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On January 19 2012 18:30 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 20:16 kingjames01 wrote:
After some consideration, I think it might be best for the Bodyguards to be made public. The Town will fall behind quickly if the mafia take both Bodyguard roles and the elected roles are killed without divulging the names of the Bodyguards.
Here's my analysis on this:
Case 1) 2 x Town Bodyguard
As long as one of the Bodyguards is alive, our elected officials are protected. They will not require protection before the Bodyguards are killed thus freeing a Medic to do something else. If a player dedicates themselves to protecting a Bodyguard until they die, then the elected officials are protected as well.
Case 2) 1 x Town Bodyguard
If the mafia kills the Town Bodyguard then the elected officials are vulnerable. However, if the elected officials are targetted we will have learned that the other Bodyguard is mafia. Not a good trade, but at least we don't come away with nothing.
Case 3) 0 x Town Bodyguard
Here, if either of the elected officials are killed before the Bodyguards are both lynched, we'll have confirmed mafia.
Went through your filter Kingjames and found this interesting. Now that the election is long over, how do you feel about this post(which you posted prior to the election). Still think BG's should claim? Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 11:59 kingjames01 wrote:
I am very vocal about the Bodyguards being made public. What was the purpose? To ensure that we at least come out even if the Mayor and/or Sheriff were killed prematurely.
Vocal meaning?
I never said THEY should claim. I supported the Mayor and/or the Sheriff releasing their names. The reasoning was laid out multiple times. However, I'm satisfied that the names are out there in one form or another.
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On January 19 2012 15:13 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 15:12 kitaman27 wrote:On January 19 2012 15:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You/protact have correctly called out enough scum that if you guys really think Bill is scum I'll go with it Scum. fixed, kita bro you gf by any chance?
I'm pretty sure GF is dead. Lemme check. Yep no pulse.
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On January 19 2012 17:40 p4NDemik wrote:
Protactinium is regularly catching mafia. So yeah, I haven't been calling him out or anything. If he keeps giving targets that flip red I'm going to continue to think he's pretty green. I don't know why this post drew you to me.
Day 1 during the Mayor vote we had like 20 pages of useless Mason talk, so I spoke to that, what little bit I could but mostly I was disappointed as I said it was very difficult to focus on who was the best candidate during that mess. Yes I didn't make a stand at that exact moment but it was very difficult to do so at the time. The thread was in ruins.
Again I don't see what you are trying to prove by showing my reasoning for voting Protactinium for mayor. I feel that while it isn't the most verbose explanation it is very to the point and says exactly why the other candidates were deficient. It doesn't leave anything to the imagination. I wanted to get a mayor who wanted to hang some mafia members and I voted for one who is 2 for 2 thus far.
As for the Palmar thing, yeah it doesn't help so much when you say "I told you so!" after the fact but I couldn't help myself. The lynch Palmar drive based on meta didn't sit well with me and that was another big factor why I voted for Protactinium. I know I made a promise to go through the thread again, but sometimes I just have to get away from this game it is very time consuming as is and eventually you have to pull yourself away to do other things. That said, I feel I just presented a very strong case and we have 2 for-sure mafia who just exposed themselves in BM and supersoft. I trust that town will see these two for what they really are and take them down.
In the next quote I am not using this "I'm a n00b" defense at all. Kitaman raises a question about why I didn't care about masons/Palmar meta discussion and instead only cared about the election. I told him I don't have experience with masons and I have never played with Palmar to know the meta that the lynch was based upon. But I never said "I'm a n00b." You're really grasping at straws here if that's what you got out of it.
Now you list a hoarde of posts that are short questions. I saw what I thought were questionable actions by players. In a few of the cases they were misunderstandings and mistakes in reading what was posted. They were very real. I thought wherebugsgo made a serious slip for a second and voted for him but I was proven wrong and shown that he was just paraphrasing what someone else said. It wasn't obvious and it was quite confusing as there was no context given. Kenpachi swoops in being the troll he is and gets under my skin a little. I'm human. Whoop de doo.
My case against you is not predicated on your support for or against Protactinium. My suspicion against your formed when I read that you thought Nisani presented a "pretty compelling" argument against Protactinium when in fact he did not.
When I then look through the remainder of your posts it becomes clear that you spend an inordinate amount of time committing to nothing, attempting to justify your lynch votes and never any actual scum-hunting.
On January 19 2012 17:46 p4NDemik wrote:
If this is the best mafia can do to discredit me then that's pretty sad. We have them on the ropes townies don't let up on the pressure. BM and supersoft clearly are into some dirty business here.
On January 19 2012 19:47 p4NDemik wrote:
I'm headed to bed please read over my case against supersoft and BM I'm convinced we have a 2 for 2 day here and I hope everyone can see through whatever weak accusations kingjames brought against me. I don't know what his intentions are or if he is trying to get his buddies out of a tight spot but the best part is we've still got like 40 hours to analyze further suspects after we decide on this lynch. We're getting close guys, should have their KP reduced even more very soon!
You're not one of us. Your posts and your actions make that clear.
Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't ever attempt to help to improve the condition/atmosphere of the Town?
Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't ever take a solid stand to outlining your position on major issues?
Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't have not done any real public scum-hunting?
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What to think about toads vet claim, it's possible one of the vigs who died tonight shot him.
It's also possible that he is simply lying about it after he saw two dead vigs and figured it was pretty safe that nobody could prove he was lying.
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1. Mason logs please. Especially if they're realtime like the Sandro/BC one.
2. VE hasn't shot anyone yet? Really? I'm a bit puzzled by the lack of vig shots in general. There are plenty of good targets, and scum are shooting into the midfield. Note that scum may be hiding a roleblocker by roleblocking their kill targets.
3. GGQ's vig-begging post:
On January 18 2012 13:12 GGQ wrote:
Yeah so I hard defended macpo because I thought he posted like I did when I was new.
It's probably better to vig me tonight instead of wasting a lynch.
Ok, what if there's also a jack-medic covering GGQ? Or even BM incarcerating GGQ? The latter might not sound like a good plan because of the KP loss, but scum would effectively be extending the game by a day, increasing their cumulative KP. As a significant side benefit, a scum could plausibly claim medic save or vet.
My main issue with this theory is that I'm sure GGQ could have made a much scummier post if he'd tried.
4. BM's Hatter claim:
Given his list of preferred targets, isn't this blackmail? I suppose he's doing it wrong because he'd be claiming to have two bombs down.
5. Sandroba:
On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1.
Really? I thought his day 2 posting looked like standard town Sandroba. It's not like his post quality is ever that great. Can someone name some recent Sandroba town games? I want to check his meta in case I'm misremembering.
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On January 19 2012 19:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 14:11 Bill Murray wrote:
I didn't get to send in anything last night, and I'm like 80 pages behind on reading
I don't mind being lynched
I've failed you all as a Sheriff On a night where jailing scum would have reduced mafia KP, he didn't incarcerate. Is anyone surprised?
He could have at least pretended...
Now that I recall, L had been roleblocked n1, or claimed it.
Which indicates a lie OR another jat we haven't been informed of.
Wait, BM claimed hatter? WTF.
I think I have to reread him now.
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Okay, I see it now, I straight up missed that part of his post.
Okay, he can definitely have another night based solely on that. We do have others to lynch.
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@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?
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On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote:
@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?
Fuck it, he could be the jack just wanting to use his nightkill. BM dies today.
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On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote:
@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?
Is that what she posted? That's not what it looks like she posted.
Lanaia, BM claims to have one bomb left, and that one is placed. Who would you put his one remaining bomb on if you had control of it? Your thoughts on this matter are important, as you've been pretty waffley with your reads so far. Keep in mind that this isn't a democracy - I'm not asking who you would push for a lynch. I'm asking who you would make explode because by your estimation they're definitely scum.
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I'm not sure if we should vote for double lynch yet.
The lynches we're attempting are kind of risky.
I am on BM and KJ. If BM turns out green we lynched an office and there's enough people saying there's one mafia within BC/BM and I'd agree with that. If kingjames flips green we got a bunch of players who accused him and actually KJ just dir a case himself.
For me the lynches we get tonight are a turning point to see which "side" is right I don't know if I'll be able to make 2 decisions tomorrow. Of course if both flip red that's going to be easy, but if both flip red we surly can take a single-lynch to go on as well because we'd already be in a huge lead.
If it's only 1 or 0 reds I don't know if another doublelynch is the way to go.
Imo doublelynch is a low-medium risk with 0 gain if it turns out to be the right move and little to medium drawback. I don't think I want that right now
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On January 20 2012 00:42 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote:
@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?
Is that what she posted? That's not what it looks like she posted. Lanaia, BM claims to have one bomb left, and that one is placed. Who would you put his one remaining bomb on if you had control of it? Your thoughts on this matter are important, as you've been pretty waffley with your reads so far. Keep in mind that this isn't a democracy - I'm not asking who you would push for a lynch. I'm asking who you would make explode because by your estimation they're definitely scum.
Slardar. Without a doubt, slardar would be bombed if it were up to me.
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On January 19 2012 20:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'd like to hear Jitsu's take on the night-kills, actually. Jitsu what are your thoughts on what happened overnight?
On January 19 2012 12:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
L the Mafia Godfather (would check as Medic) has been killed.
Liquid`Sheth the Vigilante has been killed.
Adam4167 the Vigilante has been killed.
Usually I don't look at night kills; it's too WIFOM to really garner that much information, I think.
As far as that goes, though, I think it should take a benefit to look at OpZ again. He was starting to garner some interest in his play, than when he was called out, he showed up, than disappeared again. I haven't seen him in awhile. Sheth posted a huge thing on him.
Sup OpZ? Where you been?
Not sure of BM's claim. If he really is the Mad Hatter, where is the negative to him waiting one more night to plant his last bomb? Death triggers his KP, so why not just lynch him tomorrow and focus our attention on other players?
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On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote:
@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?
Hmmm..Are you suggesting he is Mafia? Or that he is just going to kill two of those three, willy-nilly?
Mafia has no Mad Hatter role.
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Just a question: Why don't we get to know who was masoned each night by EVERYONE?
I don't want to see logs, I want to confirm the masons. No harm in telling us the names is there? BC already told us but I forgot that and have to look it up again...
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I'm suggesting that if Bill Murray is telling the truth, he's likely to bomb two of those three. He said so in the claim post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13195276
Looking at Slardar:
Wow, this guy is terrible. Trolls most of day 1, complains about attempts to scumhunt, does absolutely no scumhunting himself. Transitions into lurking.
##Vote Slardar
Post your scum reads or die.
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On January 20 2012 00:39 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote:
@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?
Fuck it, he could be the jack just wanting to use his nightkill. BM dies today.
I'm pretty sure he's town. I'm pretty sure he's a bad lynch. I'm pretty sure scum is driving this wagon.
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And where the hell is our esteemed mayor at?
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I'm having doubts about BM too. Maybe OpZ is right and he's just a bad player posting whatever random junk comes into his head.
Jitsu: What do you think? Any chance of a mason log?
Also I don't like anything in Protact's latest scumread post, which is scaring the shit out of me.
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On January 20 2012 02:02 jaj22 wrote:
I'm having doubts about BM too. Maybe OpZ is right and he's just a bad player posting whatever random junk comes into his head.
Jitsu: What do you think? Any chance of a mason log?
Also I don't like anything in Protact's latest scumread post, which is scaring the shit out of me.
OpZ called BM scum the last time I checked...has something changed?
Why the hell are we trusting OpZ anyway? Or BM for that matter?
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