EPTHe could never have rules "Hey his hand is beyond the last line, if's offside". This just generously on one line. Even if he was closer to really be offside, it's still on one line unless he is clearly ahead.
Croatia vs Spain - Group C Matchday 3 - Page 15
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alderamin
80 Posts
He could never have rules "Hey his hand is beyond the last line, if's offside". This just generously on one line. Even if he was closer to really be offside, it's still on one line unless he is clearly ahead. | ||
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TheConquereer
Spain183 Posts
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keioh
France1099 Posts
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
 . But thats how it is, cauld easy stand 1:0 for Cro too I would say. But in the end it was a damn good football game and just this matters. So well my two favorite Teams in same group. My country out so GoGo Spain!Lets Hope Torres gets his killer instinct back. Thx@Keioh but we all know, as long germany qualifies for tournements their will just be easy groups for germans and they will call it then again ofc the group of death. Even if they would play in a group with Luxenburg, Austria and USA ^^ | ||
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hns
Germany609 Posts
On June 19 2012 17:21 tadL wrote: Thx@Keioh but we all know, as long germany qualifies for tournements their will just be easy groups for germans and they will call it then again ofc the group of death. Even if they would play in a group with Luxenburg, Austria and USA ^^ What's your problem here now? Random Germany bashing? Sure you would have volunteered to have The Netherlands, Portugal and Denmark in your group or what? | ||
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
And yes ofc we would like all others who got kicked out ^^ | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
Its prolly easier to get out of the groups in the WC than the EC. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
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hns
Germany609 Posts
On June 19 2012 18:24 tadL wrote: Did I upset you with the truth? And yes ofc we would like all others who got kicked out ^^ I'm very eager to hear the truth about difficulty of groups. So, please bless us with your wisdom or stop acting like a troll. | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3972 Posts
On June 19 2012 18:43 DaCruise wrote: Croatia played well in all matches and its a shame that they are out but thats just how the EC is with 3 groups of death. Good teams get knocked out. Its prolly easier to get out of the groups in the WC than the EC. Prolly? It sure is, even a crappy team like ours can make it out of the groups there . | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
oh and germany was in a group of death this year. that is for sure. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
That was probably the clearest penalty in this tournament so far. Don't see them getting far with performances like that, and even Greece was more inspiring than last night. e. That was not an offside goal, in this tournament we've had way too many wrong offside calls and that was not one. Navas being offside when the pass came to Iniesta didn't matter at all, he had 0% influence on that situation. Croatian defence was trying to offside-trap Iniesta and failed, end of story. I really hope Spain would start using a striker in their formation. A proper one like Llorente. | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
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alderamin
80 Posts
Did you watch both parts completely? If so I don't know what to say. | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
Iniesta passed the ball to Navas. Navas was offside (passive offside) when the ball was passed to Iniesta. There would be no offside if Iniesta had scored the goal and Navas hadn't touched it. But Navas scored (so his passive offside became active offside) and thus the goal shouldn't count as explained in your video. EDIT: Actually, I think I get it now. But I'm pretty sure that this rule was changed a couple of years ago and my logic would have applied before the change. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
Well, in this video, Michael Ballack says the goal is onside, so unless you know something he doesn't, I'm going to take Ballack's word that the goal is onside. | ||
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alderamin
80 Posts
You really want to say that once you are offside once you are for the entire game? The only way he could have been offside is if you rule he should be penalized for when Iniesta got the ball. You can claim he got an advantage being offside at that point because he ends up scoring. But wheneteher he was onside or offside wouldn't have made a difference so where is the advantage?. The defenders tried an offside trap and failed. That pass on Iniesta is where the goal was won and Iniesta was onside. Gaining an advantage means the ball deflects from the post or from an opponent. You can try to stretch it as far as the Croatia vs Ireland goal but refs don't even do that. There has been some debate about if this rule is a good rule. You can have several players be offside and use them as a distraction and pass the ball to soneone who is barely onside. This is why with free kicks there is otften someone offside on purpose. There is a grey area where passive offside should be penalized and FIFA has said they are looking into simplifying the rule and doing away with passive and active offside. But the rule as it is is at it is. So don't know how one can claim it was offside. | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On June 19 2012 10:10 alderamin wrote: Dude you were already told you interpret the rule wrong. What more can be said? Being part of active play when offside means you are penaltilised. He wasn't. He didn't interfere or take part in the play because he didn't touch the ball. Only later in a new situation when Iniesta passed him the ball Navas was offside. Then the question is if he had an advantage from being in an offside position when he was passively offside. I would argue he wasn't. The refs apparently judged that even the goal of Croatia vs Ireland was not an advantage being offside. I would say that could be an example where a player is passively offside with an advantage. By that video, he was in the offside, because he was part of the active play via having an advantage by being in that position (very close to the other player so the ball could have been passed to him to avoid the goalkeeper and score a goal). But it's over now, so it doesn't matter. gg | ||
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Plague1503
Croatia466 Posts
But seriously, I don't think anyone expected anything different, unless they're a deluded fanboy. Quality Croatian football died back in like 1998, lol. Not to mention our quality national football league with teams (including the two "strongest" ones, NK Dinamo and NK Hajduk) which would probably lose to a paraolympic team with 2 red cards. | ||
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