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fant0m
964 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:53 nokz88 wrote: I wonder if anyone noticed the fuckin blockbuster matchup we got in our hands next week: IMMVP vs ST.Bomber Sooooooo pumped! Code A finals rematch, DUN DUN DUN! Lets see if MVP really has been stepping up his game since that loss. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:58 fant0m wrote: Code A finals rematch, DUN DUN DUN! Lets see if MVP really has been stepping up his game since that loss. This is gonna be so awesome. Right now, TvT is the only match-up where MVP can be beaten. Bomber, Ryung, MMA seem like the best candidates to take him down, can't wait! I actually WANT to see this TvT. | ||
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fant0m
964 Posts
On September 20 2011 21:49 Toppp wrote: WTF why so many No's? That TvT was INSANELY high level and extreme late game with 2 of the best TvTers in SC2. Seriously. I don't even like TvT and that was an epic match. Better than G1 of MVP vs. TOP on Daybreak imo. More bases involved. Both players balanced on a razor's edge, Ryung about to go down but makes a clutch tech switch, etc.... | ||
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Drygioni
Japan379 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:05 fant0m wrote: Seriously. I don't even like TvT and that was an epic match. Better than G1 of MVP vs. TOP on Daybreak imo. More bases involved. Both players balanced on a razor's edge, Ryung about to go down but makes a clutch tech switch, etc.... I almost fell asleep during that game. They just sat on split map until they both mined out and like MrCon said, game ended with a single battle. Boooooring. Now Clide vs MVP. That was an epic high level late game TvT with awesome strats and decision making from both sides. It was exciting the whole way through. | ||
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Oken
Sweden129 Posts
 Puzzle Dear god Ryungs TvT is scary. Best candidate to take down MVP this GSL... | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
Puzzle, you were my hope and dream; I am zerg and by default hate protoss, but ugh... | ||
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ZOMGitsTHEEND
Canada202 Posts
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:38 Drygioni wrote: I almost fell asleep during that game. They just sat on split map until they both mined out and like MrCon said, game ended with a single battle. Boooooring. Now Clide vs MVP. That was an epic high level late game TvT with awesome strats and decision making from both sides. It was exciting the whole way through. MVP knows how to entertain | ||
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EtohEtoh
Canada669 Posts
I want to say that if that game was the future of TvT like artosis said it was, then it is a sad, sad future for gomtvt the only late game engagement before the final battle was them sending mules at each other clide vs mvp was amazing though, stayed awake through the group, even though it was like 6 am | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:58 setzer wrote: I see the winner of MVP vs Bomber is going to take this season. I think I agree with this. Although I'm not sure if Bomber can take down Nestea. His TvZ has gotten to be pretty good though, but Nestea will be able to prepare with MVP for that match. What am I saying anyways, MVP will be Bomber (i hope) | ||
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Leifish
851 Posts
Banshee control is unreal. | ||
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hai2u
688 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:07 Maghetti wrote: My definition of gimmicky is probably roughly something that works based on your opponent making a mistake. It is why i view bio vs mech to be gimmicky because you need to catch the meching player making a mistake to kill them. 50% was a rough guess. Whenever I say "like" in that context it is supposed to represent that it is a rough estimate. The point simply being he cheeses waaaaay more than your typical high level terran. I didn't say he always 1bases, he does play straight forward plenty as well. Also I understand that the 1/1/1 was his surest way to get back to code S, but it is also a build I respect terrans for not using. It is 1 basing on steroids. I find it shameful whenever used really. As for Ryung, I am not against cheese 100% of the time. It is a good tactic as a reaction to a greedy opening, or something to mix into your play to prevent people from blind countering you. Plus what Ryung did wasn't really cheese as he was going mech, the rax had little importance and was there to counter the typical MKP build. I already cleared this up. He got popular from very cool stuff like marine splits vs baneling, etc, etc, etc. I get why he got popular. I didn't enjoy his play back in those days nearly as much as some because I felt it was gimmicky but I still enjoyed it a lot. What I don't get is why he still has as many fans as he does. The game has changed a lot and yet these days he still does a lot of things that are quite boring. No one enjoys 2 rax allins or 1/1/1s, etc. It has been a long time since he has shown enjoyable play. So many gimmicks, so many boring cheeses and base trades, etc. I just do not find his style enjoyable at all. I feel if he didn't have the famous past and showed up just 1 GSL ago people would not be into him at all. I'm getting pretty lazy to continue this discussion so i'm just gonna quote some examples in my counter argument, and I might draw some wrath about quoting this example to put out another point (as this comparison is going to be total night and day), but what about Boxer? He looked amazing back in Season 2 until he hit the brick wall that is named Nestea, did okay for a few seasons then totally fell off the map. Yet the crowd cheer for him at MLG is louder than any other I heard before (at least from what i can tell from the videos). How about Jinro? Legendary swedish player who had it to the ro4 twice in a row, practically declared one of the best foreigner terrans for a while then as fast as he rose to the top, he fell from code S then out of the GSL totally, and looked uninspired at it too. Yet we still love him, cheer for him, waiting for the day he shows us the strength and the command he once showed us back in December/January. Granted, the circumstances of these players are a little different to MKP and that they deserve their fans and support but imagine we disregard a players past and only look at their current/most recent results. Boxer? Who is he? He's a mediocore terran who only recently scored 3rd place at MLG because foreigners weren't good enough. Why should we have invited him in the AoL? Should have invited better players there. And another reinvite for MLG Orlando? Pftt, he had his chance, should've invited someone new. Jinro? He's a has been, a relic of the past, now only getting as far as the group stages or the first round after the group stages in any overseas tournament packed full of foreigners (not even koreans mind you...). God these people/failures in SC2 who don't even show results in the last few months don't deserve our respect, our love for them. I didn't watch broodwar so disclaimer warning on whatever I said about boxer as my admiration and respect for him only stems from his hype and reputation, but my point still stands. It is rather short-sighted to only view the present as to who deserves our love and respect and forget whatever they have done in the past. On another quote of what you said: + Show Spoiler + What I don't get is why he still has as many fans as he does. The game has changed a lot and yet these days he still does a lot of things that are quite boring. No one enjoys 2 rax allins or 1/1/1s, etc. It has been a long time since he has shown enjoyable play. So many gimmicks, so many boring cheeses and base trades, etc. I just do not find his style enjoyable at . A better question would be then (a question alot of people love to use when questioning the loyalty of a fan): If you are only a fan of a player for as long as his play/his results are applicable in the present time, were you a fan of that player in the first place? Shouldnt we as fans support the players we love and respect through his up and downs? His hard times and his achievements? If we base on what you said earlier then why isnt the MVP fanbase somewhere along the lines of "omfg he's bonjwa he's the best fucking terran in the world we should all be a fan of that guy"?, why doesnt he have the biggest fanclub in the world? Why does idra, who recently all it seems he does is put up hissy fits, losing games against a newcomer trimaster still commands a legion of fans? - (no disrespect to MVP here, he really is the best terran in the world atm, too early to be called Bonjwa though, and of course, idra, we love him for who he is) Why doesn't MKP, who captured our hearts with his ground breaking marine micro and bio style play way back in season 2, still deserves to hold our hopes and dreams for him to once again rise up to his former glory and finally for once, get that championship that has eluded him thus far? | ||
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:06 marttorn wrote: The age old "truth" of the balance whiner: If you lose in the early game, it's cheese. If you lose in the midgame, it's all-in If you lose in the lategame, it's imbalance. totally like this. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
W the current system, it's going to be a long while before Code S has equal race representation. | ||
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