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On September 21 2010 02:39 rastaban wrote:
@BB, I disagree with you saying a no lynch is bad, I think it actually makes sense. Maybe I am wrong but I think it should be discussed.
I played SC2 all yesterday so thats why I didn't get much done in this thread. sorry
Regarding the slip up, I don't think we should bandwagon on it but I think we shouldn't dismiss it either. In PYP DTA slipped up day one by mentioning exactly how many members there were and it was forgotten. While the makes assumptions the mafia knows it to be true, so even though that game DTA was defended since everyone assumed there were 4 mafia they would have been less likely to say it being as they at least a little bit know that things could be slightly different.
That said I don't even know that this is a slip up since for it to be one then both players would have to be scum. It seems he is replying tho the BB's insinuated accusation that since the post is bad he is scum. Pyrr says well he doesn't post any better when he is town.
So I guess the TLDR would be that we shouldn't weight it too heavy but keep it in mind and if one is red the other is more likely to be red as well.
I'm not saying that he is clearly scum because of this slip, although I could see how it could be insinuated. I'm merely saying exactly what you said - it bears watching.
Also, the way you pitch the no-lynch actually makes sense. I was disagreeing with the concept of giving mafia a free kill on us, but you do raise a good point. I'd like to hear others' opinions on this as well.
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On September 20 2010 16:00 Incognito wrote:
First off, LSB. In TL Mafia XXX we saw LSB the planner. Throughout all the discussion from day 1, multiple plans get proposed and shot down. LSB participated in the discussion and tried to come up with a better plan. It turns out that the town used his plan in the end. While it was flawed, this game shows that LSB as town actively contributes to the town discussion and tries to move the game forward/improve the town's situation. In PYP2, LSB didn't take such a pronounced role in the town, but still supported Radfield's plan/stated why it was fairly solid even though there could be some flaws. LSB ended up picking traitor that game, but since he was town before the role picks it cannot be assumed that he was playing the game with a mafia mindset.
Okay, obviously you haven’t played with me much. Mafia XXX was my rookie game, and it had some exceptional circumstances.
First of all, it had lots of varied blue roles. That way planning was possible.
On the other hand, Kor is following E9+1 townie. This setup is made so it isn’t able to be broken. It is slightly town favored. Simply put, there is no plan that is optimal because we do not know the existence of blue roles.
Secondly, PYP I supported the plan because it was solid. I did not support your plan because it’s mafia favored
Also, what happened to my Penalty mafia, and my RAM mafia games? To call me a planner in those games is laughable.
In this game, LSB's activity is way down. Looking at his first substantial post, he speculates on why South could have been put on divinek/bum's team. The second post is more telling. First sentence he immediately casts doubt upon my proposal. Really, that first sentence isn't a problem with my plan, as I have addressed the non-existence of a DT/medic already. The sentence in itself doesn't necessarily say anything about alignment. Once I point out this erroneous logic however, he says he really did read my post and switches what he claims is the "main problem". This time, instead of pointing to the non-existence of DT/medic, he says blue actions will be wasted and that DT/medic won't follow the plan so its all circular logic and won't work. A valid criticism, but different from the previous criticism.
First, could you answer this question?
I really like the DT/Medic Idea, I'm just wondering, do you have any other games where you tried out this plan?
I want to read other games where this plan works. I don’t know how you got this to be stir the pot.
What part of
Also, in reality, if we mess up, we might only have one night. Two days of mislynch would make us lose. If the medic is able to protect one person, that buys us another day. Shouldn't the list be hidden so the medic has a better chance of protecting someone?
Do you not get? Where is the erroneous logic?
I admit, the DT I thought of later, that is why I turned against your plan. Because it really is mafia favored.
In both of these posts, what does LSB propose to fix these? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. In both posts, he criticizes the plan and expresses his "concern" for the flaws. This is definitely not typical LSB behavior. LSB asks if I have an example game where this idea has been used. Relevance? I think there's none. LSB is just trying to stir the pot here.
Since when have I proposed fixes for broken plans? There are no fixes, we junk the plan and move on. Your acting like a baby, crying that your toy is broken, throwing a tantrum because other people can’t fix it
Another interesting post is when LSB states the two accusations that have been made and then says he doesn't like either of them. Its a neutral statement that says nothing. Very uncharacteristic for someone who often gives input and opinion when innocent.
To say those posts were serious accusations that deserved input would be flat out lies
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On September 21 2010 02:15 BrownBear wrote:There's a bit of an interesting dynamic starting to come out here. Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 15:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
That's all SR ever posts. I don't think he posts any better when townie. I think he thinks he is contributing a lot but... he just manages to state the obvious and make it mind bangingly esoteric. Very unnerving. This could be a slip, or it could be Pyrry trying to gently suggest SR as mafia to us. This early in the game, I would be astonished if Pyrry slipped up that spectacularly, so I think he's trying to plant the SR-scum idea in our heads (inception?).
That's not a slip up. We are pretty certain that team 2 is mafia. I just want a few more posts from them.
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On September 21 2010 01:23 meeple wrote:Vote: Team 6BC's only real post is this: Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ok as this is a super super super small style of game. Team game so technically very few players in terms of lynches we have to be extremely careful. To start with we need to generate discussion and yes I have seen some of this going on already woo we need to sit down and seriously think things through.
Lynching based off inactivity remember kills a team not just one specific member but the team itself. IF an entire team is inactive maybe we can opt for them. Opting on inactivity lynches based solely off one player in a team however seems like a bad idea, especially for the trio we have.
As for a general start past this
RVS [vote] rastaban/foolishness
Both are normally fairly active players and outside of one spam post, both are afkish. Plus no one decent to vote for.
For a verteran player, this says absolutely nothing... I mean he says lynching off inactivity is bad, and makes a RVS vote, saying repeatedly that its a nothing vote and he doesn't want to be held accountable for it...
Keep in mind meeple that this the first game of this format (not just team melee style but essentially an eight player game). Couple with the amount of inactivity till the time of my post you quoted the amount of useful work I can do is next to nil with lack of posts to analyze.
As for saying nothing? it says alot, I disagree with inactive lynches in a game format in which it harshly punishes the town for a mislynch, and then did RVS which can possibly force people to speak up and talk. I assume the purpose of your quoting me was for the same purpose. When enough posts are given that I can properly analyze people the easier I can to help. Also, keep in mind, aside from some general accusations you also didn't say much and just quoted people which also isn't helpful.
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Okay, I believe it is essential to use the No Lynch.
The No Lynch will give the Mafia another kill. But at the same time, it gives us another DT check, it gives us another Medic protection. (Assuming they exist).
And it won’t actually shorten lylo date. With or without No lynch, we have 2 mislynchs till we lose. It doesn’t change
I’m not saying we have to use it now. I’m just saying, if we don’t use it today, we should use it tomorrow. That way we can take advantage of the No-Lynch benefits.
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So you're saying I'm posting nothing when really what I'm doing is making a post that shows that there is really no plan that we can come up with? Then pray, tell me what sort of content-filled posts you can make this early in the game? @Pyrr
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On September 21 2010 04:43 SouthRawrea wrote:
So you're saying I'm posting nothing when really what I'm doing is making a post that shows that there is really no plan that we can come up with? Then pray, tell me what sort of content-filled posts you can make this early in the game? @Pyrr
When you read the thread, it should become obvious what is content and what isn't. What you post isn't content. What Incognito posts is. It's like night and day.
Also,
[Vote]No Lynch
rasta and LSB have very good points, so I'll stick with this plan for now. I know it's a reversal of my earlier position, but I believe their logic is sound.
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On September 21 2010 04:43 SouthRawrea wrote:
So you're saying I'm posting nothing when really what I'm doing is making a post that shows that there is really no plan that we can come up with? Then pray, tell me what sort of content-filled posts you can make this early in the game? @Pyrr
Don't get defensive, you've done nothing scum like. No one has any real suscipsion other than "he hasn't made much content" when alot of other people haven't eitiher.
But you can make content filled posts. For example, Medic should protect himself as it offers a higher chance of working succesfully. Another thing which can be discussed is whether we should lynch or not. I was highly in favor of non lynching, and now that we're actually able to I was thinking we should do that. However, then Pyrr made that slip up, and while I assume he could be innocent and make that statement, I still think he's a highly recommended choice for the DT to check.
But if we don't lynch, and theres no dt, what does it really do for us? It makes us so we're able to end the game. This means ultimately we'll be the ones deciding, and we'll have the most information when the last hit comes. But again, if theres no dt, then its all for null and might actually help mafia.
Thoughts?
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On September 21 2010 04:08 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2010 02:15 BrownBear wrote:There's a bit of an interesting dynamic starting to come out here. On September 20 2010 15:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
That's all SR ever posts. I don't think he posts any better when townie. I think he thinks he is contributing a lot but... he just manages to state the obvious and make it mind bangingly esoteric. Very unnerving. This could be a slip, or it could be Pyrry trying to gently suggest SR as mafia to us. This early in the game, I would be astonished if Pyrry slipped up that spectacularly, so I think he's trying to plant the SR-scum idea in our heads (inception?). That's not a slip up. We are pretty certain that team 2 is mafia. I just want a few more posts from them.
If you're certain why aren't you trying hard to convince the rest of us they are scum?
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On September 21 2010 02:39 rastaban wrote:
That said I don't even know that this is a slip up since for it to be one then both players would have to be scum. It seems he is replying tho the BB's insinuated accusation that since the post is bad he is scum. Pyrr says well he doesn't post any better when he is town.
This. I've been on I think at least two scum teams (in previous games, because I apparently have to clarify that) with SR. I think I've only been in one game where he was town. Both games he made a lot of long, seemingly complicated posts at first glance that just showed the gears of his mind working like that.
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On September 21 2010 04:08 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2010 02:15 BrownBear wrote:There's a bit of an interesting dynamic starting to come out here. On September 20 2010 15:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
That's all SR ever posts. I don't think he posts any better when townie. I think he thinks he is contributing a lot but... he just manages to state the obvious and make it mind bangingly esoteric. Very unnerving. This could be a slip, or it could be Pyrry trying to gently suggest SR as mafia to us. This early in the game, I would be astonished if Pyrry slipped up that spectacularly, so I think he's trying to plant the SR-scum idea in our heads (inception?). That's not a slip up. We are pretty certain that team 2 is mafia. I just want a few more posts from them.
Then tell us more, instead of trying to breadcrumb it to us.
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Dammit Ace, you're faster than me 
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On September 21 2010 04:08 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2010 02:15 BrownBear wrote:There's a bit of an interesting dynamic starting to come out here. On September 20 2010 15:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
That's all SR ever posts. I don't think he posts any better when townie. I think he thinks he is contributing a lot but... he just manages to state the obvious and make it mind bangingly esoteric. Very unnerving. This could be a slip, or it could be Pyrry trying to gently suggest SR as mafia to us. This early in the game, I would be astonished if Pyrry slipped up that spectacularly, so I think he's trying to plant the SR-scum idea in our heads (inception?). That's not a slip up. We are pretty certain that team 2 is mafia. I just want a few more posts from them.
What makes you think so? I'm curious, because Team 2 isn't on my radar right now for mafia. The way I see it - Bumatlarge seems drunk, Divinek made one post where he completely misunderstood how the game works, and SR talked about the merits of lynch vs no lynch. none of this says 'mafia' to me.
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On September 21 2010 04:54 BrownBear wrote:Dammit Ace, you're faster than me
word ^_^
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and both of you are faster than me ._.
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On September 21 2010 04:49 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2010 04:43 SouthRawrea wrote:
So you're saying I'm posting nothing when really what I'm doing is making a post that shows that there is really no plan that we can come up with? Then pray, tell me what sort of content-filled posts you can make this early in the game? @Pyrr When you read the thread, it should become obvious what is content and what isn't. What you post isn't content. What Incognito posts is. It's like night and day. Also, [Vote]No Lynchrasta and LSB have very good points, so I'll stick with this plan for now. I know it's a reversal of my earlier position, but I believe their logic is sound.
We only get a single "No Lynch" if I understand correctly... you really think we should waste it on the first day?
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oh damn, only one shot at a No Lynch?
unless this day produces anything significant AND you don't want to waste the No Lynch you really are better off lynching an inactive. Even though I somewhat agree with whoever said that in this format killing off inactive players isn't really great, we don't really have much of a choice with 1 No Lynch.
I'd be willing to hear more about how LSB is certain that Team 2 is scum.
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damn ace i made a huge post that you just summarized in like 4 lines lol
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On September 21 2010 04:54 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2010 04:08 LSB wrote:On September 21 2010 02:15 BrownBear wrote:There's a bit of an interesting dynamic starting to come out here. On September 20 2010 15:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
That's all SR ever posts. I don't think he posts any better when townie. I think he thinks he is contributing a lot but... he just manages to state the obvious and make it mind bangingly esoteric. Very unnerving. This could be a slip, or it could be Pyrry trying to gently suggest SR as mafia to us. This early in the game, I would be astonished if Pyrry slipped up that spectacularly, so I think he's trying to plant the SR-scum idea in our heads (inception?). That's not a slip up. We are pretty certain that team 2 is mafia. I just want a few more posts from them. What makes you think so? I'm curious, because Team 2 isn't on my radar right now for mafia. The way I see it - Bumatlarge seems drunk, Divinek made one post where he completely misunderstood how the game works, and SR talked about the merits of lynch vs no lynch. none of this says 'mafia' to me.
yeah pandain had me confused into thinking players got lynched instead of teams lol. It's probably his scum jedi mind tricks at work.
Bum wasn't drunk that's just his accent coming through in his posts.
And SR has always been really good at posting really poorly.
I would be all in favour of no lynching day 1, i mean why not use it on the day where we have the least information to go on? We'll still gain something as there will be a nk, or a medic protect to stop it or maybe even a DT check or something.
But instead of throwing around wild allegations (which alot of people seem to be doing) i would much rather not kill an innocent today, which is what 95% to happen on day1? and go with a no lynch
so
##vote no lynch
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we need no lynch later on in case we get to mylo at 3v1
voting no lynch right now is very dumb
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