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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 25 2011 03:46 GMT
#241
On August 25 2011 08:45 ligas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 05:46 Mortality wrote:
On August 24 2011 22:51 ligas wrote:
On August 24 2011 21:34 Mortality wrote:
On August 24 2011 12:24 agarangu wrote:
Ok, so Flash > SKT.
Also, Jaedong > Flash.
Therefore Jaedong > SKT, right?

All jokes aside, is there anyone in Oz one who can defeat Bisu? Because Bisu's vZ seemed to be too much for Jaedong in their last encounters, and killer is also a zerg.


Hiya when he's on.

On August 24 2011 13:39 ligas wrote:
On August 24 2011 12:47 SimonB wrote:
On August 24 2011 11:48 ligas wrote:
On August 24 2011 11:14 Caladbolg wrote:
Not to beat a dead horse, but I just hoped SKT had prepared ALL 3 of their aces to potentially play the ace match. I'd actually rather have Fantasy up there than Best. Fantasy delivers in clutch situations like no other player. And yes, even Bisu (SKT's WL ace)


everyone has 20/20 hindsight. given how best has consistently performed extremely well against flash in proleague (losing only ONCE prior to the grand finals) id say the managers and coaching staff wouldve been fools had they not chosen best.

regardless of the outcome they made the correct the decision in picking best to snipe flash.


Really? Hindsight, huh...

On July 27 2011 04:00 SimonB wrote:
I always lol a little bit when I read about Best as an actual rival or opponent against Flash.

6-5 record against Flash, well done, but when Flash has played as many players as he has, statistically that's just going to happen sometimes. Best has little better chance against Flash than does Much, or Casy has against Jaedong.

....

Bisu is so much better than Best in every way. H2H small samples shouldn't deceive you into thinking that Best is a good ace option. Fantasy would be better if it wasn't for his recent slump (which he may or may not be out of).


Hindsight or not, he was always a ridiculous choice.

Edit: Previous to this final, BeSt was in the group of TITANS like MUCH, TESTER, M18M, & UPMAGIC (and depending on what games you count that silly little player Jaedong) that had winning records against Flash.

Now he joins the legions who are down a game in their H2H, and he has no claim to fame anymore. He is just a plain old shitty player now.



fantasy is 1-4 against flash in proleague. the last time he played on circuit breaker against a terran was LAST YEAR.

bisu has only beaten slumping/scrub terrans on circuit breaker and lost to tvp god...hiya.

best was 5-1 against flash in proleague prior to the finals, and has beaten flash on circuit breaker.


records dont lie and at least in proleague with his coaches and mates cheering for him, best for some reason has the edge against flash.

bisu was a good choice but best was better. if it was a random map/random event or for instance against oz and obviously jd wouldve been the ace then yeah best wouldve been ridiculous.


If we're going to talk about results on CB, Bisu is 7-1 in PvT and 1-1 against Hiya on that map. As for only playing scrubs, basically there are only 3 players who are consistently strong at TvP and one of them is on Bisu's team.

Best was 1-4 on CB in PvT going into the finals, although his 1 win did come from Flash. [Note: I'm not counting the offline prelim victory over B-teamer Always.]

In regular SPL season play, Best does have a h2h advantage over Flash, but that's the ONLY stat in Best's favor.


dunno about you, but id always go with the guy with the winning record. next best thing wouldve been bisu whos 1-3 against handicapped flash this year and thats bisu playing in peak form.

blame skt1 for letting it get to ace, just like the korean netizen's spl drawing: while skt1 is chock full of gosus, kt has flash 'nuff said.


4 games is hardly a compelling sample. Regardless, I've already written 3000+ words on this issue both before and after the final. I won't reiterate them.





On August 25 2011 02:28 agarangu wrote:
On August 25 2011 01:14 Crisium wrote:
I am so pleased that it's harder to get to the PR.

Wait, no I'm not.

At least I know White Ra is the 5th best foreign SC2 player? Is that what it's saying?

OSL Ro8 concludes soon. Let's all keep praying that JangBi can take down the Ultimate Weapon.


Praying to whom? JangBi is playing against God


Pray to the OLD GODS whose names have been forgotten in all but a few eldritch tomes of Starcraft lore.

Giyom, you who are called God From The Time Before Gods in the hallowed pages of the Necrobroodwaricon, I invoke thy spirit! IntoTheRain, Storm King Of The Stars, I call thy thunder! And to the elder Protoss spirit who achieved more success than any in the legendary Colosseum of Ongamenet, to the Emperor Slayer Garimto I say, "Let there be proxies!"



There, better?


in the absence of any other measurable quality that only the coaches themselves have access to (in house rankings). what else is there?


You could read the thousands of words I've written between this thread and the previous one? Other people have talked about the ace decision a lot as well. Intense speculation was going on basically from the moment KT advanced to the grand final. I'm not going to try to reiterate all of those arguments here.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines720 Posts
August 25 2011 03:50 GMT
#242
i thought someone said that the power rank wasn't going anywhere because sc2 still hasn't caught up to bw skillwise. WTF?
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Skytalker
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden671 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 06:58:32
August 25 2011 06:56 GMT
#243
noooooo why would you remove Power Rank from the main site! buuu


Even though most of TL's users nowadays are here for the SC2 scene i think the power rank on the main page was a way of getting interested in the bw scene as well.
Jaedong HWAITING!
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8066 Posts
August 25 2011 08:50 GMT
#244
I just feel like the PR is going to get next to no comments from here on out :/.
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
August 25 2011 13:12 GMT
#245
Bring back our PR!
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
August 25 2011 16:40 GMT
#246
Man what happened to the old mods or owners of TL?

Why do they hate BW so much now, they changed the default TLPD to all SC2 players and now they get rid of the PR... watch the next month a PR of SC2 using 60% of the front page.. lame.
Member #99999^99 of the fanclub of Grape, Reality and TurN
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 25 2011 18:31 GMT
#247
On August 26 2011 01:40 FranzF1 wrote:
Man what happened to the old mods or owners of TL?

Why do they hate BW so much now, they changed the default TLPD to all SC2 players and now they get rid of the PR... watch the next month a PR of SC2 using 60% of the front page.. lame.


Most of them are either inactive or into SC2. And so the better game suffers.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
August 25 2011 20:00 GMT
#248
I too was saddened to see power rankings off the front page, it think they could have just moved them down or something.
J.Dong
Profile Joined June 2010
United States102 Posts
August 26 2011 01:13 GMT
#249
aww no old PR I liked that so much and checked it almost every time I came on the site.

I guess it's fine though, I would like it though if there was an easy way to get to power rank without searching. Is there some new easy navigation implemented yet for PR?
I like corsairs.
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
August 26 2011 01:42 GMT
#250
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258527

check the scripts there
ace hwaiting!!
raviy
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia207 Posts
August 26 2011 05:59 GMT
#251
New PRs better be featured news, otherwise how the hell is anyone going to find them?
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
August 26 2011 08:48 GMT
#252
Well it's a guarantee that Flash is going to be #1 again since he's going to reverse Jangbang Jangbi. If Bisu rolls Jaedong and Killer in the STX finals then that should cement him at #2
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 11:36:38
August 26 2011 10:05 GMT
#253
On August 26 2011 14:59 raviy wrote:
New PRs better be featured news, otherwise how the hell is anyone going to find them?

Even if it is, people will find it the first week or so, then discussion will die because the comment count won't be visible from the main site anymore (to see if it was updated since you last checked).

Instead we have a liquipedia bar that only searches sc2 liquipedia, something you could already do with the regular TL search (which btw I believe is now also broken for bw liquipedia), and an ELO chart for sc2, which will be a huge spoiler every time the top progamers play a game and pass each other.

Should have moved the PR down on the bar to the bottom or something, not thrown it off completely. I mean, the Poll section is still there and its a lot less useful imo than a PR, and the TSL section is as static as can get. :/

Ah well, whats done is done.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
August 26 2011 12:31 GMT
#254
please ban soo from all future power ranks out of general principle
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 26 2011 12:58 GMT
#255
What's done can be undone. If the admins wish to undue it.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
August 26 2011 13:33 GMT
#256
On August 26 2011 21:31 sixfour wrote:
please ban soo from all future power ranks out of general principle


Actually I'd say he fits in on the new PR. Hidden away in some remote corner.
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
August 26 2011 14:05 GMT
#257
JANGBI SOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 26 2011 16:30 GMT
#258
God I can't believe this, SoO was supposed to get roflstomped by killer and everyone would realize he's just overhyped, instead killer gets DQ and he advances to ro4 -______-
Writer
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19367 Posts
August 26 2011 19:43 GMT
#259
On August 27 2011 01:30 swanized wrote:
God I can't believe this, SoO was supposed to get roflstomped by killer and everyone would realize he's just overhyped, instead killer gets DQ and he advances to ro4 -______-

spoiled
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 26 2011 21:47 GMT
#260
PR thread always contains spoilers...
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
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