium or Foolishness. Just heed my words and look through my posts. Do some analysis. If you ACTUALLY find something suspicious, then come back and report it. But I want to lynch for information so badly  I'm not even talking about you, it's still about Sandroba. I'm either spot on and people are not trusting me for a reason (= safe sandroba/chainsaw-defence) or I am the town moron this game who's all like "herpaderp, Annul dayvigged a townie, therefore he has to be a townie himself, herpaderp!". I'm dying inside and want to know what's going on. So far my 3 choices are either you (because I kind of trust protact or want to know if I can trust him), BM and Sandroba (because I trust myself and want to know what's going on). Needless to say that Sandroba is the only one I'm having an easy time to put my vote on. You got some drawbacks and BM might end up being town (just like you) but he's our sheriff. That'd be pretty bad. But yeah I'll read your filter and tell you tomorrow what I think about it (19:00 in ger, leaving in 1hour). Voting you because I trust or wan to trust protact isn't exactly a good reason to vote someone so I'll have to check that. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On January 20 2012 03:07 Toadesstern wrote: But I want to lynch for information so badly I'm not even talking about you, it's still about Sandroba. I'm either spot on and people are not trusting me for a reason (= safe sandroba/chainsaw-defence) or I am the town moron this game who's all like "herpaderp, Annul dayvigged a townie, therefore he has to be a townie himself, herpaderp!". I'm dying inside and want to know what's going on. So far my 3 choices are either you (because I kind of trust protact or want to know if I can trust him), BM and Sandroba (because I trust myself and want to know what's going on). Needless to say that Sandroba is the only one I'm having an easy time to put my vote on. You got some drawbacks and BM might end up being town (just like you) but he's our sheriff. That'd be pretty bad. But yeah I'll read your filter and tell you tomorrow what I think about it (19:00 in ger, leaving in 1hour). Voting you because I trust or wan to trust protact isn't exactly a good reason to vote someone so I'll have to check that. After analysing him, I trust him too. Just realize that trusting someone to be pro-Town doesn't equate with that person is instantly correct. If you want to lynch for information, lynch p4NDemik. He's not pro-Town and I'm gunning for him hard now that I've noticed. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On January 20 2012 02:43 Jayjay54 wrote: lately he's been posting this which I learned is a scum move. for older things, my filter will help. although some reads changed, the BC parts stay. Someone pointed out earlier that he found some scum? Can he show me where? Also, guys, BM is scum and falseclaiming. And I say why: a) I don't see why you would let yourself vote as sheriff if you're a mad hatter. You actually want to die at some point. So why hand yourself in. b) There is no way he has a scum read on both protact and foolishness (on day 2!). This is straight out saying the best scumhunters yet are scum. Which makes no sense as town. Even if you think they're scum, you probably place your bombs some place else. c) "Oh I failed to submit". Yea right. d) "I failed you as a sheriff" indeed e) all this stuff he did before "CC is confirmed scum"; jail desaster laiana, talking shit, see my filter for a little more. HE NEEDS TO DIE. ##Vote: Bill Murray Even in the highly unlikely very worst case he flips town and he blows up foolishness and protact, we'd at least have a confirmation that BC is scum. This case is bad, but there is still a benefit. Why is everybody abandoning GGQ? I still like his case and would like to lynch him. We would learn a lot about sandro and chaos too ##Vote: GGQ. This vote may change though. Finally, no doubly lynch imo. High risk, little reward. So, he said he only had 1 bomb out. He said to keep him alive on this. Reading his filter he does not state who is one bomb is on. So we already know if he is lynched today that even if his bomb is on one of those 2 players that 1 will live. However it is interesting that to confirm my alignment you are for the carpet bomb killing of 3 other players. Two of which are actively analyzing and catching reds. Massive FoS on this. Next as to reply to jackal. I am fine with keeping you around another day now. HOWEVER. You have stated that you were herp derping because you had a role you wished to use before dying, thats great. That means you should be turning into the jackal that has no reason to herp derp. Continue doing so will result in me believing you just shot your gf to build cred for yourself as L was dead in the water anyway. You have a day to step it up. on to the current lynches, Kingjames01 is an easy first go. Why? Because he has done near nothing this game until he was actively pushed. Then he stops being helpful till again being pushed. His first bit of "analysis" that wasn't on me came at the point where people said lynch him. If he is required to be lynched to actively "analyze a player" this does not scream best interests of the town. Factor in he was trying to get cred from the "i voted for L, why would I vote for mafia gf if I was red" I would say it was easy to read the thread to know L was going to die sooner or later, having at least 1 member jump on that train now makes sense. As for BM, Claiming to save his life, running for election with a role that requires him dying (the fuck) to activate, his wtf jailing of lanaia with reasoning like On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote: WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA? That would explain why we had 3 mafia KP last night, and not 4 i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack? Note that he said he was trying to jail to lower mafia KP. At that point in time, jailing a red would not have lowered mafia kp (anyone with half a brain would know this). He says he believed to save her from a hit, but someone had already claimed that missing hit in thread. That displayed he was not actually reading properly. I will be voting both of kingjames and bm for now, and heavily watching the thread to see how the day goes. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
First of all, I no longer think Protact is scum. Bill Murray has churned out a large amount of bullshit (he makes WAY too many statements where he slips in the fact that he is implied town for it to be coincidental; he's doing it on purpose) in the past day, and I can't see him being town anymore. As such, I will ##Vote: Bill Murray. I also think Sandroba is scum. He has faded away from the case against him and I don't trust him much. ##Vote: Sandroba | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On January 20 2012 03:07 Toadesstern wrote: But I want to lynch for information so badly I'm not even talking about you, it's still about Sandroba. I'm either spot on and people are not trusting me for a reason (= safe sandroba/chainsaw-defence) or I am the town moron this game who's all like "herpaderp, Annul dayvigged a townie, therefore he has to be a townie himself, herpaderp!". I'm dying inside and want to know what's going on. So far my 3 choices are either you (because I kind of trust protact or want to know if I can trust him), BM and Sandroba (because I trust myself and want to know what's going on). Needless to say that Sandroba is the only one I'm having an easy time to put my vote on. You got some drawbacks and BM might end up being town (just like you) but he's our sheriff. That'd be pretty bad. But yeah I'll read your filter and tell you tomorrow what I think about it (19:00 in ger, leaving in 1hour). Voting you because I trust or wan to trust protact isn't exactly a good reason to vote someone so I'll have to check that. may I suggset lynching the good sir GGQ for information AND catching scums? Sandro made the original D2 case on him and was the first to vote him, iirc. Plus chaos softdefend. we might catch either GGQ and chaos and reestablish sandro. Or sandro looks worse than ever before. But I guess the first option is more likely... I'd agree that he really makes a townish appearance lately, though. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On January 20 2012 03:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So, he said he only had 1 bomb out. He said to keep him alive on this. Reading his filter he does not state who is one bomb is on. So we already know if he is lynched today that even if his bomb is on one of those 2 players that 1 will live. However it is interesting that to confirm my alignment you are for the carpet bomb killing of 3 other players. Two of which are actively analyzing and catching reds. Massive FoS on this. Really, BC? I WANT to blow up three players? yea that I totally suggest that I think that would be good and I want that. Way to put words in my mouths. "Even in the highly unlikely very worst case he flips townand he blows up foolishness and protact, we'd at least have a confirmation that BC is scum. This case is bad, but there is still a benefit." Protact and Foolish are MVPs right now. As I point out in this very post. "both protact and foolishness (on day 2!). This is straight out saying the best scumhunters yet are scum." I want to lynch BM because of various cases on him and the information I state above. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On January 20 2012 02:59 EchelonTee wrote: @jay what do you think of Protact's assessmentof GGQ; he thinks GGQ is town because of his apologetic post. Yea that seemed odd to me. There is so little to defend him and this post doesn't do shit as well. To me, it looked like a last effort to at least get shot instead of being lynched and have his scum team in a minimal way. I agree with hydra on most parts, but that didn't convince me at all. so I keep voting GGQ and I suggest you do the same as he posted nothing to reestablish him | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
##vote GGQ BC, if you could play through day 1 again would you do anything different and if so what? | ||
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