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nodule
Canada931 Posts
On August 24 2011 05:32 Mortality wrote: Most fans forget that ace players are chosen well in advance. Most coaches wouldn't send up a fragile player against the best player in the world twice, knowing that he might get smashed the first time. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On August 24 2011 08:31 nodule wrote: Most coaches wouldn't send up a fragile player against the best player in the world twice, knowing that he might get smashed the first time. I've already discussed this... doesn't change that Best was chosen well in advance as the ace player. | ||
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Caladbolg
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On August 24 2011 08:31 nodule wrote: Most coaches wouldn't send up a fragile player against the best player in the world twice, knowing that he might get smashed the first time. Actually, I think that Fortress was a throwaway match and that Best was always preparing just for CB. This follows from a few assumptions: 1) Best was always going to be the ace player. There's no way Coach Park had multiple players prepare for Flash on CB and then decided on the spot that Best was the one he would send after the crushing defeat on Fortress. Both other members of FBB won their games, so if either or both of them had also practiced for the ace match, he would be crazy not to send one of them. Therefore, Best must have been chosen in advance to be the ace player come hell or high water. 2) Best would not split his preparation time in an effort to win two sets against Flash. SKT's strategy never revolved around defeating Flash specifically, which should be evident from the lineup. They sent their strongest players early on maps where Flash was unlikely to appear in an effort to beat the rest of KT 4-0 or 4-1. Given Best's skill as a player, it would be insane to choose him to be the person to prepare for Flash on two separate maps and win even one of them--if you need a player who can prepare for multiple maps against the same opponent, you pick a player who has shown strength in series play, like Bisu or especially Fantasy. This implies that Best was really only practicing for one of the two maps. 3) SKT had no better choice for Fortress than Best even given the above. Best can only play one matchup, PvT. He's a likely loss versus almost any other member of KT, since he can't beat Zerg and Stats has much stronger PvP. Nonetheless, you can't just forfeit the Fortress set, and SKT's other players all had better shots against their non-Flash opponents than Best would have had, so process of elimination leaves Best to play Fortress. If Flash happens to play into Best's hands and lose, that's just gravy; if not, SKT hasn't really lost anything anyway. There's sort of a couple holes in that the above would sort of imply that Ssak might be a better choice for Fortress than Best and that it overlooks the psychological aspect of potentially being destroyed in a game, throwaway or not, and then having to come back out for the biggest match of the night, but the alternatives seem even more unbelievable. | ||
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ligas
81 Posts
On August 24 2011 11:14 Caladbolg wrote: Not to beat a dead horse, but I just hoped SKT had prepared ALL 3 of their aces to potentially play the ace match. I'd actually rather have Fantasy up there than Best. Fantasy delivers in clutch situations like no other player. And yes, even Bisu (SKT's WL ace) everyone has 20/20 hindsight. given how best has consistently performed extremely well against flash in proleague (losing only ONCE prior to the grand finals) id say the managers and coaching staff wouldve been fools had they not chosen best. regardless of the outcome they made the correct the decision in picking best to snipe flash. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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agarangu
Chile274 Posts
Also, Jaedong > Flash. Therefore Jaedong > SKT, right? All jokes aside, is there anyone in Oz one who can defeat Bisu? Because Bisu's vZ seemed to be too much for Jaedong in their last encounters, and killer is also a zerg. | ||
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
On August 24 2011 11:48 ligas wrote: everyone has 20/20 hindsight. given how best has consistently performed extremely well against flash in proleague (losing only ONCE prior to the grand finals) id say the managers and coaching staff wouldve been fools had they not chosen best. regardless of the outcome they made the correct the decision in picking best to snipe flash. Really? Hindsight, huh... On July 27 2011 04:00 SimonB wrote: I always lol a little bit when I read about Best as an actual rival or opponent against Flash. 6-5 record against Flash, well done, but when Flash has played as many players as he has, statistically that's just going to happen sometimes. Best has little better chance against Flash than does Much, or Casy has against Jaedong. .... Bisu is so much better than Best in every way. H2H small samples shouldn't deceive you into thinking that Best is a good ace option. Fantasy would be better if it wasn't for his recent slump (which he may or may not be out of). Hindsight or not, he was always a ridiculous choice. Edit: Previous to this final, BeSt was in the group of TITANS like MUCH, TESTER, M18M, & UPMAGIC (and depending on what games you count that silly little player Jaedong) that had winning records against Flash. Now he joins the legions who are down a game in their H2H, and he has no claim to fame anymore. He is just a plain old shitty player now. | ||
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ligas
81 Posts
On August 24 2011 12:24 agarangu wrote: Ok, so Flash > SKT. Also, Jaedong > Flash. Therefore Jaedong > SKT, right? All jokes aside, is there anyone in Oz one who can defeat Bisu? Because Bisu's vZ seemed to be too much for Jaedong in their last encounters, and killer is also a zerg. does it matter? theyd still get rolled by everybody else. i like hiya's chances though despite being a mediocre terran, his best mu is still vp and is currently (2011) performing very well against them. | ||
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ligas
81 Posts
On August 24 2011 12:47 SimonB wrote: Really? Hindsight, huh... Hindsight or not, he was always a ridiculous choice. Edit: Previous to this final, BeSt was in the group of TITANS like MUCH, TESTER, M18M, & UPMAGIC (and depending on what games you count that silly little player Jaedong) that had winning records against Flash. Now he joins the legions who are down a game in their H2H, and he has no claim to fame anymore. He is just a plain old shitty player now. fantasy is 1-4 against flash in proleague. the last time he played on circuit breaker against a terran was LAST YEAR. bisu has only beaten slumping/scrub terrans on circuit breaker and lost to tvp god...hiya. best was 5-1 against flash in proleague prior to the finals, and has beaten flash on circuit breaker. records dont lie and at least in proleague with his coaches and mates cheering for him, best for some reason has the edge against flash. bisu was a good choice but best was better. if it was a random map/random event or for instance against oz and obviously jd wouldve been the ace then yeah best wouldve been ridiculous. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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ligas
81 Posts
On August 24 2011 13:43 TwoToneTerran wrote: Um, has anyone noticed the PR is no longer on the right side of TL? strange times ahead perhaps soon brood war will be under "sports and games" | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On August 24 2011 13:43 TwoToneTerran wrote: Um, has anyone noticed the PR is no longer on the right side of TL? Don't worry. I'm sure a feature to put it back is on its way, along with game filtering for the calendar and the ability to set TLPD to search BW by default. Right after those Mafia improvements... | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On August 24 2011 13:58 Elefanto wrote: Where is the Power Rank and Final Edits on the right side? What happened Came in here to talk about that too. It looks like there is quite a bit of reorganizing going on the right side of the site. However, the timing of the removal of the BW Power Rank does seem to be an unfortunate coincidence alongside some bad BW news. Hopefully, they'll all go up soon. | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On August 24 2011 14:03 eviltomahawk wrote: Came in here to talk about that too. It looks like there is quite a bit of reorganizing going on the right side of the site. However, the timing of the removal of the BW Power Rank does seem to be an unfortunate coincidence alongside some bad BW news. Hopefully, they'll all go up soon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258413 And who do you guys think will be #1 next month ^_^ | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
Its one thing for the korean scene to slowly die out, but to have TL turn its back on bw hurts even more. I expect that PR traffic will dwindle in the next few months since it'll be harder to find (and impossible to see comment counts to see if its been updated), we'll be lucky to break 10 pages in the coming months. gg | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines959 Posts
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
It feels like the PR and its thread went from the front of the restaurant to being located near the back where the toilets are T_T | ||
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