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On January 19 2012 15:23 bumatlarge wrote:
Meapak is clearly scum. His GGQ push is just one big crutch for him. Just read his last two posts.
##Vote meapak_ziphh
Hey bum glad you decided to start playing.
Actually let's just get this out of the way. Can anyone who is suspicious of me please vote for me now? I'd like to get a headcount so I can address all your concerns. I've seen my name thrown out a couple times and I'm baffled so if you'd just do that we can put this to rest once and for all.
Now bum. You say my case is one giant crutch. Do you agree or disagree with my case? Why is it a crutch? I've shared plenty of other reads. True I haven't persued any to lynch but that's because I feel GGQ is the best option. I already promised that tomorrow I would have an analysis of opz. Other than a spat with toad I've helped keep the thread on track. Besides, GGQ isn't the only thing I've posted a lot about. I've also worked against lynching protact and sandroba. You call me out for being willing to vote with protact/foolishness. Why not? They've collectively called out three confirmed scum and I agree with the majority of their reads. Is it scummy to agree with someone who's making sense?
Now let's contrast that with you bum. You've done nothing since day one. You ran a halfassed campaign for mayor, you were missing from the discussion yesterday. Other than me what are you reads? You don't even have a proper case against me, just a lame little "clearly scum becuz crutch" which as I've pointed out makes no sense. Please reread the thread and figure out what's going on bum because at the moment you have zero credibility.
Alright next!
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On January 19 2012 12:06 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
L died, Yagami Light wins.
No, no, I was mafia, which makes me Raito for this game.
Watari wins.
GL everyone :3
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I think L was probably supporting me in hopes that in case he did flip you would question my claim taking a hit tonight. Just throwin that out there.
On January 19 2012 15:23 bumatlarge wrote:
Meapak is clearly scum. His GGQ push is just one big crutch for him. Just read his last two posts.
##Vote meapak_ziphh
I don't know what you mean by this post. Meapak has come across as pretty effing town, and saying something like "clearly scum" indicates a certainty that two posts can hardly instill. Can you elaborate on "one big crutch"?
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I've gone through the entire Protactinium posting history for this game and these guys absolutely shine. They establish their innocence quickly and decisively. If this was their mafia ploy then I have been taken in completely.
It isn't that they are picking the right players to target, it's that they go right to the crux of the post itself. They are scumhunting based on intent which is the right way to play.
The only thing that I can conclude is that Protactinium is pro-Town.
HOWEVER, when reading through their posts, I am VERY surprised that they missed p4NDemik. They quoted the exact post that made me look at his filter. I am repeating it here:
p4NDemik reveals his true nature
On January 17 2012 06:02 p4NDemik wrote:
Nisani your argument is actually pretty compelling. I'm also extremely suspicious of Protactinium now. Especially considering that Ciryandor actually was "torn" about voting for him after he came on so hard for his own lynch. Prot came on hard with a long accusation, to which Ciryandor posted no reply for 2 days. I don't understand why Prot wouldn't find it suspicious at all that someone who he so adamantly accused a day ago was now considering his corner without even speaking to his accusation. I feel like one thing that very consistently annoys town (especially someone who is trying to be high-profile and win an election) is when their questions go unanswered, and we have a clear cut case of it here. Even if your focus changes to another person who you think is more likely mafia you still don't let someone completely off the hook like that.
Nisani's argument was not compelling. This was just an attempt to establish a base-line for future votes. In fact, after this brief period of doubt, p4NDemik never EVER again engages Protactinium.
Let's all take a look through his filter together:
A statement that says he has no real position on anything.
On January 14 2012 10:43 p4NDemik wrote:
OK so I just finished reading everything from the start of the game yesterday to this point in time. I hate getting behind like this as last game I played I was a sub and was even farther in the dark. Nevertheless moving forward!
So, I'm going to side-step all this mason talk a bit because I have never played a mafia game with this role. I don't know whether it is stronger in the hands of town or in the hands of mafia etc. The only thing I'll say about it is that mass-claim sounds like a really bad idea to me. Whatever power (that I have yet to see in action) we take out of the mafia's hands we give them more in that they have an even better picture about town structure and where other blue roles may lie.
I'd like to discuss who I'm going to support for mayor but honestly all of this mason talk has completely sidetracked my thought process while reading and now I'm gonna have to go back and go through filters. Before BC came out as mayor I have to admit I was leaning towards his corner but now I'm going to reassess everyone's candidacies before I cast my ballot.
Provides an excuse to cast a vote with no real substance.
On January 15 2012 10:14 p4NDemik wrote:
It's taking me like 2-3 hours a day to catch up on what I've missed while I slept and was out during the day. -_-
Anyways its due time to be voting for mayor and I'm going to throw in my vote for Protactinium. For reasons very similar to Sheth's I'm happy to vote for someone who isn't distracting town with this discussion about masons, isn't idiotically outing himself, or had his initial candidacy proposed by someone other than himself. He seems focused on getting mafia and that's what I want in a mayor.
The obligatory "I KNEW Palmar was Town!" post. Also a 'promise' to scum-hunt which we will see has no truth to it.
On January 15 2012 16:36 p4NDemik wrote:
Quite funny as miller he was acting exactly like his apparent scum meta (or so said WBG and crew).
Every time you guys went to meta it just further cemented in my mind he wasn't. If he was mafia surely he would change something up, whereas he was so unabashedly arrogant about his style it seemed clear it was either a) an intentional play to get a rise out of fellow vets and gauge their reaction, or b) he really just didn't want to deal with this nearly 60 page clusterfuck that was day 1.
Tomorrow I'll have to look through all the cases built against Palmar to see if there is actually anything to glean from this but I really doubt there is much. At the least though it should help get some reads on his accusers.
The "Don't look at me! I don't know really know what I'm doing" post.
On January 16 2012 07:36 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:30 kitaman27 wrote:
p4NDemik's motives seem questionable. I'm curious why he made your town list BM. His entire focus on day one is selecting a mayoral candidate and doesn't mention who he is suspicious of or would like to get lynched. Since someone pointed out earlier that my filter wasn't working correctly I'll provide it here. Hopefully that works, otherwise I'm not sure why it wouldn't be functioning properly. I'm not sure how I'm really confirmed town in anyone's eyes either as I've been more or less fairly inactive compared to many of the veterans that post in here. You're right in that pretty much my only focus was the election and I explained my reasoning for that: I've never played in a game with masons, I don't have personal experience to draw upon in the argument as to whether it is a role used better in the hands of town or mafia, and due to this I found the whole debate about them to be quite detrimental to what should have been the main goal in my mind. There was also a large fuss made about this Palmar lynch which however WBG want's to portray it was, in my eyes, 100% based on a meta that I had no knowledge of and therefore didn't care to speak to, either for or against. I don't see how my focus on the mayoral election is really a bad thing. I wish we had more of it and less extraneous mason talk now.
Next we'll see that he has a very long string of posts where all he does is question other players with no real intent to find scum. These ones are especially funny.
On January 16 2012 15:27 p4NDemik wrote:
evantrees what the hell just happened a few posts ago you are saying how its too early for a double lynch now you're voting for it all of the sudden.
On January 17 2012 06:10 p4NDemik wrote:
Protactinium can you speak to why you didn't follow up at all on your original plan to lynch Ciryandor? No follow-up questions after he became active like a day and a half after you accused him? Going back your campaign looks like 100% presentation with little actual pro-town behavior going on in between them. I'm a bit ashamed now that I actually got caught up in those big flashy posts and didn't question you actions (or lack there of) in between.
On January 17 2012 08:22 p4NDemik wrote:
Toad can you please be less ambiguous are you talking about Proact or Sandro?
On January 17 2012 08:41 p4NDemik wrote:
WBG why are you all of the sudden posting in 3rd person? That's like the most suspicious thing I've ever seen lol. Now I need to read your entire filter.
On January 17 2012 09:02 p4NDemik wrote:
Repeat. wherebugsgo: Why are you all of the sudden posting in 3rd person?
On January 17 2012 09:06 p4NDemik wrote:
People speaking in 3rd person is odd in all walks of life man.
You haven't done anything similar to this all game so I find it very strange.
On January 17 2012 09:10 p4NDemik wrote:
And you referred to yourself in the 3rd person, even if you weren't narrating the entire post that was it is a marked diversion from how you were previously posting and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit I say!
On January 17 2012 09:20 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:18 Kenpachi wrote:On January 17 2012 09:10 p4NDemik wrote:
And you referred to yourself in the 3rd person, even if you weren't narrating the entire post that was it is a marked diversion from how you were previously posting and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit I say! what the fuck. are you joking or something No. I'm most definitely getting carried away with this but I'm not joking.
This one even comes with an appeal to sympathy. "Stop picking on me! I don't get it!"
On January 17 2012 09:34 p4NDemik wrote:
Kenpachi can you stop trying to make me feel like I'm an idiot and explain to me why I am an idiot. Actually explain anything please because you seem to have done nothing in the grand scheme of things.
The remainder of his posts can be summarized as follows:
+ Show Spoiler +
That's right, a real load of nothing. No real comment on the state of the game or its atmosphere. Some superfluous scum-hunting. More justification to cast his vote.
Conclusion:
p4NDemik is mafia.
PS. Protactinium I did a quick check. I didn't play in TL Mafia XXXVIII. That doesn't invalidate your argument, I assume that you made a mistake on the number of the game.
On January 17 2012 06:19 Protactinium wrote:kingjames In this game, kingjames proposes that bodyguards be made public, posts a consideration that BC may be the mafia jack, and then disappears. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 09:14 kingjames01 wrote:
Also, consider for the moment, that BC may be mafia Jack.
If he uses his Mason power on Day 1 to establish his credibility and then is subsequently elected to office, we will not be able to find the mafia Jack.
It is a risk, but I know that BC will take that risk. He is very much a medium-risk, high-reward player.
EVERYONE! WHAT HAPPENS IF BLOODYC0BBLER IS MAFIA JACK?
I consider this scenario involving BC to be within his bag of tricks, and I will not vote to elect him into office.
A fear mongering post that asks what happens if BC is red, with no opinion or followup. Another case of apathy. Contrast this with TL Mafia XXXVIII where instantly gives strong opinions on some of the proposed policy plans (random lynching, zodiac lists), immediately jumps into trying to find mafia, posts some detailed analyses, and does a lot of poking and prodding. In this game, kingjames does not attempt to find mafia. He instead discusses outing bodyguards, and casts doubt on BC without providing any opinion. The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned.
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United States13896 Posts
Protactinium is regularly catching mafia. So yeah, I haven't been calling him out or anything. If he keeps giving targets that flip red I'm going to continue to think he's pretty green. I don't know why this post drew you to me.
Day 1 during the Mayor vote we had like 20 pages of useless Mason talk, so I spoke to that, what little bit I could but mostly I was disappointed as I said it was very difficult to focus on who was the best candidate during that mess. Yes I didn't make a stand at that exact moment but it was very difficult to do so at the time. The thread was in ruins.
Again I don't see what you are trying to prove by showing my reasoning for voting Protactinium for mayor. I feel that while it isn't the most verbose explanation it is very to the point and says exactly why the other candidates were deficient. It doesn't leave anything to the imagination. I wanted to get a mayor who wanted to hang some mafia members and I voted for one who is 2 for 2 thus far.
As for the Palmar thing, yeah it doesn't help so much when you say "I told you so!" after the fact but I couldn't help myself. The lynch Palmar drive based on meta didn't sit well with me and that was another big factor why I voted for Protactinium. I know I made a promise to go through the thread again, but sometimes I just have to get away from this game it is very time consuming as is and eventually you have to pull yourself away to do other things. That said, I feel I just presented a very strong case and we have 2 for-sure mafia who just exposed themselves in BM and supersoft. I trust that town will see these two for what they really are and take them down.
In the next quote I am not using this "I'm a n00b" defense at all. Kitaman raises a question about why I didn't care about masons/Palmar meta discussion and instead only cared about the election. I told him I don't have experience with masons and I have never played with Palmar to know the meta that the lynch was based upon. But I never said "I'm a n00b." You're really grasping at straws here if that's what you got out of it.
Now you list a hoarde of posts that are short questions. I saw what I thought were questionable actions by players. In a few of the cases they were misunderstandings and mistakes in reading what was posted. They were very real. I thought wherebugsgo made a serious slip for a second and voted for him but I was proven wrong and shown that he was just paraphrasing what someone else said. It wasn't obvious and it was quite confusing as there was no context given. Kenpachi swoops in being the troll he is and gets under my skin a little. I'm human. Whoop de doo.
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If this is the best mafia can do to discredit me then that's pretty sad. We have them on the ropes townies don't let up on the pressure. BM and supersoft clearly are into some dirty business here.
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mafia should surrender no?
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United States13896 Posts
Where's the fun in that though? Kenpachi please explain your vote it makes 0.0000000000 sense at all.
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On January 19 2012 17:47 Kenpachi wrote:
mafia should surrender no?
By your vote I assume you harbor suspicions of me. Please let me know what they are so I can address them.
Anyway I'm going to bed, see you all tomorrow.
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Holy activity-spike-when-GF-dies-Batman!
##Unvote: supersoft
##Vote: p4Ndemik
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VE I thought you agreed with my case against BM and supersoft. Why are you recanting that so quickly?
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On January 13 2012 20:16 kingjames01 wrote:
After some consideration, I think it might be best for the Bodyguards to be made public. The Town will fall behind quickly if the mafia take both Bodyguard roles and the elected roles are killed without divulging the names of the Bodyguards.
Here's my analysis on this:
Case 1) 2 x Town Bodyguard
As long as one of the Bodyguards is alive, our elected officials are protected. They will not require protection before the Bodyguards are killed thus freeing a Medic to do something else. If a player dedicates themselves to protecting a Bodyguard until they die, then the elected officials are protected as well.
Case 2) 1 x Town Bodyguard
If the mafia kills the Town Bodyguard then the elected officials are vulnerable. However, if the elected officials are targetted we will have learned that the other Bodyguard is mafia. Not a good trade, but at least we don't come away with nothing.
Case 3) 0 x Town Bodyguard
Here, if either of the elected officials are killed before the Bodyguards are both lynched, we'll have confirmed mafia.
Went through your filter Kingjames and found this interesting.
Now that the election is long over, how do you feel about this post(which you posted prior to the election).
Still think BG's should claim?
On January 16 2012 11:59 kingjames01 wrote:
I am very vocal about the Bodyguards being made public. What was the purpose? To ensure that we at least come out even if the Mayor and/or Sheriff were killed prematurely.
Vocal meaning?
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##Unvote: p4Ndemik
V________<
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On January 19 2012 13:01 p4NDemik wrote:
Secondly, he just latches on to another case when explaining his vote (keep in mind even cybercheese didn't feel strongly enough to vote for Chaosquo), this feels like a lazy cop-out for having to post an explanation.
Wat?
Blatantly untrue...
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I'm not saying you never voted for him, I'm saying at the time that supersoft voted for him you were no longer voting for him.
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On January 19 2012 14:11 Bill Murray wrote:
I didn't get to send in anything last night, and I'm like 80 pages behind on reading
I don't mind being lynched
I've failed you all as a Sheriff
On a night where jailing scum would have reduced mafia KP, he didn't incarcerate. Is anyone surprised?
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To extrapolate on that point:
He voted for lynching Chaosquo like 1 hour before the deadline, a full 6 hours after you had decided yourself that it wasn't the best option and instead opted for Bill Murray. He piggy backs on your original argument randomly when even you aren't still pushing for the Chaosquo lynch.
If he is going down the road of "I trust CC's way of thinking" its even more odd that he would follow your original line of thinking but be so sheepish about continuing to follow you into voting for Bill Murray. Instead he opts to make the weakest defense ever and can't even put together the slightest semblance of reasoning for why he is doing so.
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I'm headed to bed please read over my case against supersoft and BM I'm convinced we have a 2 for 2 day here and I hope everyone can see through whatever weak accusations kingjames brought against me. I don't know what his intentions are or if he is trying to get his buddies out of a tight spot but the best part is we've still got like 40 hours to analyze further suspects after we decide on this lynch. We're getting close guys, should have their KP reduced even more very soon!
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I'd like to hear Jitsu's take on the night-kills, actually. Jitsu what are your thoughts on what happened overnight?
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