EPTOn August 25 2011 08:45 ligas wrote:
in the absence of any other measurable quality that only the coaches themselves have access to (in house rankings). what else is there?
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On August 25 2011 05:46 Mortality wrote:
4 games is hardly a compelling sample. Regardless, I've already written 3000+ words on this issue both before and after the final. I won't reiterate them.
Pray to the OLD GODS whose names have been forgotten in all but a few eldritch tomes of Starcraft lore.
Giyom, you who are called God From The Time Before Gods in the hallowed pages of the Necrobroodwaricon, I invoke thy spirit! IntoTheRain, Storm King Of The Stars, I call thy thunder! And to the elder Protoss spirit who achieved more success than any in the legendary Colosseum of Ongamenet, to the Emperor Slayer Garimto I say, "Let there be proxies!"
There, better?
On August 24 2011 22:51 ligas wrote:
dunno about you, but id always go with the guy with the winning record. next best thing wouldve been bisu whos 1-3 against handicapped flash this year and thats bisu playing in peak form.
blame skt1 for letting it get to ace, just like the korean netizen's spl drawing: while skt1 is chock full of gosus, kt has flash 'nuff said.
On August 24 2011 21:34 Mortality wrote:
Hiya when he's on.
If we're going to talk about results on CB, Bisu is 7-1 in PvT and 1-1 against Hiya on that map. As for only playing scrubs, basically there are only 3 players who are consistently strong at TvP and one of them is on Bisu's team.
Best was 1-4 on CB in PvT going into the finals, although his 1 win did come from Flash. [Note: I'm not counting the offline prelim victory over B-teamer Always.]
In regular SPL season play, Best does have a h2h advantage over Flash, but that's the ONLY stat in Best's favor.
On August 24 2011 12:24 agarangu wrote:
Ok, so Flash > SKT.
Also, Jaedong > Flash.
Therefore Jaedong > SKT, right?
All jokes aside, is there anyone in Oz one who can defeat Bisu? Because Bisu's vZ seemed to be too much for Jaedong in their last encounters, and killer is also a zerg.
Ok, so Flash > SKT.
Also, Jaedong > Flash.
Therefore Jaedong > SKT, right?
All jokes aside, is there anyone in Oz one who can defeat Bisu? Because Bisu's vZ seemed to be too much for Jaedong in their last encounters, and killer is also a zerg.
Hiya when he's on.
On August 24 2011 13:39 ligas wrote:
fantasy is 1-4 against flash in proleague. the last time he played on circuit breaker against a terran was LAST YEAR.
bisu has only beaten slumping/scrub terrans on circuit breaker and lost to tvp god...hiya.
best was 5-1 against flash in proleague prior to the finals, and has beaten flash on circuit breaker.
records dont lie and at least in proleague with his coaches and mates cheering for him, best for some reason has the edge against flash.
bisu was a good choice but best was better. if it was a random map/random event or for instance against oz and obviously jd wouldve been the ace then yeah best wouldve been ridiculous.
On August 24 2011 12:47 SimonB wrote:
Really? Hindsight, huh...
Hindsight or not, he was always a ridiculous choice.
Edit: Previous to this final, BeSt was in the group of TITANS like MUCH, TESTER, M18M, & UPMAGIC (and depending on what games you count that silly little player Jaedong) that had winning records against Flash.
Now he joins the legions who are down a game in their H2H, and he has no claim to fame anymore. He is just a plain old shitty player now.
On August 24 2011 11:48 ligas wrote:
everyone has 20/20 hindsight. given how best has consistently performed extremely well against flash in proleague (losing only ONCE prior to the grand finals) id say the managers and coaching staff wouldve been fools had they not chosen best.
regardless of the outcome they made the correct the decision in picking best to snipe flash.
On August 24 2011 11:14 Caladbolg wrote:
Not to beat a dead horse, but I just hoped SKT had prepared ALL 3 of their aces to potentially play the ace match. I'd actually rather have Fantasy up there than Best. Fantasy delivers in clutch situations like no other player. And yes, even Bisu (SKT's WL ace)
Not to beat a dead horse, but I just hoped SKT had prepared ALL 3 of their aces to potentially play the ace match. I'd actually rather have Fantasy up there than Best. Fantasy delivers in clutch situations like no other player. And yes, even Bisu (SKT's WL ace)
everyone has 20/20 hindsight. given how best has consistently performed extremely well against flash in proleague (losing only ONCE prior to the grand finals) id say the managers and coaching staff wouldve been fools had they not chosen best.
regardless of the outcome they made the correct the decision in picking best to snipe flash.
Really? Hindsight, huh...
On July 27 2011 04:00 SimonB wrote:
I always lol a little bit when I read about Best as an actual rival or opponent against Flash.
6-5 record against Flash, well done, but when Flash has played as many players as he has, statistically that's just going to happen sometimes. Best has little better chance against Flash than does Much, or Casy has against Jaedong.
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Bisu is so much better than Best in every way. H2H small samples shouldn't deceive you into thinking that Best is a good ace option. Fantasy would be better if it wasn't for his recent slump (which he may or may not be out of).
I always lol a little bit when I read about Best as an actual rival or opponent against Flash.
6-5 record against Flash, well done, but when Flash has played as many players as he has, statistically that's just going to happen sometimes. Best has little better chance against Flash than does Much, or Casy has against Jaedong.
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Bisu is so much better than Best in every way. H2H small samples shouldn't deceive you into thinking that Best is a good ace option. Fantasy would be better if it wasn't for his recent slump (which he may or may not be out of).
Hindsight or not, he was always a ridiculous choice.
Edit: Previous to this final, BeSt was in the group of TITANS like MUCH, TESTER, M18M, & UPMAGIC (and depending on what games you count that silly little player Jaedong) that had winning records against Flash.
Now he joins the legions who are down a game in their H2H, and he has no claim to fame anymore. He is just a plain old shitty player now.
fantasy is 1-4 against flash in proleague. the last time he played on circuit breaker against a terran was LAST YEAR.
bisu has only beaten slumping/scrub terrans on circuit breaker and lost to tvp god...hiya.
best was 5-1 against flash in proleague prior to the finals, and has beaten flash on circuit breaker.
records dont lie and at least in proleague with his coaches and mates cheering for him, best for some reason has the edge against flash.
bisu was a good choice but best was better. if it was a random map/random event or for instance against oz and obviously jd wouldve been the ace then yeah best wouldve been ridiculous.
If we're going to talk about results on CB, Bisu is 7-1 in PvT and 1-1 against Hiya on that map. As for only playing scrubs, basically there are only 3 players who are consistently strong at TvP and one of them is on Bisu's team.
Best was 1-4 on CB in PvT going into the finals, although his 1 win did come from Flash. [Note: I'm not counting the offline prelim victory over B-teamer Always.]
In regular SPL season play, Best does have a h2h advantage over Flash, but that's the ONLY stat in Best's favor.
dunno about you, but id always go with the guy with the winning record. next best thing wouldve been bisu whos 1-3 against handicapped flash this year and thats bisu playing in peak form.
blame skt1 for letting it get to ace, just like the korean netizen's spl drawing: while skt1 is chock full of gosus, kt has flash 'nuff said.
4 games is hardly a compelling sample. Regardless, I've already written 3000+ words on this issue both before and after the final. I won't reiterate them.
On August 25 2011 02:28 agarangu wrote:
Praying to whom? JangBi is playing against God
On August 25 2011 01:14 Crisium wrote:
I am so pleased that it's harder to get to the PR.
Wait, no I'm not.
At least I know White Ra is the 5th best foreign SC2 player? Is that what it's saying?
OSL Ro8 concludes soon. Let's all keep praying that JangBi can take down the Ultimate Weapon.
I am so pleased that it's harder to get to the PR.
Wait, no I'm not.
At least I know White Ra is the 5th best foreign SC2 player? Is that what it's saying?
OSL Ro8 concludes soon. Let's all keep praying that JangBi can take down the Ultimate Weapon.
Praying to whom? JangBi is playing against God
Pray to the OLD GODS whose names have been forgotten in all but a few eldritch tomes of Starcraft lore.
Giyom, you who are called God From The Time Before Gods in the hallowed pages of the Necrobroodwaricon, I invoke thy spirit! IntoTheRain, Storm King Of The Stars, I call thy thunder! And to the elder Protoss spirit who achieved more success than any in the legendary Colosseum of Ongamenet, to the Emperor Slayer Garimto I say, "Let there be proxies!"
There, better?
in the absence of any other measurable quality that only the coaches themselves have access to (in house rankings). what else is there?
You could read the thousands of words I've written between this thread and the previous one? Other people have talked about the ace decision a lot as well. Intense speculation was going on basically from the moment KT advanced to the grand final. I'm not going to try to reiterate all of those arguments here.
