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On August 28 2012 12:05 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
There was eSports before Brood War, and there will be eSports after Kespa goes away.
True, but Kespa eSports are different. Kespa was mainstream, MLG et all are still just ladder-esque marathons in dark rooms. Kespa players are sponsored by Adidas, Samsung, etc. Kespa players have girls watching them. Kespa is special in spite of its shortcomings.]
I much prefer a Kespa eSport to a dark warehouse lan any day.
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On August 28 2012 11:40 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation. GOM being nice to KeSPA? GOM *needs* KeSPA players to legitimize its tournaments.
Funny guy.
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On August 28 2012 12:04 0neder wrote:
If the GSL is so prestigious, then so many of these GSL players (who I like) wouldn't be mentally crumbling in the booth when they play a Masters-level Jaedong. Kespa has legitimacy because it has the best RTS minds and bodies on the planet.
As much as people hate Kespa, Kespa is the reason the SC scene is alive today, and the reason most of us love esports.
They are crumbling to pressure of fighting an opponent with little to no games to study them and risking being ridiculed if they lose (and having their wins put down to just having more practice/experience).
KeSPA has no legitimacy in the SC2 scene (yet), BW and SC2 have similar mechanics but are two very different games.
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On August 28 2012 11:58 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 11:41 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Yes, because none of the GSLs to this point have been legitimate. MAKES SENSE You can't be the best in the world until you compete against the best in the world. Everything until now has been minor league stuff.
LOL. Its not the SC2 players fault that kespa didnt switch, they were playing the best players that were playing the game, thats not the minor leagues buddy.
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On August 28 2012 12:08 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:05 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
There was eSports before Brood War, and there will be eSports after Kespa goes away. True, but Kespa eSports are different. Kespa was mainstream, MLG et all are still just ladder-esque marathons in dark rooms. Kespa players are sponsored by Adidas, Samsung, etc. Kespa players have girls watching them. Kespa is special in spite of its shortcomings.] I much prefer a Kespa eSport to a dark warehouse lan any day.
Heh. You're such a blinkered fanboy, it's actually funny.
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A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. These guys fought ravenously climbing up the internal ranks to beat out all the former b-teamers who got in on the SC2 ground floor.
On August 28 2012 12:10 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:08 0neder wrote:On August 28 2012 12:05 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
There was eSports before Brood War, and there will be eSports after Kespa goes away. True, but Kespa eSports are different. Kespa was mainstream, MLG et all are still just ladder-esque marathons in dark rooms. Kespa players are sponsored by Adidas, Samsung, etc. Kespa players have girls watching them. Kespa is special in spite of its shortcomings.] I much prefer a Kespa eSport to a dark warehouse lan any day. Heh. You're such a blinkered fanboy, it's actually funny.
Not really. I'm a grown-up. I don't want to watch immature ads for Red Bull and Axe and Doritos. Adidas, Samsung, etc are mainstream cultural brands. I don't want to watch a competition in a dark theater of boys, I want to watch it in a well-lit studio full of both genders. I want to watch it on a public beach in front of tens of thousands of people.
Kespa esport is(or were at least) special, it is friendlier, more approachable, and more attractive than the other stuff, which is darker and tackier.
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On August 28 2012 12:09 InoyouS2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:04 0neder wrote:
If the GSL is so prestigious, then so many of these GSL players (who I like) wouldn't be mentally crumbling in the booth when they play a Masters-level Jaedong. Kespa has legitimacy because it has the best RTS minds and bodies on the planet.
As much as people hate Kespa, Kespa is the reason the SC scene is alive today, and the reason most of us love esports. They are crumbling to pressure of fighting an opponent with little to no games to study them and risking being ridiculed if they lose (and having their wins put down to just having more practice/experience). KeSPA has no legitimacy in the SC2 scene (yet), BW and SC2 have similar mechanics but are two very different games.
In your first paragraph you just described Code B and Code A scrubs.
I hate bringing up the MVP is a Woongjin Terran thing because he's insanely talented and I got a lot of respect for him but it would be high hopes to think he would make an A team in 8 team Proleague. (except Ace, because Ace don't practice that much)
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On August 28 2012 12:07 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:01 neoghaleon55 wrote:On August 28 2012 11:59 Condor Hero wrote:On August 28 2012 11:55 neoghaleon55 wrote:On August 28 2012 11:40 VManOfMana wrote:On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation. GOM being nice to KeSPA? GOM *needs* KeSPA players to legitimize its tournaments. you know what makes it legit? money. GSL's been making money for 2 years without KeSPA. Despite being named GOMTV, they'll never make it to TV without Kespa players. And that's all there is to it. you realize that traditional television viewership has declined in the last 5 years right? Internet is the future http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/nielsen-reports-a-decline-in-television-viewing/ Getting on TV represents some level of acceptance on a wide level amongst the general population. Having a full time channel is somewhere near infinity times harder than broadcasting online. You know how I know this? Because there's only one full time esports channel and anyone can broadcast SC2 on stream from their bedroom.
Who cares? Does it being on TV or not being on TV affect any of us? No. GSL Code S is the most popular SC2 League there is at the moment, even more so than OSL.
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On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. These guys fought ravenously climbing up the internal ranks to beat out all the former b-teamers who got in on the SC2 ground floor.
No, they have none at all, take Bisu as a prime example, in BW he was and still is an A-Teamer, in SC2 he has the worst result of any other player from BW.
Flash also, apart from the MLG games which were not exactly top notch, has had underwhelming results in SC2, yet he was regarded as the most successful BW player of all time.
Players transition to different games in very different ways, the mechanical skills are there, but being good at a similar game won't make you good in another.
Also you're clear blind fanboy-ism is boring and responding to you seems pointless.
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On August 28 2012 12:13 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:07 Condor Hero wrote:On August 28 2012 12:01 neoghaleon55 wrote:On August 28 2012 11:59 Condor Hero wrote:On August 28 2012 11:55 neoghaleon55 wrote:On August 28 2012 11:40 VManOfMana wrote:On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation. GOM being nice to KeSPA? GOM *needs* KeSPA players to legitimize its tournaments. you know what makes it legit? money. GSL's been making money for 2 years without KeSPA. Despite being named GOMTV, they'll never make it to TV without Kespa players. And that's all there is to it. you realize that traditional television viewership has declined in the last 5 years right? Internet is the future http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/nielsen-reports-a-decline-in-television-viewing/ Getting on TV represents some level of acceptance on a wide level amongst the general population. Having a full time channel is somewhere near infinity times harder than broadcasting online. You know how I know this? Because there's only one full time esports channel and anyone can broadcast SC2 on stream from their bedroom. Who cares? Does it being on TV or not being on TV affect any of us? No. GSL Code S is the most popular SC2 League there is at the moment, even more so than OSL.
That guy was asking what makes a league legit.
If you don't care just ignore me.
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It does affect us, because it's a whole new audience to help sustain the scene and diversify support.
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On August 28 2012 12:12 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:09 InoyouS2 wrote:On August 28 2012 12:04 0neder wrote:
If the GSL is so prestigious, then so many of these GSL players (who I like) wouldn't be mentally crumbling in the booth when they play a Masters-level Jaedong. Kespa has legitimacy because it has the best RTS minds and bodies on the planet.
As much as people hate Kespa, Kespa is the reason the SC scene is alive today, and the reason most of us love esports. They are crumbling to pressure of fighting an opponent with little to no games to study them and risking being ridiculed if they lose (and having their wins put down to just having more practice/experience). KeSPA has no legitimacy in the SC2 scene (yet), BW and SC2 have similar mechanics but are two very different games. In your first paragraph you just described Code B and Code A scrubs. I hate bringing up the MVP is a Woongjin Terran thing because he's insanely talented and I got a lot of respect for him but it would be high hopes to think he would make an A team in 8 team Proleague.
Lets be honest, Im sure had many of the younger guys, that are on top of SC2 right now like TaeJa, MKP, DRG, Parting, etc etc, stuck it out through brood war that not one of them can work their way up to being an A-teamer? I find that hard to believe personally. Many of them were B-teamers or practice partners and thats were everyone starts. Also look at A-teamers like Puma for example, yea hes really good and has some good accomplishements but his play, currently, isnt really close to the players I listed above, but by your logic he is more talented. For many their skill may not translate well and just because they were better at Brood War, doesnt mean they will be better at SC2 at least IMO. You have to remember that this is a completely different game they are playing.
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On August 28 2012 12:16 InoyouS2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. These guys fought ravenously climbing up the internal ranks to beat out all the former b-teamers who got in on the SC2 ground floor. No, they have none at all, take Bisu as a prime example, in BW he was and still is an A-Teamer, in SC2 he has the worst result of any other player from BW. Flash also, apart from the MLG games which were not exactly top notch, has had underwhelming results in SC2, yet he was regarded as the most successful BW player of all time. Players transition to different games in very different ways, the mechanical skills are there, but being good at a similar game won't make you good in another. Also you're clear blind fanboy-ism is boring and responding to you seems pointless.
I will agree that different people transition to games at different paces but given the sheer talent it's ridiculous to not assume every single A teamer will eventually reach Code S level or above.
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On August 28 2012 12:16 InoyouS2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:
A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. These guys fought ravenously climbing up the internal ranks to beat out all the former b-teamers who got in on the SC2 ground floor. No, they have none at all, take Bisu as a prime example, in BW he was and still is an A-Teamer, in SC2 he has the worst result of any other player from BW. Flash also, apart from the MLG games which were not exactly top notch, has had underwhelming results in SC2, yet he was regarded as the most successful BW player of all time. Players transition to different games in very different ways, the mechanical skills are there, but being good at a similar game won't make you good in another. Also you're clear blind fanboy-ism is boring and responding to you seems pointless.
Initial mixed results have no bearing on absolute skill. We've barely seen any SC2 from either of them in the last few weeks. Bisu may eventually suck at SC2 but he still has some legitimacy at SC2 automatically because of his micro, macro, and strategic talent. And to be clear, I'm not a huge Bisu fangirl. i like him, but I like SKT more for Fantasy and Best.
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On August 28 2012 12:12 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:09 InoyouS2 wrote:On August 28 2012 12:04 0neder wrote:
If the GSL is so prestigious, then so many of these GSL players (who I like) wouldn't be mentally crumbling in the booth when they play a Masters-level Jaedong. Kespa has legitimacy because it has the best RTS minds and bodies on the planet.
As much as people hate Kespa, Kespa is the reason the SC scene is alive today, and the reason most of us love esports. They are crumbling to pressure of fighting an opponent with little to no games to study them and risking being ridiculed if they lose (and having their wins put down to just having more practice/experience). KeSPA has no legitimacy in the SC2 scene (yet), BW and SC2 have similar mechanics but are two very different games. In your first paragraph you just described Code B and Code A scrubs. I hate bringing up the MVP is a Woongjin Terran thing because he's insanely talented and I got a lot of respect for him but it would be high hopes to think he would make an A team in 8 team Proleague. (except Ace, because Ace don't practice that much)
What?
GuMiHo, Genius amongst others are not Code B and Code A scrubs, they have proven to be (perhaps inconsistent) Code S material. Many of the players who lost to KeSPA players stated that it was hard to play because of the pressure put on them during the games; if they win, it's not much of an accomplishment because the BW pros have only just switched over, if they lose they are ridiculed for losing to much less experienced players.
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Amusing argument! BW status quo vs SC2 status quo. And for some reason, one side has to "win."
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On August 28 2012 12:21 InoyouS2 wrote:
GuMiHo, Genius amongst others are not Code B and Code A scrubs, they have proven to be (perhaps inconsistent) Code S material. Many of the players who lost to KeSPA players stated that it was hard to play because of the pressure put on them during the games; if they win, it's not much of an accomplishment because the BW pros have only just switched over, if they lose they are ridiculed for losing to much less experienced players.
Yes. Which shows many of them will be returning to their former spot in the pecking order, as talented players who didn't have the mental toughness to take it to the next level.
I'll stop rehashing this. I'll just say that I'm excited to see the OSL tonight! Rivalries are fun and I'll be excited no matter who wins!
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On August 28 2012 12:11 0neder wrote:A Kespa A-teamer automatically has at least some legitimacy in SC2 until he indicates that he doesn't deserve it. These guys fought ravenously climbing up the internal ranks to beat out all the former b-teamers who got in on the SC2 ground floor. Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:10 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 28 2012 12:08 0neder wrote:On August 28 2012 12:05 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
There was eSports before Brood War, and there will be eSports after Kespa goes away. True, but Kespa eSports are different. Kespa was mainstream, MLG et all are still just ladder-esque marathons in dark rooms. Kespa players are sponsored by Adidas, Samsung, etc. Kespa players have girls watching them. Kespa is special in spite of its shortcomings.] I much prefer a Kespa eSport to a dark warehouse lan any day. Heh. You're such a blinkered fanboy, it's actually funny. Not really. I'm a grown-up. I don't want to watch immature ads for Red Bull and Axe and Doritos. Adidas, Samsung, etc are mainstream cultural brands. I don't want to watch a competition in a dark theater of boys, I want to watch it in a well-lit studio full of both genders. I want to watch it on a public beach in front of tens of thousands of people. Kespa esport is(or were at least) special, it is friendlier, more approachable, and more attractive than the other stuff, which is darker and tackier.
You've got a vivid imagination.
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On August 28 2012 11:40 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 09:36 FidoDido wrote:
GOM is being so nice and helpful to KeSPA, even seeding like 6 of their players.. (2 Code S, 4 Code A) and yet KeSPA was still being douchebags.
This may be a long shot, but hopefully some day all of their players will leave the Tyranny of KeSPA and move on to other teams so they aren't just pawns of that selfish organisation. GOM being nice to KeSPA? GOM *needs* KeSPA players to legitimize its tournaments. only to BW and KeSPA fanboys. The world has gotten along extraordinarily well without KeSPA for the last 2 years. KeSPA could pull a 360 and GOM and the global SCII community would continue to thrive and grow. It's stunts like those KeSPA has been pulling that hold things back
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On August 28 2012 12:08 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:05 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
There was eSports before Brood War, and there will be eSports after Kespa goes away. True, but Kespa eSports are different. Kespa was mainstream, MLG et all are still just ladder-esque marathons in dark rooms. Kespa players are sponsored by Adidas, Samsung, etc. Kespa players have girls watching them. Kespa is special in spite of its shortcomings.] I much prefer a Kespa eSport to a dark warehouse lan any day.
Holy shit man. I seen a lot of elitist and arrogant BW fans but you sir takes the cake. How fucking dare you to come here and shit on an international Esport scene who have worked there ass for so long. You know, when we talk about Esport people has talked that one of the big issues is that we need to get it more mainstream. One of the problem with going mainstream is we have to deal with a lot of stereotypes and arrogance.
But you sir are actually worst then even the mainstream media that usually portrait the community in a very condescending way. But compared to you dick head there condescending views are nothing. You are a wolf in sheep clothing. While thousand hard working people around there world are creating an international Esport scene. And somehow you think its ok to insult them just so you can feel superior?.
I would rather deal with the condescending mainstream then dealing with an insecure little nerd like you who properly never seen a women in his life. You are the cancer in this community whom Ill do my utmost to surgical remove.
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