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HeathenHill
Australia22 Posts
As I said I agree Avilo sometimes carries on but I love Terran Mech. Avilo has a unique way of doing it, I really enjoy just sitting there and watching him once he gets a roll on. I've taken things from his stream, applied them into my play and felt stoked when I pull something off that was totally influenced by Him. So there is a huge positive right there. If you get no positives from his stream I don't understand why you would bother. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
The discussion I wanted to open was about whetger him having an interesting style is more of a pro than the outbursts of negativity he produces. As a newcomer you're going to think the game is a joke and half the people can't properly spell their name if you have to believe what Avilo says all the time. Do we want him as a streamer? YES PLEASE Do we want him as a featured streamer? I'm really not so sure, especially after his response to critisism. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
Being featured gives you a certain prestige to the newer/more irregular viewers. With Avilo's attitude towards the game and the competition, is this prestige something he deserves and is he the kind of person we want to draw more attention to from 'the outside'? | ||
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
On November 26 2013 22:42 SC2Toastie wrote: Something I might nog have been clear about but might actually be the root of all confusion: Being featured gives you a certain prestige to the newer/more irregular viewers. With Avilo's attitude towards the game and the competition, is this prestige something he deserves and is he the kind of person we want to draw more attention to from 'the outside'? Yes and yes. For those familiar with the history of the SC2 community, it's no surprise that players with a controversial image and attitude tend to be the most popular; Idra, Stephano, Naniwa, Destiny, etc. All of them have their fair share of haters and people who disapprove of things they say or do when they play or when they stream. All of them are/have been some of the most popular streamers, not despite, but because of their personality. Avilo is no different in that regard. Controversial personalities may recieve (sometimes rightfully) a lot of criticism for their behavior, but in the long run, personalities such as theirs help build the scene. Players like that are a big part of what new and casual fans of Starcraft tend to be attracted by. In that regard, I don't think Avilo's attitude is a problem as much as it is an asset. Don't get me wrong; obviously some people (including myself, at times) can be bothered by a player being overly negative on a stream, and there's nothing wrong in itself with criticizing someone for what you percieve as excessive negativity (as long as your criticism is at least somewhat respectful and well-founded and not just bandwagon hate, which is something Avilo in particular has recieved in heaps in the past), but a personality such as Avilo's will, in the long run, be of benefit for the community rather than a detriment. As for the "featured streamer"-status specifically: Being featured is due to him being popular. It's not supposed to be a reward for good conduct or excellent sportsmanship, it's just there because a lot of people like watching him. And if a lot of people like watching him, having him on top of the streamers list makes perfect sense. If a new potential member of the community stumbles across this site and looks at the list, he will see the most popular streamer - i.e. the one most people in the community are interested in - on top. Having it any other way wouldn't make any sense. Hiding a popular streamer away from sight because you are afraid he doesn't accurately represent the community to a newcomer doesn't make any sense. If Avilo is one of the most poular streamers, that means that a large portion of the community likes watching him, which in turn means that he is an excellent representation of a large part of the community. You see what I'm saying? You may not like him (and that's fine), but a large part of the community does, and denying him featured status because you want newcomes to get a different first impression of the community would be to lie about what a large part of the community is. Which would make no sense. You may not like his attitude, but a large part of the community does, and pretending otherwise by hiding his stream would be dishonest. I mean, obviously there's a line somewhere. If Avilo was an outspoken Nazi sympathiser who frequently murdered cats on stream, I wouldn't want him to be featured either. He's not, though. He's just a loud guy who is vocal about percieved imbalances and the percieved skill of his opponents, and as such, he's in cood company with plenty of other Starcraft-players who have proven in the past to be assets to the community rather than problems. Not all Starcraft-streams have to be for everyone. For those who dislike negative attitude and dismissive comments about oppenents, there's plenty of other streams to watch. I don't approve of Avilo's attitude all the time either, and I can understand and agree with some of the criticism against him, but that doesn't mean that I think he shouldn't be a part of the community or that we should pretend that he's not. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
I suppose Avilo has just crossed that thin line in a very grey area you are talking about FOR ME PERSONALLY, just as I dislike IdrA and Stephano. | ||
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
On November 27 2013 01:43 SC2Toastie wrote: With the exception of me not being of the opinion that Avilo's viewership is a representative group for the SC2 community, I can see what you say and I suppose there's some great merit to that. Thanks for the response, you've really shown another side of this matter that I clearly oversaw. I suppose Avilo has just crossed that thin line in a very grey area you are talking about FOR ME PERSONALLY, just as I dislike IdrA and Stephano. I understand what you're saying. I don't necessarily think Avilo's viewers are representative for the SC2 community as a whole either, I was just trying to make the point that they are representative for a part of it, and judging by him being one of the more popular streamers right now, that part is pretty big. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
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Arkansassy
358 Posts
 You should wear the "Haters made me famous" shirt more often, cuz it seems to be a legit statement. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Arkansassy
358 Posts
Thank you | ||
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HeathenHill
Australia22 Posts
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LittleRedBoy
United States229 Posts
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Arkansassy
358 Posts
Thank you. | ||
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hazeh
France9 Posts
When I first discovered Twitch and Starcraft 2 this was actually one of the first streams I came across, the resulting thought was "If this is Starcraft, this game sucks and the community is retarded". Luckily Avilo is unique in this matter. Why is this featured? Why is this guy a "thing"? Why? | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On December 06 2013 21:47 hazeh wrote: I am baffled by how this can be called a featured stream when the only thing you will ever see on this channel is whining. 0% Starcraft - 100% bitching. When I first discovered Twitch and Starcraft 2 this was actually one of the first streams I came across, the resulting thought was "If this is Starcraft, this game sucks and the community is retarded". Luckily Avilo is unique in this matter. Why is this featured? Why is this guy a "thing"? Why? becose he is the only player so skilled that can win games in GM with health bar off ! | ||
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
On December 06 2013 21:47 hazeh wrote: I am baffled by how this can be called a featured stream when the only thing you will ever see on this channel is whining. 0% Starcraft - 100% bitching. When I first discovered Twitch and Starcraft 2 this was actually one of the first streams I came across, the resulting thought was "If this is Starcraft, this game sucks and the community is retarded". Luckily Avilo is unique in this matter. Why is this featured? Why is this guy a "thing"? Why? He's featured because he has a lot a viewers. He has a lot of viewers because he has a unique playstyle and, despite the whining, what appears to be genuine enthusiasm and energy for the game. Not everyone's cup of tea, obviously, but it's apparent to anyone who's watched him for more than 2 minutes that his stream is definitely not 100 % whining. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On December 07 2013 01:20 starslayer wrote: I came here to say what i like and dont like and what i think avilo should and shouldnt do but hes is his own man so hes going to do what ever he wants no matter what i say, but what i would like to say is i wish avilo would play in more tourneys if he is still trying to be a "progamer" and join a team(which i wish he would do even if its a smaller unknown team because he would get 10x better with teammates but that's a different story).he did play in zotac cup a couple times but i haven't seen him do it in a while or at least stream it which is fine if he doesn't want to stream it but my point is i wish he would play more tourneys such as zotac cup NA and EU also z33k.com has a couple ok prize pools that he could take ezpz also Go4sc2 if he can get in somehow and any other tourney he can get into. unless he has decided to just be a personality/streamer then thats fine and nvm to all that i just said but if you are still trying to be a pro please hit up more tourneys and show the world how to mech it happen. last i understand there aren't that many tourneys in the NA scene but hit up every single one you can and if you really want to make it also try the EU tourneys too. glglgl in what ever you do avilo and sorry if this is hard to read just throwing my thought on here. keep it up fuck the haters your the man glhf I'm still playing competitively. I am going to start doing the weekend cups like zotac more consistently as well. As for the other tournies...what tourneys? The few big ones you have to qualify for, and of course i'll do my best to play and try to qualify still. Streaming in the long run will be a more reliable source of income so i'm doing my best to have a fun and entertaining stream that also show cases high level play and innovative play that you won't see many other players doing or attempting. And of course commentary explaining thought processes or just funny commentary as much as i can :D On December 06 2013 21:47 hazeh wrote: I am baffled by how this can be called a featured stream when the only thing you will ever see on this channel is whining. 0% Starcraft - 100% bitching. When I first discovered Twitch and Starcraft 2 this was actually one of the first streams I came across, the resulting thought was "If this is Starcraft, this game sucks and the community is retarded". Luckily Avilo is unique in this matter. Why is this featured? Why is this guy a "thing"? Why? Nice try. My stream has a nice following, lots of loyal viewers, and i stream consistent hours during the afternoon and night and have a unique play style + beat lots of other very good players all the time. As for rage or whining or whatever, everyone that streams has had those days or does it at some point. Most people that have watched my stream for a while, or even new viewers that tune in know i commentate virtually all my games, the entire time while playing, which can be a huge draw because i'm commentating and conveying my thoughts about the game as i play it in real time. Soooo....as i've told other people and everyone will tell you - if you don't like the stream don't watch it. A lot of people obviously do enjoy my stream and most people that have seen it realize that i'm not a bad guy like a lot of the community tried to paint me out to be and i do contribute a lot to people learning the game as well through my commentary and analysis. I hate raging, but when i do i try and keep it as funny and entertaining as possible | ||
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Metalcore1993
New Zealand92 Posts
+ im sure a lot of other terrans share his opinion on things, i know i do when it comes to toss  . | ||
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klup
France612 Posts
Great playstyle, Great live analysis and advices to copy his style. But as everyone says less QQ more PewPew would be the way to improve his stream quality. People love trash talk so I'm not sure if he QQ less he would have more viewers.I think it would be the opposite. The stream is always top 5 starcraft in twitch when no major event displayed. Just sayin' | ||
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