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JIJIyO
Canada1957 Posts
I still can't get over the fact that JD is playing like the Killer of old (somewhat) and Killer is playing like the Jaedong of old..............Killer was so fucking terrible how did this happen lol. From getting nuked by Boxer to this.......Neo Jaedong? Omg I can't take him seriously hahah.
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On August 24 2011 17:59 JIJIyO wrote:
I still can't get over the fact that JD is playing like the Killer of old (somewhat) and Killer is playing like the Jaedong of old..............Killer was so fucking terrible how did this happen lol. From getting nuked by Boxer to this.......Neo Jaedong? Omg I can't take him seriously hahah.
Well as far as Jaedong goes, it's only his ZvZ. The last we saw of his ZvP was a fantastic game, and there's only one player I'd favor over him in that matchup. And his ZvT is easily the best in the world.
Killer though I think has had a good amount of skill for a while, but he was very prone to messing up, losing focus or making bad decisions due to nerves. Now that he seems to have come over that, we instead see something that is a lot closer to the skill he has probably been showing in practice for a long time (considering how much he got sent out even when he lost almost everything).
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RIP BW power rank
Buried under a Features tab where people will only see it if they specifically set out to find it.
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What the hell happened to Power Rank?
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On August 24 2011 20:29 elsx wrote:
What the hell happened to Power Rank?
It's too big for TL now, the right sidebar wasn't able to handle Flash's ultimate gosu god power anymore. It's no wonder though, i was surprised it lasted for so long.
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On August 24 2011 12:24 agarangu wrote:
Ok, so Flash > SKT.
Also, Jaedong > Flash.
Therefore Jaedong > SKT, right?
All jokes aside, is there anyone in Oz one who can defeat Bisu? Because Bisu's vZ seemed to be too much for Jaedong in their last encounters, and killer is also a zerg.
Hiya when he's on.
On August 24 2011 13:39 ligas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 12:47 SimonB wrote:On August 24 2011 11:48 ligas wrote:On August 24 2011 11:14 Caladbolg wrote:
Not to beat a dead horse, but I just hoped SKT had prepared ALL 3 of their aces to potentially play the ace match. I'd actually rather have Fantasy up there than Best. Fantasy delivers in clutch situations like no other player. And yes, even Bisu (SKT's WL ace) everyone has 20/20 hindsight. given how best has consistently performed extremely well against flash in proleague (losing only ONCE prior to the grand finals) id say the managers and coaching staff wouldve been fools had they not chosen best. regardless of the outcome they made the correct the decision in picking best to snipe flash. Really? Hindsight, huh...On July 27 2011 04:00 SimonB wrote:
I always lol a little bit when I read about Best as an actual rival or opponent against Flash.
6-5 record against Flash, well done, but when Flash has played as many players as he has, statistically that's just going to happen sometimes. Best has little better chance against Flash than does Much, or Casy has against Jaedong.
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Bisu is so much better than Best in every way. H2H small samples shouldn't deceive you into thinking that Best is a good ace option. Fantasy would be better if it wasn't for his recent slump (which he may or may not be out of). Hindsight or not, he was always a ridiculous choice. Edit: Previous to this final, BeSt was in the group of TITANS like MUCH, TESTER, M18M, & UPMAGIC (and depending on what games you count that silly little player Jaedong) that had winning records against Flash. Now he joins the legions who are down a game in their H2H, and he has no claim to fame anymore. He is just a plain old shitty player now. fantasy is 1-4 against flash in proleague. the last time he played on circuit breaker against a terran was LAST YEAR. bisu has only beaten slumping/scrub terrans on circuit breaker and lost to tvp god...hiya. best was 5-1 against flash in proleague prior to the finals, and has beaten flash on circuit breaker. records dont lie and at least in proleague with his coaches and mates cheering for him, best for some reason has the edge against flash. bisu was a good choice but best was better. if it was a random map/random event or for instance against oz and obviously jd wouldve been the ace then yeah best wouldve been ridiculous.
If we're going to talk about results on CB, Bisu is 7-1 in PvT and 1-1 against Hiya on that map. As for only playing scrubs, basically there are only 3 players who are consistently strong at TvP and one of them is on Bisu's team.
Best was 1-4 on CB in PvT going into the finals, although his 1 win did come from Flash. [Note: I'm not counting the offline prelim victory over B-teamer Always.]
In regular SPL season play, Best does have a h2h advantage over Flash, but that's the ONLY stat in Best's favor.
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On August 24 2011 21:34 Mortality wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 12:24 agarangu wrote:
Ok, so Flash > SKT.
Also, Jaedong > Flash.
Therefore Jaedong > SKT, right?
All jokes aside, is there anyone in Oz one who can defeat Bisu? Because Bisu's vZ seemed to be too much for Jaedong in their last encounters, and killer is also a zerg. Hiya when he's on. Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 13:39 ligas wrote:On August 24 2011 12:47 SimonB wrote:On August 24 2011 11:48 ligas wrote:On August 24 2011 11:14 Caladbolg wrote:
Not to beat a dead horse, but I just hoped SKT had prepared ALL 3 of their aces to potentially play the ace match. I'd actually rather have Fantasy up there than Best. Fantasy delivers in clutch situations like no other player. And yes, even Bisu (SKT's WL ace) everyone has 20/20 hindsight. given how best has consistently performed extremely well against flash in proleague (losing only ONCE prior to the grand finals) id say the managers and coaching staff wouldve been fools had they not chosen best. regardless of the outcome they made the correct the decision in picking best to snipe flash. Really? Hindsight, huh...On July 27 2011 04:00 SimonB wrote:
I always lol a little bit when I read about Best as an actual rival or opponent against Flash.
6-5 record against Flash, well done, but when Flash has played as many players as he has, statistically that's just going to happen sometimes. Best has little better chance against Flash than does Much, or Casy has against Jaedong.
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Bisu is so much better than Best in every way. H2H small samples shouldn't deceive you into thinking that Best is a good ace option. Fantasy would be better if it wasn't for his recent slump (which he may or may not be out of). Hindsight or not, he was always a ridiculous choice. Edit: Previous to this final, BeSt was in the group of TITANS like MUCH, TESTER, M18M, & UPMAGIC (and depending on what games you count that silly little player Jaedong) that had winning records against Flash. Now he joins the legions who are down a game in their H2H, and he has no claim to fame anymore. He is just a plain old shitty player now. fantasy is 1-4 against flash in proleague. the last time he played on circuit breaker against a terran was LAST YEAR. bisu has only beaten slumping/scrub terrans on circuit breaker and lost to tvp god...hiya. best was 5-1 against flash in proleague prior to the finals, and has beaten flash on circuit breaker. records dont lie and at least in proleague with his coaches and mates cheering for him, best for some reason has the edge against flash. bisu was a good choice but best was better. if it was a random map/random event or for instance against oz and obviously jd wouldve been the ace then yeah best wouldve been ridiculous. If we're going to talk about results on CB, Bisu is 7-1 in PvT and 1-1 against Hiya on that map. As for only playing scrubs, basically there are only 3 players who are consistently strong at TvP and one of them is on Bisu's team. Best was 1-4 on CB in PvT going into the finals, although his 1 win did come from Flash. [Note: I'm not counting the offline prelim victory over B-teamer Always.] In regular SPL season play, Best does have a h2h advantage over Flash, but that's the ONLY stat in Best's favor.
dunno about you, but id always go with the guy with the winning record. next best thing wouldve been bisu whos 1-3 against handicapped flash this year and thats bisu playing in peak form.
blame skt1 for letting it get to ace, just like the korean netizen's spl drawing: while skt1 is chock full of gosus, kt has flash 'nuff said.
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Russian Federation327 Posts
Why would you take practice time away from their normal game when you absolutely know who KT is going to send and on a specific map?
Do not forget, SKT has month of preparation time as they secured the #1 spot and weather gave them even more days. While KT were forced to play trough entire playoff, and Flash has OSL match vs Jangbi in OSL (though, the same goes to Fanta).
They have time enough to prepare all their players to be ACE. But the only prepared players were KT (most of their games were some wired strats) while SKT preferred to play straight.
So, why do you want to put all eggs in one basket and relay only on Best as your ace player? Doesn't make sense. The only possible reason is a strong believe in winning before ace match, which is a bit wrong thing to do. And if you want to gamble then you have Hyuk.
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Where art thou, Power Rank? QQ
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On August 24 2011 23:12 Yodo wrote:Show nested quote +Why would you take practice time away from their normal game when you absolutely know who KT is going to send and on a specific map? Do not forget, SKT has month of preparation time as they secured the #1 spot and weather gave them even more days. While KT were forced to play trough entire playoff, and Flash has OSL match vs Jangbi in OSL (though, the same goes to Fanta). They have time enough to prepare all their players to be ACE. But the only prepared players were KT (most of their games were some wired strats) while SKT preferred to play straight. So, why do you want to put all eggs in one basket and relay only on Best as your ace player? Doesn't make sense. The only possible reason is a strong believe in winning before ace match, which is a bit wrong thing to do. And if you want to gamble then you have Hyuk.
death, taxes and flash in a proleague grand finals ace match. why prepare fantasy, bisu and best for ace when they can only do it once? you pick the one with whos actually favored against flash and pretty much hope for the best.
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I am so pleased that it's harder to get to the PR.
Wait, no I'm not.
At least I know White Ra is the 5th best foreign SC2 player? Is that what it's saying?
OSL Ro8 concludes soon. Let's all keep praying that JangBi can take down the Ultimate Weapon.
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SC2 fans were probably uncomfortable having a constant reminder that the best players are still in BW on the front page. Apparently Tastosis have been referring to Zergbong as 'God' recently, so having Flash as a constant reminder on the front page must have been causing a crisis of faith.
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On August 25 2011 01:14 Crisium wrote:
I am so pleased that it's harder to get to the PR.
Wait, no I'm not.
At least I know White Ra is the 5th best foreign SC2 player? Is that what it's saying?
OSL Ro8 concludes soon. Let's all keep praying that JangBi can take down the Ultimate Weapon.
Praying to whom? JangBi is playing against God
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Wait with PR gone from the right side how do I view the real PR for this month and not just CBNC?
Thanks for helping out a noob.
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On August 25 2011 02:45 Ravencruiser wrote:
Wait with PR gone from the right side how do I view the real PR for this month and not just CBNC?
Thanks for helping out a noob.
It is on the top bar, under "Power Rank". Is it because I installed the TLBW script?
edit: Yes it is. Normally, it would be under "Features" on the top bar.
But can install the script as well, it's awesome.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258527
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This is so sad... No PR on the right hand side toolbar. I feel like TL pretty much abandoned BW.
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On August 24 2011 22:51 ligas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 21:34 Mortality wrote:On August 24 2011 12:24 agarangu wrote:
Ok, so Flash > SKT.
Also, Jaedong > Flash.
Therefore Jaedong > SKT, right?
All jokes aside, is there anyone in Oz one who can defeat Bisu? Because Bisu's vZ seemed to be too much for Jaedong in their last encounters, and killer is also a zerg. Hiya when he's on. On August 24 2011 13:39 ligas wrote:On August 24 2011 12:47 SimonB wrote:On August 24 2011 11:48 ligas wrote:On August 24 2011 11:14 Caladbolg wrote:
Not to beat a dead horse, but I just hoped SKT had prepared ALL 3 of their aces to potentially play the ace match. I'd actually rather have Fantasy up there than Best. Fantasy delivers in clutch situations like no other player. And yes, even Bisu (SKT's WL ace) everyone has 20/20 hindsight. given how best has consistently performed extremely well against flash in proleague (losing only ONCE prior to the grand finals) id say the managers and coaching staff wouldve been fools had they not chosen best. regardless of the outcome they made the correct the decision in picking best to snipe flash. Really? Hindsight, huh...On July 27 2011 04:00 SimonB wrote:
I always lol a little bit when I read about Best as an actual rival or opponent against Flash.
6-5 record against Flash, well done, but when Flash has played as many players as he has, statistically that's just going to happen sometimes. Best has little better chance against Flash than does Much, or Casy has against Jaedong.
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Bisu is so much better than Best in every way. H2H small samples shouldn't deceive you into thinking that Best is a good ace option. Fantasy would be better if it wasn't for his recent slump (which he may or may not be out of). Hindsight or not, he was always a ridiculous choice. Edit: Previous to this final, BeSt was in the group of TITANS like MUCH, TESTER, M18M, & UPMAGIC (and depending on what games you count that silly little player Jaedong) that had winning records against Flash. Now he joins the legions who are down a game in their H2H, and he has no claim to fame anymore. He is just a plain old shitty player now. fantasy is 1-4 against flash in proleague. the last time he played on circuit breaker against a terran was LAST YEAR. bisu has only beaten slumping/scrub terrans on circuit breaker and lost to tvp god...hiya. best was 5-1 against flash in proleague prior to the finals, and has beaten flash on circuit breaker. records dont lie and at least in proleague with his coaches and mates cheering for him, best for some reason has the edge against flash. bisu was a good choice but best was better. if it was a random map/random event or for instance against oz and obviously jd wouldve been the ace then yeah best wouldve been ridiculous. If we're going to talk about results on CB, Bisu is 7-1 in PvT and 1-1 against Hiya on that map. As for only playing scrubs, basically there are only 3 players who are consistently strong at TvP and one of them is on Bisu's team. Best was 1-4 on CB in PvT going into the finals, although his 1 win did come from Flash. [Note: I'm not counting the offline prelim victory over B-teamer Always.] In regular SPL season play, Best does have a h2h advantage over Flash, but that's the ONLY stat in Best's favor. dunno about you, but id always go with the guy with the winning record. next best thing wouldve been bisu whos 1-3 against handicapped flash this year and thats bisu playing in peak form. blame skt1 for letting it get to ace, just like the korean netizen's spl drawing: while skt1 is chock full of gosus, kt has flash 'nuff said.
4 games is hardly a compelling sample. Regardless, I've already written 3000+ words on this issue both before and after the final. I won't reiterate them.
On August 25 2011 02:28 agarangu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:14 Crisium wrote:
I am so pleased that it's harder to get to the PR.
Wait, no I'm not.
At least I know White Ra is the 5th best foreign SC2 player? Is that what it's saying?
OSL Ro8 concludes soon. Let's all keep praying that JangBi can take down the Ultimate Weapon. Praying to whom? JangBi is playing against God
Pray to the OLD GODS whose names have been forgotten in all but a few eldritch tomes of Starcraft lore.
Giyom, you who are called God From The Time Before Gods in the hallowed pages of the Necrobroodwaricon, I invoke thy spirit! IntoTheRain, Storm King Of The Stars, I call thy thunder! And to the elder Protoss spirit who achieved more success than any in the legendary Colosseum of Ongamenet, to the Emperor Slayer Garimto I say, "Let there be proxies!"
There, better?
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On August 25 2011 04:13 Lebesgue wrote:
This is so sad... No PR on the right hand side toolbar. I feel like TL pretty much abandoned BW.
I'm with you.
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On August 25 2011 05:46 Mortality wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 22:51 ligas wrote:On August 24 2011 21:34 Mortality wrote:On August 24 2011 12:24 agarangu wrote:
Ok, so Flash > SKT.
Also, Jaedong > Flash.
Therefore Jaedong > SKT, right?
All jokes aside, is there anyone in Oz one who can defeat Bisu? Because Bisu's vZ seemed to be too much for Jaedong in their last encounters, and killer is also a zerg. Hiya when he's on. On August 24 2011 13:39 ligas wrote:On August 24 2011 12:47 SimonB wrote:On August 24 2011 11:48 ligas wrote:On August 24 2011 11:14 Caladbolg wrote:
Not to beat a dead horse, but I just hoped SKT had prepared ALL 3 of their aces to potentially play the ace match. I'd actually rather have Fantasy up there than Best. Fantasy delivers in clutch situations like no other player. And yes, even Bisu (SKT's WL ace) everyone has 20/20 hindsight. given how best has consistently performed extremely well against flash in proleague (losing only ONCE prior to the grand finals) id say the managers and coaching staff wouldve been fools had they not chosen best. regardless of the outcome they made the correct the decision in picking best to snipe flash. Really? Hindsight, huh...On July 27 2011 04:00 SimonB wrote:
I always lol a little bit when I read about Best as an actual rival or opponent against Flash.
6-5 record against Flash, well done, but when Flash has played as many players as he has, statistically that's just going to happen sometimes. Best has little better chance against Flash than does Much, or Casy has against Jaedong.
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Bisu is so much better than Best in every way. H2H small samples shouldn't deceive you into thinking that Best is a good ace option. Fantasy would be better if it wasn't for his recent slump (which he may or may not be out of). Hindsight or not, he was always a ridiculous choice. Edit: Previous to this final, BeSt was in the group of TITANS like MUCH, TESTER, M18M, & UPMAGIC (and depending on what games you count that silly little player Jaedong) that had winning records against Flash. Now he joins the legions who are down a game in their H2H, and he has no claim to fame anymore. He is just a plain old shitty player now. fantasy is 1-4 against flash in proleague. the last time he played on circuit breaker against a terran was LAST YEAR. bisu has only beaten slumping/scrub terrans on circuit breaker and lost to tvp god...hiya. best was 5-1 against flash in proleague prior to the finals, and has beaten flash on circuit breaker. records dont lie and at least in proleague with his coaches and mates cheering for him, best for some reason has the edge against flash. bisu was a good choice but best was better. if it was a random map/random event or for instance against oz and obviously jd wouldve been the ace then yeah best wouldve been ridiculous. If we're going to talk about results on CB, Bisu is 7-1 in PvT and 1-1 against Hiya on that map. As for only playing scrubs, basically there are only 3 players who are consistently strong at TvP and one of them is on Bisu's team. Best was 1-4 on CB in PvT going into the finals, although his 1 win did come from Flash. [Note: I'm not counting the offline prelim victory over B-teamer Always.] In regular SPL season play, Best does have a h2h advantage over Flash, but that's the ONLY stat in Best's favor. dunno about you, but id always go with the guy with the winning record. next best thing wouldve been bisu whos 1-3 against handicapped flash this year and thats bisu playing in peak form. blame skt1 for letting it get to ace, just like the korean netizen's spl drawing: while skt1 is chock full of gosus, kt has flash 'nuff said. 4 games is hardly a compelling sample. Regardless, I've already written 3000+ words on this issue both before and after the final. I won't reiterate them. Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:28 agarangu wrote:On August 25 2011 01:14 Crisium wrote:
I am so pleased that it's harder to get to the PR.
Wait, no I'm not.
At least I know White Ra is the 5th best foreign SC2 player? Is that what it's saying?
OSL Ro8 concludes soon. Let's all keep praying that JangBi can take down the Ultimate Weapon. Praying to whom? JangBi is playing against God Pray to the OLD GODS whose names have been forgotten in all but a few eldritch tomes of Starcraft lore. Giyom, you who are called God From The Time Before Gods in the hallowed pages of the Necrobroodwaricon, I invoke thy spirit! IntoTheRain, Storm King Of The Stars, I call thy thunder! And to the elder Protoss spirit who achieved more success than any in the legendary Colosseum of Ongamenet, to the Emperor Slayer Garimto I say, "Let there be proxies!" There, better?
in the absence of any other measurable quality that only the coaches themselves have access to (in house rankings). what else is there?
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ghetto power rank :\
new tl =((((((
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lets see how killer and jd perform in stx finals
and who will be the better oz player in next pr
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