EPTOn January 20 2012 09:26 Jackal58 wrote:
Game is easier if you actually read it.
Game is easier if you actually read it.
his post was on the previous page, I just read this last one and was like wtf what did I miss lololol
I see it now.
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
his post was on the previous page, I just read this last one and was like wtf what did I miss lololol I see it now. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Would you consider my putting you on the lynch-list justified for the (succinct) reason I gave in my pre-dawn post? Would you consider my reasoning to be "OMGUS"? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 20 2012 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote: lol this is what I'm talking about. This is like the most random vote I've ever seen. Plus, the only justification is "I'm a confirmed townie so I can do this and heavy FoS on WBG" No reason. No logic. the logic behind that is that you're doing bullshit. I don't see a single reason why you should STILL want to see me dead. I was shot by mafia, KP is missing, noone else claimed a shot (except for VE but it's 2 shots missing). You're just wrong and I can't believe it's wrong for the good. This time it's just way too off to still be acceptable. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On January 20 2012 08:38 GGQ wrote: The second vote is trickier, I'm considering supersoft and p4ndemic, but I'm not enthusiastic about lynching kingjames. No one seems to have noted that cyber_cheese's activity level is sharply decreased this day phase, which only furthers my suspicions of him.? I'll just point out this softdefend right here. Might get handy. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 20 2012 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Jackal, I'd actually like you to weigh in on this: you came in and apologized for your 'bad play' up until this point, justifying it with 'I have a gun yo I didn't wanna get shot!' Would you consider my putting you on the lynch-list justified for the (succinct) reason I gave in my pre-dawn post? Would you consider my reasoning to be "OMGUS"? Everybody puts me on their lynch lists on day one. Everybody tells me to "do something" on day one. I've yet to figure out wtf to do on day one. Unless I'm scum. Then I know exactly what to do. I called your reasons for voting Mapco on day 1 scummy. I still think they were. Later during the night phase I appeared on a scum list you posted that included town reads and others you saw as scummy. I did not at that time nor do I now see that as something I would call a classic OMGUS. But I'm not the one you have to convince. That would be Jay Jay. Atm I am still leaning towards scum with you. However I am also wondering if I am pulling a GMarshall and defending every scum player coming up for lynch. This game has way to many people openly connected with each other at a very early stage for me to believe they are all scum. Yet if those connections started to become apparent to me on day 3 or later I would have no problems with calling them all out as scum. And I'd be right most of the time. But I have never seen a game start like this before. It is confusing me. Sensory overload I suppose. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 20 2012 09:41 Jackal58 wrote: [...] Atm I am still leaning towards scum with you. However I am also wondering if I am pulling a GMarshall and defending every scum player coming up for lynch.[...] That's actually exactly what I'm thinkin myself :p I defended palmar and everyone wanted him to die. I thought you are town and everyone else thinks you're mafia and now out of the sudden everyone thinks you're fine. I am pushing sandroba instead of other people. I could literally be the town moron. I want to see sandroba flip so badly for that purpose. I mean is there anyone having a problem with lynching sandroba at this time? Anyone? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
And furthermore, I couldn't care less about "convincing JayJay"...it's town I have to convince. JayJay is attempting to discredit any scumhunting I've done by reducing it simply to OMGUS when that's just clearly not the case. No one's biting, and for that I'm thankful - but I don't want that kind of ridiculous nonsense IN THE THREAD because it's very obviously meant ONLY to discredit anything I say. Notice how JayJay hasn't even come forth and said whether he thinks I'm scum or not? He put me on his watch list. I put him on my LYNCH list...because I think he's scum, and because I want him lynched. The only reason I don't have a vote on him is because he's VERY NOT on any of the influential townies' radar yet. YET. I have a feeling he'll be up there soon enough though. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On January 20 2012 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote: He put me on his watch list. I put him on my LYNCH list...because I think he's scum, and because I want him lynched. The only reason I don't have a vote on him is because he's VERY NOT on any of the influential townies' radar yet. YET. I have a feeling he'll be up there soon enough though. man, I thought you weren't omgsing seriously. this is a OMGUS. there is literally no case. If you say something like that, you must have a case or at least an arguement backed up. "I think he is scum" is not an arguement. then I can say something about what you've written and we're good. or we're not. and I am not on townies radar yet, because only macpo made a case. there is no other feel free to make one. generating discussions only helps town. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 20 2012 09:36 p4NDemik wrote: I'd really like to see those logs wbg btw if possible. It seems very convenient that he masoned L but couldn't get him to talk. And it feels odd that he feels it necessary to give an excuse immediately after that. I also never brought his activity level into question in the first place. I actually never ended up saving all the logs. This is all I have: + Show Spoiler + [12:39] <supersoft> hi [12:39] <wherebugsgo> hey [12:39] <wherebugsgo> ok so [12:39] <supersoft> wait, I just came home etc. [12:39] <wherebugsgo> Jackal I think is town [12:40] <supersoft> yay [12:40] <supersoft> 10 more pages [12:40] <wherebugsgo> lolol [12:41] <wherebugsgo> I'm not sure about BC man [12:41] <supersoft> sucks that we wont be able to communicate after the nightkills [12:42] <wherebugsgo> yeah :/ [12:42] <supersoft> hmm [12:42] <wherebugsgo> we should devise a way [12:42] <wherebugsgo> to communicate [12:42] <wherebugsgo> like [12:42] <supersoft> last game he had this DT/Vig plan [12:42] <supersoft> this game he discusses the masons to death [12:42] <wherebugsgo> first letter of every post or something rofl [12:42] <wherebugsgo> yeah but [12:42] <wherebugsgo> iunno [12:42] <wherebugsgo> actually now that I think about it [12:43] <wherebugsgo> his play is no different [12:43] <wherebugsgo> he had no real lynch target last time [12:43] <supersoft> ahhhhh [12:43] <supersoft> good idea [12:43] <supersoft> but [12:43] <supersoft> first letter [12:43] <supersoft> :D [12:43] <supersoft> we need a lot of posts [12:43] <wherebugsgo> first letter of every line? [12:43] <wherebugsgo> lol [12:43] <wherebugsgo> nah [12:43] <supersoft> hmm [12:43] <supersoft> :D [12:43] <wherebugsgo> could start a post with a keyword [12:43] <wherebugsgo> and like [12:43] <supersoft> no [12:43] <wherebugsgo> the last line is the message [12:43] <supersoft> i got an easy way [12:44] <supersoft> a = 3 [12:44] <supersoft> b = g [12:44] <supersoft> c = a [12:44] <wherebugsgo> wtf lol [12:44] <supersoft> lol [12:44] <supersoft> but [12:44] <supersoft> etc. [12:44] <wherebugsgo> hmmm [12:44] <wherebugsgo> LOL [12:44] <wherebugsgo> I'll do a bunch of gibberish [12:44] <wherebugsgo> aslkdjadslkajdlak [12:44] <wherebugsgo> = [12:45] <wherebugsgo> WTF THIS GUY IS SCUM KILL HIM [12:45] <wherebugsgo> lool [12:45] <supersoft> :D [12:46] <supersoft> i mean [12:46] <supersoft> most of the time we got no reason to hide what we say [12:46] <supersoft> i'd be comfortable to talk like his in the thread [12:46] <supersoft> but once i start posting single words [12:46] <wherebugsgo> yeah agreed [12:46] <supersoft> the hosts and fellowplayers will be pretty angry [12:46] <wherebugsgo> we should [12:47] <wherebugsgo> spontaneously start a discussion [12:47] <wherebugsgo> in the middle of the day lol [12:47] <supersoft> for important things [12:47] <supersoft> like if we fake something [12:47] <supersoft> e.g. [12:47] <wherebugsgo> do yo uhave yesterday's logs? [12:47] <supersoft> you fake vig [12:47] <supersoft> no lol :D [12:47] <wherebugsgo> fuuuuu [12:47] <wherebugsgo> I don't either lol [12:47] <wherebugsgo> I'm noob [12:47] <supersoft> meh [12:47] <wherebugsgo> oh w/e [12:47] <supersoft> i thought you save them [12:48] <wherebugsgo> forgot lol [12:48] <supersoft> it's just a lot of "omg Palmar is so deep red" [12:48] <wherebugsgo> LOL [12:48] <supersoft> and "wtf?!" [12:48] <wherebugsgo> yeah it's kinda useless now [12:48] <wherebugsgo> but protact [12:48] <wherebugsgo> BC [12:48] <wherebugsgo> opz [12:48] <wherebugsgo> like they all seem weird to me [12:48] <supersoft> kkk lets filter these guys [12:48] <wherebugsgo> I don't get a "this guy is town" read on anyone except like Jackal [12:48] <supersoft> BM [12:49] <supersoft> is kind of town in my eyes [12:49] <wherebugsgo> hmmm [12:49] <wherebugsgo> maybe [12:49] <wherebugsgo> kita is almost town to me [12:49] <wherebugsgo> problem is that he always looks the same [12:49] <wherebugsgo> even as scum lol [12:49] <supersoft> phew kita... [12:50] <supersoft> I had lanaya on my townlist, too [12:50] <wherebugsgo> iunno [12:50] <supersoft> the only female player you know [12:50] <wherebugsgo> you can't tell [12:50] <wherebugsgo> what she is [12:50] <wherebugsgo> I didn't know who she was a couple months ago so I talked to curu [12:51] <supersoft> okay wait. Let's make a short list of players [12:51] <supersoft> we work through and discuss [12:51] <supersoft> BC, Prot, opz [12:51] <wherebugsgo> ok [12:51] <wherebugsgo> BC what I don't like [12:51] <supersoft> :D [12:51] <wherebugsgo> is he didn't comment on Palmar [12:51] <wherebugsgo> before lynching him [12:51] <wherebugsgo> otherwise I'm mostly ok with BC [12:52] <supersoft> that is correct. Someone pointed that out in the thread [12:52] <supersoft> i think it was toadesstern [12:52] <supersoft> ". Really weak opinion and taking his own responsibility out of the equation, because he wasn’t the one who pushed for Palmar." - jayjay [12:52] <supersoft> it was jayjay [12:52] <wherebugsgo> ok yeah [12:53] <wherebugsgo> that guy I think is town too [12:53] <wherebugsgo> all the noobies [12:53] <wherebugsgo> who keep talking in the thread [12:53] <wherebugsgo> look pretty town [12:53] <supersoft> 5) Hydra Talks a billion times about why to lynch BC, makes a good case. Gets my vote, I go to sleep and he switches to Macpo? Nice. That doesn’t exactly convey trust. I don’t like it. [12:53] <supersoft> there is some good stuff in his post [12:53] <wherebugsgo> LOL [12:53] <supersoft> we had this point yesterday [12:53] <wherebugsgo> yeah bumatlarge immediately "regreted" his thing [12:54] <wherebugsgo> his vote for protact [12:54] <supersoft> ah no toadesstern wants to lynch you [12:54] <wherebugsgo> idc [12:54] <supersoft> kurumi [12:54] <wherebugsgo> he's not going to be able to lynch me [12:55] <supersoft> I fucking regret voting Protact. - kurumi [12:55] <wherebugsgo> I think kurumi is scum [12:55] <wherebugsgo> idk why [12:55] <wherebugsgo> or no actually [12:55] <wherebugsgo> he's too active [12:55] <supersoft> naah [12:55] <supersoft> yes [12:55] <supersoft> his jokes etc. [12:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah [12:55] <supersoft> he does that as town a lot [12:55] <wherebugsgo> yep [12:55] <wherebugsgo> so he's town [12:56] <supersoft> etc. [12:56] <supersoft> "are you the singing kind of guy" [12:56] <wherebugsgo> LOL [12:56] <supersoft> mhm i think so :D [12:57] <supersoft> risk.nuke [12:58] <wherebugsgo> you think he's suspicious? [12:58] <supersoft> i am undecided [12:58] <supersoft> he played terrible last game [12:58] <supersoft> idk [12:58] <supersoft> his mayoral campaign [12:59] <wherebugsgo> I think he's townish [12:59] <supersoft> it somehow fits in his [12:59] <supersoft> overconfident [12:59] <supersoft> townstyle [12:59] <wherebugsgo> ye [12:59] <supersoft> okay [12:59] <wherebugsgo> this post: [12:59] <wherebugsgo> Yeah, when a person is about to face lynching thats a different situation but I shouldn't need to explain everything as if you were in kindergarten most people here are adults with a higher then average iq. Saying you have a townread on someone who isn't under suspicion or face the threat of a lynch is superbad townplay. Saying you have a townread on someone under suspicion is also bad play because if they are under suspicion that's great. That means they won't ge [12:59] <wherebugsgo> makes him look town [13:00] <supersoft> okay good [13:00] <supersoft> i am sorting the players right now [13:00] <supersoft> :-P [13:02] <supersoft> ahm i need your opinion on toadesstern [13:03] <wherebugsgo> let me reread his posts real quick [13:03] <supersoft> he has this huge posts style [13:03] <supersoft> so annying to read through [13:05] <supersoft> he got 6 pages... [13:05] <supersoft> what the fuck. I list him as unable to read. [13:05] <wherebugsgo> yeah [13:06] <wherebugsgo> I just noticed LOL [13:06] <supersoft> okay [13:06] <wherebugsgo> he looks [13:06] <wherebugsgo> more town than scum to me [13:07] <supersoft> maybe i mason him [13:07] <supersoft> he's german [13:07] <supersoft> I will be able to interview him [13:07] <wherebugsgo> yes [13:07] <supersoft> if he's scum it'll be really tough [13:07] <wherebugsgo> yes] [13:07] <wherebugsgo> you knew his alignment [13:07] <wherebugsgo> in my/incog's game? [13:08] <supersoft> yes [13:08] <wherebugsgo> ok [13:08] <wherebugsgo> his posts [13:08] <wherebugsgo> look somewhat similar [13:08] <wherebugsgo> but iunno [13:08] <supersoft> yes [13:08] <supersoft> these long posts [13:08] <wherebugsgo> like I'm not 100% sure [13:09] <wherebugsgo> can you find any post [13:09] <wherebugsgo> that you find by him to be suspicious [13:10] <supersoft> I still agree with sandroba about the mass claim however. [13:10] <supersoft> I'm going with sheth here. It's nice that we got this discussion going and got some information we can work with but I'd like toget back to our mayor candidates. [13:10] <wherebugsgo> oh shit [13:10] <supersoft> everything [13:10] <wherebugsgo> sandro [13:11] <supersoft> is so [13:11] <supersoft> pfff [13:11] <wherebugsgo> sandro was the one who wanted mass claim [13:11] <wherebugsgo> ? [13:11] <wherebugsgo> WTF [13:11] <wherebugsgo> why did I not notice that [13:11] <wherebugsgo> we should kill him [13:11] <supersoft> mhm [13:11] <supersoft> :D [13:11] <supersoft> you told me he deserves a second chance [13:11] <supersoft> :D [13:11] <wherebugsgo> he hasn't done anything [13:11] <supersoft> yes [13:11] <wherebugsgo> yeah [13:11] <wherebugsgo> well [13:12] <wherebugsgo> he got his second chance [13:12] <supersoft> his second chance is tomorrow [13:12] <wherebugsgo> lol exactly [13:12] <wherebugsgo> tonight too [13:12] <supersoft> at the end of the day he's either active or dead [13:12] <wherebugsgo> bet you he'll post something really small [13:12] <wherebugsgo> before end of night [13:13] <wherebugsgo> foolishness? [13:13] <wherebugsgo> what do you think of him [13:13] <supersoft> haha probably [13:13] <supersoft> nothing [13:13] <supersoft> i've never played with him [13:13] <wherebugsgo> hmm same :/ [13:13] <supersoft> surpisingly [13:13] <supersoft> i [13:13] <wherebugsgo> nah we played XLIV [13:13] <wherebugsgo> he was in that game [13:13] <supersoft> i dont remember [13:13] <supersoft> yes but [13:14] <wherebugsgo> he caught mig day 1 [13:14] <supersoft> ahhh [13:14] <supersoft> that game [13:14] <supersoft> i remember [13:14] <supersoft> yes [13:14] <supersoft> uh thats a long time ago [13:14] <wherebugsgo> that was my first game lol [13:15] <wherebugsgo> ok my question is [13:15] <supersoft> kk [13:15] <wherebugsgo> why did toad have a stubborn Palmar read [13:15] <wherebugsgo> when there was no reason to believe so [13:15] <wherebugsgo> how does a noob [13:15] <wherebugsgo> have a better read on Palmar [13:15] <wherebugsgo> than me + you + Jackal? [13:15] <supersoft> okay [13:15] <supersoft> thats a valid point [13:15] <supersoft> makes him pretty scummy [13:16] <supersoft> i really think there is no reason to think that palmar was town [13:16] <wherebugsgo> he voted BM too [13:16] <wherebugsgo> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=57#1122 [13:17] <supersoft> hmm brb [13:19] <wherebugsgo> his first post [13:19] <wherebugsgo> about how he thinks someone is scum [13:19] <wherebugsgo> came just now [13:19] <wherebugsgo> about sandro or bum [13:19] <wherebugsgo> and he still says nothing [13:27] <supersoft> well okay [13:27] <supersoft> i guess i wont mason him [13:27] <supersoft> its better to mason someone [13:28] <supersoft> i can discuss the game with [13:28] <wherebugsgo> yes [13:28] <wherebugsgo> well you could if you want [13:28] <wherebugsgo> to confirm him as scum [13:28] <supersoft> hmm [13:29] <supersoft> you think i should [13:29] <wherebugsgo> I dunno [13:29] <wherebugsgo> it's up to you [13:29] <wherebugsgo> who would you mason instead? [13:30] <supersoft> L ? [13:31] <wherebugsgo> sure that works [13:31] <wherebugsgo> you could mason Foolish [13:31] <wherebugsgo> if he's alive [13:31] <supersoft> okay [13:31] <supersoft> i guess its better to chose one of these active people [13:32] <wherebugsgo> kita maybe [13:32] <supersoft> naah [13:33] <wherebugsgo> ok LoL match brb [13:34] <supersoft> :D [13:35] <supersoft> same here [13:35] <supersoft> lol [13:35] <supersoft> sorry ^_^ [14:23] <supersoft> okay sorry [14:23] <supersoft> can you copy paste me the dialogue? ^^ [14:44] <wherebugsgo> ? [14:44] <supersoft> everything we talked about like 1 hour ago :D [14:45] <wherebugsgo> I'll send it by pm | ||
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Toadesstern
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[13:02] <supersoft> ahm i need your opinion on toadesstern [13:03] <wherebugsgo> let me reread his posts real quick [13:03] <supersoft> he has this huge posts style [13:03] <supersoft> so annying to read through [13:05] <supersoft> he got 6 pages... [13:05] <supersoft> what the fuck. I list him as unable to read. [13:05] <wherebugsgo> yeah [13:06] <wherebugsgo> I just noticed LOL [13:06] <supersoft> okay [13:06] <wherebugsgo> he looks [13:06] <wherebugsgo> more town than scum to me [13:07] <supersoft> maybe i mason him [13:07] <supersoft> he's german [13:07] <supersoft> I will be able to interview him that actually made me laugh but I'd be totally up for being maosned. Supersoft gogogo! Still reading the rest. | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On January 20 2012 09:49 Toadesstern wrote: I defended palmar and everyone wanted him to die. I thought you are town and everyone else thinks you're mafia and now out of the sudden everyone thinks you're fine. Because Jackal, in his own words, superderped for two days. Since (almost certainly) shooting L, he's played properly. Thinking he was town before he shot L is suspicious. I am pushing sandroba instead of other people. I could literally be the town moron. I want to see sandroba flip so badly for that purpose. I mean is there anyone having a problem with lynching sandroba at this time? Anyone? Apparently Sandroba doesn't have a problem with this because he hasn't posted for two days. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
That's it? Really? Ok I'll rething my 2nd vote tomorrow, don't know who I'll vote yet but I'm probably going to stick with sandroba. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 20 2012 10:21 Toadesstern wrote: Ok let's get this straight. I've got EVERY SINGLE read like you have/ had, even those I never told you guys because at some point I just stopped telling you because noone was listening. Now I find out that I'm even with you on those ones I never said made a huge deal about (like jackal, kita) and essentially it comes all down to me being to confident and having a better read on palmar than you guys have although I'm a new guy? That's it? Really? Ok I'll rething my 2nd vote tomorrow, don't know who I'll vote yet but I'm probably going to stick with sandroba. sry, that was directed at wbg but again: Just stop tunneling me. Give me a plausible reason why you want me to die that is NOT "I don't think a noob is capable of what you're telling us" because that's literally what it comes down to from what I see in your most recent posts. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 20 2012 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote: You still do? In spite of the fact that, by your request, I went and looked for myself and found analysis that HAD NOT been touched on before? Do you consider that to be scummy? Because I mean, calling me out on something is one thing - but the reaction should hold just as much weight as the action in my opinion - because they are independent actions anyway. As scum I'd have a whole plethora of choices available to me - is the fact that the choice I made, to go look for myself, find information on my own, bring that to the thread BEFORE he flipped scum and stick with it scummy to you? And furthermore, I couldn't care less about "convincing JayJay"...it's town I have to convince. JayJay is attempting to discredit any scumhunting I've done by reducing it simply to OMGUS when that's just clearly not the case. No one's biting, and for that I'm thankful - but I don't want that kind of ridiculous nonsense IN THE THREAD because it's very obviously meant ONLY to discredit anything I say. Notice how JayJay hasn't even come forth and said whether he thinks I'm scum or not? He put me on his watch list. I put him on my LYNCH list...because I think he's scum, and because I want him lynched. The only reason I don't have a vote on him is because he's VERY NOT on any of the influential townies' radar yet. YET. I have a feeling he'll be up there soon enough though. Chill man. I'm just observing now. For what its worth I see about 20 people as scummy right now. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 20 2012 10:21 jaj22 wrote: Because Jackal, in his own words, superderped for two days. Since (almost certainly) shooting L, he's played properly. Thinking he was town before he shot L is suspicious. Apparently Sandroba doesn't have a problem with this because he hasn't posted for two days. No it isn't. Many here recognize my play on day one as being next to useless. | ||
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supersoft
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On January 20 2012 10:35 supersoft wrote: sorry toad. I already masoned someone else. He isn't answering, too btw. I send that guy a message like 10 hours ago. I'll stop masoning scummy people. I hate to wait. | ||
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