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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 19 2012 18:41 GMT
#2681
On January 20 2012 03:37 vaderseven wrote:
K. Read the entire thread now. First, we need to lynch GGQ today. His entire play style is anti town. He pokes holes in things and never helps. It is actually that simple.

##vote GGQ

BC, if you could play through day 1 again would you do anything different and if so what?


Restructure the mason discussion to have less clutter day 1. Aside from that not to much at all.
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7595 Posts
January 19 2012 18:48 GMT
#2682
Sorry for overlurking, posting this at work no less.

I sort of liked where Sheth was going with ~OpZ~ suspicion, also only him and Macpo supported voting for L's candidacy. Our current elects are about as lurker as I am, which is confusing to say the least. Lynching OpZmight give us light on BloodyC0bbler as well, didn't they mason each other?

##Vote: ~OpZ~

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 19 2012 18:50 GMT
#2683
On January 20 2012 02:25 kingjames01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote:
@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?

What? Do YOU want Bill Murray to blow up two of those 3? Analyse Foolishness and Protactinium for yourself. They ARE and HAVE BEEN pro-Town from the beginning. Until that changes they should not be targetted.

That was my point. I should probably make those clearer.

On January 20 2012 02:25 kingjames01 wrote:
What about Protactinium's latest post don't you like? Analyse it for us and tell us what you think.

Ok. I forgot about a couple of bits that I was fine with, so my statement was inaccurate. Here goes:

On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
GGQ is cool.

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 13:12 GGQ wrote:
Yeah so I hard defended macpo because I thought he posted like I did when I was new.

It's probably better to vig me tonight instead of wasting a lynch.


Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia.
Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches.
Nobody lynch him today, keke?

I covered this in another post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13201470

On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game.

This is absolutely true except that BM had a really spammy patch in day 2, so I'm not too sure about the frequency point yet. In TL Mafia XXII his post count crashes at the end of day 2 and stays low.

On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
Toadesstern
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 10:56 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p
However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say.
The only ones I like right now are people you are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p


Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here?

Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch.

What? Toad was trying to protect his scumbuddy GGQ and get his scumbuddies Sandroba and Macpo lynched instead? I don't buy the Palmar lynch influence knowledge point because it's quite plausible that Toad just jumped to a conclusion. I don't think it's even an illogical conclusion from the "compromise" post.

I'm guessing this is a pressure case because Protact can't get a read out of Toad's filter any more than I can

On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol.

I thought Sandroba's day 2 posting was better if anything. At least less trolly. Which mayor candidate was going to lynch Ciryandor? I thought Protactinium settled on Macpo. The Palmar lynch influence is a red mark but there was a plausible narrative based on Sandro's posts in the thread and the mason log.

Still not sure about Sandroba personally. I found a couple of his other town games: His LotR (town) filter looks much like his scum play, which this game does too, but his Mini Mafia X (town) posting was vastly superior. Actual care and effort put into posting. If he doesn't raise his game here I'll consider voting for him.

On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play.

This meta-read is beyond me. Any other vets want to comment on Bum?

Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 19 2012 18:54 GMT
#2684
I start to agree that we should still lynch GGQ.
Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia.
Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches.
Nobody lynch him today, keke?


The mayor point here is that protact says "no mafia would do such a thing". Here's the point: Townies won't do such a thing as well. The post we're talking about has NOTHING in it to determine his alignment. Yes Mafia won't ask to be vigged, neither will townies. It's bad for both.
The only thing of interest should be portacts first line. As mentioned I only have 15mins left and I can't look in his filter right now. Of someone pointed out GGQ is defending macpo before GGQ made that post that line is useless as well.

fancy conclusion:
This is not a alignment-tell. It is, if at all a nooby-tell. The question should be: Is he really a town-nooby or is he a mafia willing to look like a nooby to not have a mafia stamp on his forehead.
Furthermore we can't allow these kind of things. Same goes to BM. If we treat those posts as legitimate defences because "hey look, no mafia would post a such a thing" we're opening a bottomless pit because we're allowing every mafia to just post something along the lines "hey sry, wasn't my best game, you probably should just lynch me to see if I'm bad or mafia to get over this discussion".
Who's able to tell the difference between lurkers who are told by their mafia buddies to make a post like this and lurkers who really are just bad? Sure the moment someone like BC would post something like that I'd want to see him hanging but we're talking about new guys here. I'll also look into his filter later on, however:
Next guy who does a post like that is to be lynched imo
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 19 2012 18:58 GMT
#2685
On January 20 2012 03:50 jaj22 wrote:
I'm guessing this is a pressure case because Protact can't get a read out of Toad's filter any more than I can


That easy:
Whole town thinks I'm town? - Lynch me
Half of town thinks I'm mafia and the rest is not sure? - I'm town and a bunch of crazy people jumped out of nowhere, focusing on somethin I posted that made them think I meant something completly different and they stick with that.

Has been that way ALL THE TIME.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 19 2012 19:07 GMT
#2686
On January 20 2012 03:50 jaj22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 02:25 kingjames01 wrote:
On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote:
@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?

What? Do YOU want Bill Murray to blow up two of those 3? Analyse Foolishness and Protactinium for yourself. They ARE and HAVE BEEN pro-Town from the beginning. Until that changes they should not be targetted.

That was my point. I should probably make those clearer.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 02:25 kingjames01 wrote:
What about Protactinium's latest post don't you like? Analyse it for us and tell us what you think.

Ok. I forgot about a couple of bits that I was fine with, so my statement was inaccurate. Here goes:

Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
GGQ is cool.

On January 18 2012 13:12 GGQ wrote:
Yeah so I hard defended macpo because I thought he posted like I did when I was new.

It's probably better to vig me tonight instead of wasting a lynch.


Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia.
Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches.
Nobody lynch him today, keke?

I covered this in another post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13201470

Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game.

This is absolutely true except that BM had a really spammy patch in day 2, so I'm not too sure about the frequency point yet. In TL Mafia XXII his post count crashes at the end of day 2 and stays low.

Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
Toadesstern
On January 19 2012 10:56 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p
However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say.
The only ones I like right now are people you are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p


Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here?

Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch.

What? Toad was trying to protect his scumbuddy GGQ and get his scumbuddies Sandroba and Macpo lynched instead? I don't buy the Palmar lynch influence knowledge point because it's quite plausible that Toad just jumped to a conclusion. I don't think it's even an illogical conclusion from the "compromise" post.

I'm guessing this is a pressure case because Protact can't get a read out of Toad's filter any more than I can

Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol.

I thought Sandroba's day 2 posting was better if anything. At least less trolly. Which mayor candidate was going to lynch Ciryandor? I thought Protactinium settled on Macpo. The Palmar lynch influence is a red mark but there was a plausible narrative based on Sandro's posts in the thread and the mason log.

Still not sure about Sandroba personally. I found a couple of his other town games: His LotR (town) filter looks much like his scum play, which this game does too, but his Mini Mafia X (town) posting was vastly superior. Actual care and effort put into posting. If he doesn't raise his game here I'll consider voting for him.

Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play.

This meta-read is beyond me. Any other vets want to comment on Bum?



I would agree with the meta read on bum primarily because he actually tries to contribute to town discussion and scumhunting when he is town. So far he (like most players in this game) has done very little.

Bum also tends to shy away from spotlight when he is scum. This is very unlike his play, for example, from steamship or any other game where he is town.
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 19 2012 19:09 GMT
#2687
@Slardar: Ok, that's a good start. Now post more reads. We're double-lynching today and you've got a lot of scumcred to counter.

That applies to all those other lurkers too. You know who you are.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 19 2012 19:10 GMT
#2688
On January 20 2012 03:58 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 03:50 jaj22 wrote:
I'm guessing this is a pressure case because Protact can't get a read out of Toad's filter any more than I can


That easy:
Whole town thinks I'm town? - Lynch me
Half of town thinks I'm mafia and the rest is not sure? - I'm town and a bunch of crazy people jumped out of nowhere, focusing on somethin I posted that made them think I meant something completly different and they stick with that.

Has been that way ALL THE TIME.


That second option is....pretty specific. So lynch you when everyone thinks your town? Why, because that's what happened last game? You keep coming back to last game you were scum. Why is that? You're using meta from your scum game to try and incriminate Sandroba. You allude to your last scum game in an attempt to defend yourself by saying "Whole town thinks I'm town? - Lynch me" Why would you say that as town? Why would you say that if you had nothing to hide? That doesn't make any sense. You're posting like flailing scum Toad, that's why people are suspicious, and I'm officially one of them.

Incoming!!
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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
January 19 2012 19:10 GMT
#2689
On January 20 2012 03:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 02:43 Jayjay54 wrote:
On January 20 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
That is, what specifically is the most suspicious aspect of his play. To clarify. Please.


lately he's been posting this

On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend.


which I learned is a scum move. for older things, my filter will help. although some reads changed, the BC parts stay. Someone pointed out earlier that he found some scum? Can he show me where?



Also,

guys, BM is scum and falseclaiming. And I say why:

a) I don't see why you would let yourself vote as sheriff if you're a mad hatter. You actually want to die at some point. So why hand yourself in.

b) There is no way he has a scum read on both protact and foolishness (on day 2!). This is straight out saying the best scumhunters yet are scum. Which makes no sense as town. Even if you think they're scum, you probably place your bombs some place else.

c) "Oh I failed to submit". Yea right.

d) "I failed you as a sheriff" indeed

e) all this stuff he did before "CC is confirmed scum"; jail desaster laiana, talking shit, see my filter for a little more.

HE NEEDS TO DIE. ##Vote: Bill Murray

Even in the highly unlikely very worst case he flips town and he blows up foolishness and protact, we'd at least have a confirmation that BC is scum. This case is bad, but there is still a benefit.

Why is everybody abandoning GGQ? I still like his case and would like to lynch him. We would learn a lot about sandro and chaos too ##Vote: GGQ. This vote may change though.

Finally, no doubly lynch imo. High risk, little reward.


So, he said he only had 1 bomb out. He said to keep him alive on this. Reading his filter he does not state who is one bomb is on. So we already know if he is lynched today that even if his bomb is on one of those 2 players that 1 will live. However it is interesting that to confirm my alignment you are for the carpet bomb killing of 3 other players. Two of which are actively analyzing and catching reds. Massive FoS on this.

Next as to reply to jackal. I am fine with keeping you around another day now. HOWEVER. You have stated that you were herp derping because you had a role you wished to use before dying, thats great. That means you should be turning into the jackal that has no reason to herp derp. Continue doing so will result in me believing you just shot your gf to build cred for yourself as L was dead in the water anyway. You have a day to step it up.

on to the current lynches, Kingjames01 is an easy first go. Why? Because he has done near nothing this game until he was actively pushed. Then he stops being helpful till again being pushed. His first bit of "analysis" that wasn't on me came at the point where people said lynch him. If he is required to be lynched to actively "analyze a player" this does not scream best interests of the town. Factor in he was trying to get cred from the "i voted for L, why would I vote for mafia gf if I was red" I would say it was easy to read the thread to know L was going to die sooner or later, having at least 1 member jump on that train now makes sense.

As for BM, Claiming to save his life, running for election with a role that requires him dying (the fuck) to activate, his wtf jailing of lanaia with reasoning like

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote:
WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP
Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed
WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA?
That would explain why we had 3 mafia KP last night, and not 4
i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack?


Note that he said he was trying to jail to lower mafia KP. At that point in time, jailing a red would not have lowered mafia kp (anyone with half a brain would know this).

He says he believed to save her from a hit, but someone had already claimed that missing hit in thread. That displayed he was not actually reading properly.


I will be voting both of kingjames and bm for now, and heavily watching the thread to see how the day goes.



I respect your mafia play and I know that you are attempting to draw me into an extended conflict and ruin any chances we have to actually scum-hunt. Because of this, I will concede your twisted interpretation of my play without engaging you directly on that front.

However, I need to point out to everyone that BloodyC0bbler is trying to force me to make excuses. I make none.

But, I will counter you, BC, on this point: what will you have gained when I don't flip red? Where do you go next?

My final assertion to the Town is as follows: I have been attempting to draw a hit during the Night.

I have been a continued voice of reason rather than a seeder of dissension. I have pointed out logical inconsistencies between words and actions. I have ensured that if I were to be shot at night, that my suspects will be known.

I don't need to be the loudest or the most active player, as long as my presence cannot be erased easily.

In essence, my game plan all along has been to force the mafia to silence me.

It is my duty and honour to soak up a shot so that our scum hunters and power roles can continue to work unfettered. Factor that into your analysis of me.

Now that it is obvious that the mafia is attempting to mislynch me today rather than to shoot me at night I must change tacks and point out that my actions have all been pro-Town. Indeed, I am Town-aligned.

That is what matters here.

Vote for p4NDemik.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
January 19 2012 19:24 GMT
#2690
On January 20 2012 04:10 kingjames01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 03:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On January 20 2012 02:43 Jayjay54 wrote:
On January 20 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
That is, what specifically is the most suspicious aspect of his play. To clarify. Please.


lately he's been posting this

On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend.


which I learned is a scum move. for older things, my filter will help. although some reads changed, the BC parts stay. Someone pointed out earlier that he found some scum? Can he show me where?



Also,

guys, BM is scum and falseclaiming. And I say why:

a) I don't see why you would let yourself vote as sheriff if you're a mad hatter. You actually want to die at some point. So why hand yourself in.

b) There is no way he has a scum read on both protact and foolishness (on day 2!). This is straight out saying the best scumhunters yet are scum. Which makes no sense as town. Even if you think they're scum, you probably place your bombs some place else.

c) "Oh I failed to submit". Yea right.

d) "I failed you as a sheriff" indeed

e) all this stuff he did before "CC is confirmed scum"; jail desaster laiana, talking shit, see my filter for a little more.

HE NEEDS TO DIE. ##Vote: Bill Murray

Even in the highly unlikely very worst case he flips town and he blows up foolishness and protact, we'd at least have a confirmation that BC is scum. This case is bad, but there is still a benefit.

Why is everybody abandoning GGQ? I still like his case and would like to lynch him. We would learn a lot about sandro and chaos too ##Vote: GGQ. This vote may change though.

Finally, no doubly lynch imo. High risk, little reward.


So, he said he only had 1 bomb out. He said to keep him alive on this. Reading his filter he does not state who is one bomb is on. So we already know if he is lynched today that even if his bomb is on one of those 2 players that 1 will live. However it is interesting that to confirm my alignment you are for the carpet bomb killing of 3 other players. Two of which are actively analyzing and catching reds. Massive FoS on this.

Next as to reply to jackal. I am fine with keeping you around another day now. HOWEVER. You have stated that you were herp derping because you had a role you wished to use before dying, thats great. That means you should be turning into the jackal that has no reason to herp derp. Continue doing so will result in me believing you just shot your gf to build cred for yourself as L was dead in the water anyway. You have a day to step it up.

on to the current lynches, Kingjames01 is an easy first go. Why? Because he has done near nothing this game until he was actively pushed. Then he stops being helpful till again being pushed. His first bit of "analysis" that wasn't on me came at the point where people said lynch him. If he is required to be lynched to actively "analyze a player" this does not scream best interests of the town. Factor in he was trying to get cred from the "i voted for L, why would I vote for mafia gf if I was red" I would say it was easy to read the thread to know L was going to die sooner or later, having at least 1 member jump on that train now makes sense.

As for BM, Claiming to save his life, running for election with a role that requires him dying (the fuck) to activate, his wtf jailing of lanaia with reasoning like

On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote:
WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP
Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed
WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA?
That would explain why we had 3 mafia KP last night, and not 4
i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack?


Note that he said he was trying to jail to lower mafia KP. At that point in time, jailing a red would not have lowered mafia kp (anyone with half a brain would know this).

He says he believed to save her from a hit, but someone had already claimed that missing hit in thread. That displayed he was not actually reading properly.


I will be voting both of kingjames and bm for now, and heavily watching the thread to see how the day goes.



I respect your mafia play and I know that you are attempting to draw me into an extended conflict and ruin any chances we have to actually scum-hunt. Because of this, I will concede your twisted interpretation of my play without engaging you directly on that front.

However, I need to point out to everyone that BloodyC0bbler is trying to force me to make excuses. I make none.

But, I will counter you, BC, on this point: what will you have gained when I don't flip red? Where do you go next?

My final assertion to the Town is as follows: I have been attempting to draw a hit during the Night.

I have been a continued voice of reason rather than a seeder of dissension. I have pointed out logical inconsistencies between words and actions. I have ensured that if I were to be shot at night, that my suspects will be known.

I don't need to be the loudest or the most active player, as long as my presence cannot be erased easily.

In essence, my game plan all along has been to force the mafia to silence me.

It is my duty and honour to soak up a shot so that our scum hunters and power roles can continue to work unfettered. Factor that into your analysis of me.

Now that it is obvious that the mafia is attempting to mislynch me today rather than to shoot me at night I must change tacks and point out that my actions have all been pro-Town. Indeed, I am Town-aligned.

That is what matters here.

Vote for p4NDemik.


shouldn't blueclaiming be a meassure of last resort? chillax. you got a few votes on you, there's some other candidates and BM is virtually dead.

if you're really town, you already gave scum a minor victory, just cause you freaked out...
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
January 19 2012 19:32 GMT
#2691
I never blueclaimed.

Also, I just did a quick count of the votes and I'm second-in-line with 5 votes. sandroba is 3rd with 4 votes. That means at any time, the mafia can seal my fate. If I'm going to argue to stay in the game, I have to do it now, not later.

I have one last thing up my sleeve but I will see how the day goes before I use it.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 19 2012 20:03 GMT
#2692
at this point it's pretty damning of kingjames to be so fervently pushing a random lynch we've never heard of.

Granted, this is exactly what he did in XLVIII, just always pushing random people who never had a chance of being lynched. Knowing this, though, it becomes hard to determine whether he is actually scum or just playing like he normally does

At this point I don't care because I don't think kingjames is the best kill for today. I'd much rather we kill BM and Toad.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
January 19 2012 20:06 GMT
#2693
On January 20 2012 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
at this point it's pretty damning of kingjames to be so fervently pushing a random lynch we've never heard of.

Granted, this is exactly what he did in XLVIII, just always pushing random people who never had a chance of being lynched. Knowing this, though, it becomes hard to determine whether he is actually scum or just playing like he normally does

At this point I don't care because I don't think kingjames is the best kill for today. I'd much rather we kill BM and Toad.


It's not random and you have heard of it. From me. Perhaps you just missed it.

You should go back and look at what I am pointing out. I've given quite detailed analyses as to why he has demonstrated mafia behaviour. Just take a look through the analysis and see what you think. It's quite apparent once you read through p4NDemik's history.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 19 2012 20:13 GMT
#2694
On January 20 2012 05:06 kingjames01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
at this point it's pretty damning of kingjames to be so fervently pushing a random lynch we've never heard of.

Granted, this is exactly what he did in XLVIII, just always pushing random people who never had a chance of being lynched. Knowing this, though, it becomes hard to determine whether he is actually scum or just playing like he normally does

At this point I don't care because I don't think kingjames is the best kill for today. I'd much rather we kill BM and Toad.


It's not random and you have heard of it. From me. Perhaps you just missed it.

You should go back and look at what I am pointing out. I've given quite detailed analyses as to why he has demonstrated mafia behaviour. Just take a look through the analysis and see what you think. It's quite apparent once you read through p4NDemik's history.


to be honest with you I haven't paid much attention to him. He's made a couple of questionable posts in terms of what he's actually looking for, but I don't think that makes him scum, just new.

The way he attacked me for what I was saying drew a lot of attention to him. I don't think as scum he would have done that.

I will be rereading the thread today again anyway, so I'll try to see if what you're saying has any merit.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 19 2012 20:15 GMT
#2695
On January 20 2012 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
at this point it's pretty damning of kingjames to be so fervently pushing a random lynch we've never heard of.

Granted, this is exactly what he did in XLVIII, just always pushing random people who never had a chance of being lynched. Knowing this, though, it becomes hard to determine whether he is actually scum or just playing like he normally does

At this point I don't care because I don't think kingjames is the best kill for today. I'd much rather we kill BM and Toad.


Do you think BM is lying about hatterism?


Toad's bothering me a bit. He keeps asserting himself as town because he's pegged people correctly. It's gotten to the point of overemphasis.
Tell me, guys, is this typical of town?
To me, it feels overeager. How I usually hunt scum is by looking for people who are overeager.
Toad is one of these people.
Gut is yelling at me to lynch him.
But gut alone probably will get me into trouble (as it has repeatedly before).

I'm voting Slardar.
I'm also going to vote GGQ because this has been a long time coming and I feel it is in our best interests to do so.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 19 2012 20:20 GMT
#2696
On January 20 2012 05:15 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
at this point it's pretty damning of kingjames to be so fervently pushing a random lynch we've never heard of.

Granted, this is exactly what he did in XLVIII, just always pushing random people who never had a chance of being lynched. Knowing this, though, it becomes hard to determine whether he is actually scum or just playing like he normally does

At this point I don't care because I don't think kingjames is the best kill for today. I'd much rather we kill BM and Toad.


Do you think BM is lying about hatterism?


Toad's bothering me a bit. He keeps asserting himself as town because he's pegged people correctly. It's gotten to the point of overemphasis.
Tell me, guys, is this typical of town?
To me, it feels overeager. How I usually hunt scum is by looking for people who are overeager.
Toad is one of these people.
Gut is yelling at me to lynch him.
But gut alone probably will get me into trouble (as it has repeatedly before).

I'm voting Slardar.
I'm also going to vote GGQ because this has been a long time coming and I feel it is in our best interests to do so.


you actually believe his claim?

Honestly I don't believe I've found one thing that BM has said this entire game that makes a shred of sense.

As for Toad, yes, it's very atypical for townies. Why the hell are you voting slardar? Have you even had a scumread on him? Just use logic and common sense and build a case on Toad instead of voting random people.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 19 2012 20:30 GMT
#2697
On January 20 2012 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
at this point it's pretty damning of kingjames to be so fervently pushing a random lynch we've never heard of.

Granted, this is exactly what he did in XLVIII, just always pushing random people who never had a chance of being lynched. Knowing this, though, it becomes hard to determine whether he is actually scum or just playing like he normally does

At this point I don't care because I don't think kingjames is the best kill for today. I'd much rather we kill BM and Toad.


I'm going to go ahead and step in here WBG. I don't think it's damning at all to bring up "a random lynch we've never heard of" . Talk about the content of the case if you disagree with him. Do you find kingjames suspicious independently or are you just talking trash because some have expressed suspicion on him? Your basing your entire read, again, on meta if you say it's independent, and your meta reads are clearly fucking shit bro.

I suggest you speak to the content of his case. Maybe you'll see something I've missed. p4N's filter is pretty terribad. You're saying you disagree that the guy who spent 3 pages worth of clarifying why you were "speaking in third person" is suspicious? Are you going to do this right now WBG? AM I GONNA HAVE TO SMACK A BITCH WBG? AM I?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 19 2012 20:35 GMT
#2698
*ahem*

I mean...

##Vote: p4Ndemik
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 19 2012 21:02 GMT
#2699
On January 20 2012 05:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 05:15 Lanaia wrote:
On January 20 2012 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
at this point it's pretty damning of kingjames to be so fervently pushing a random lynch we've never heard of.

Granted, this is exactly what he did in XLVIII, just always pushing random people who never had a chance of being lynched. Knowing this, though, it becomes hard to determine whether he is actually scum or just playing like he normally does

At this point I don't care because I don't think kingjames is the best kill for today. I'd much rather we kill BM and Toad.


Do you think BM is lying about hatterism?


Toad's bothering me a bit. He keeps asserting himself as town because he's pegged people correctly. It's gotten to the point of overemphasis.
Tell me, guys, is this typical of town?
To me, it feels overeager. How I usually hunt scum is by looking for people who are overeager.
Toad is one of these people.
Gut is yelling at me to lynch him.
But gut alone probably will get me into trouble (as it has repeatedly before).

I'm voting Slardar.
I'm also going to vote GGQ because this has been a long time coming and I feel it is in our best interests to do so.


you actually believe his claim?

Honestly I don't believe I've found one thing that BM has said this entire game that makes a shred of sense.

As for Toad, yes, it's very atypical for townies. Why the hell are you voting slardar? Have you even had a scumread on him? Just use logic and common sense and build a case on Toad instead of voting random people.

He never makes any sense. That's the joy of playing with BM. I'll entertain the thought that Macpo was bussed hard by his teammates and by that line of reasoning I could vote for a BM lynch. But lynching him because he makes no sense makes no sense. Foolishness, Proactinium (At least the Incognito half), bumatlarge and BloodyC0bbler all know this. If BM flips red I shall have to reconsider everything I'm thinking so far in this game.
Life can only kill you once.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 19 2012 21:06 GMT
#2700
This might be of interest later on:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 15 2012 12:20 flamewheel wrote:
Day 1 Election Vote Tally

Votes for Bill Murray (11) Second
Macpo
Toadesstern
rgTheSchworz
Jackal58
GiygaS
Munk-E
EchelonTee
Nisani201
Mr. Wiggles
Ciryandor
kitaman27

Votes for kitaman27 (1)
evantrees

Votes for BloodyC0bbler (11) First
Meapak_Ziphh
risk.nuke
GGQ
zeks
Lanaia
glurio
Cyber_Cheese
Foolishness
supersoft
wherebugsgo
VisceraEyes
sandroba (didn't actually vote in voting thread)

Votes for Protactinium (10)
Palmar
Adam4167
Kurumi
Cwave
Liquid`Sheth
Jayjay54
Jitsu
p4NDemik
bumatlarge
blahz0r

Votes for supersoft (1)
Bill Murray

Votes for L (2)
~OpZ~
Scamp

Votes for wherebugsgo (2)
Kenpachi
Slardar

Votes for VisceraEyes (1)
L

Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (1)
BloodyC0bbler

BloodyC0bbler is elected as Mayor and Bill Murray is his new Sheriff.

There are a lot of non-voters. Chaosquo is excused for this cycle, but to my count that still leaves...
kingjames01
BrownBear
igabod (PM'd me saying he wants to be replaced; no reason why)
Erandorr (PMed me saying he wants to be replaced; not an acceptable reason why)
Protactinium
rtgICEMAN
Maxella


Reminder to myself to update this in the future.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
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