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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:42 xN.07)MaK wrote: IMO the tackle on Mandzukic was dangerous but not penalty. At most indirect kick (same punishment as when your feet almost hits other's head). it was a foul but it was outside of the box | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
dunno what the fuck is wrong with Pique and Busquets | ||
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BoB_KiLLeR
Spain620 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:56 Vernom wrote: funny thing is Pique did the same thing against Paraguay on World Cup, but the referee whistled and Casillas stopped the pen dunno what the fuck is wrong with Pique and Busquets It's because Pique and Busquets play for Barcelona. | ||
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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:59 BoB_KiLLeR wrote: It's because Pique and Busquets play for Barcelona. Mourinho found xD You might think that the common thing is to forget about teams when it comes to national team's championships, but again, Spain is different. | ||
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:39 NuclearJudas wrote: Navas is taking the run the same time as Iniesta, but when the ball was struck, he clearly showed that he wasn't going for it, so his offside is effectively gone as he leaves the situation as Iniesta (who didn't seem to be offside) gets the ball instead. New situation: Iniesta has the ball and wants to pass to Navas, who is not offside in this new situation. Navas gets the ball and is not offside, after which he scores the winner. Please, don't create new football rules. The moment ball is about to get passed they both take part in that action. That moment Iniesta is not on offside, Navas is. There is end of this action as there should be called obvious offside by Navas. There wasnt called offside couse referee made a mistake. Navas is taking part in the action as he is clearly absorbing defenders attention. He is not comming back from offside position, he is running towards goalkeeper and he is a valid target for a pass. Again, do not create new football rules just couse you so want to defend incorrect decision couse it benefits team you do support. I didn't saw that match, i coudl't care less for either Croatia or Spain, but rules are rules and this was offside. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4280 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:21 Narw wrote: Please, don't create new football rules. The moment ball is about to get passed they both take part in that action. That moment Iniesta is not on offside, Navas is. There is end of this action as there should be called obvious offside by Navas. There wasnt called offside couse referee made a mistake. Navas is taking part in the action as he is clearly absorbing defenders attention. He is not comming back from offside position, he is running towards goalkeeper and he is a valid target for a pass. Again, do not create new football rules just couse you so want to defend incorrect decision couse it benefits team you do support. I didn't saw that match, i coudl't care less for either Croatia or Spain, but rules are rules and this was offside. IMHO he is actually right. No contact, no running in the direction of the ball nothing. In portugal people are very anal about offsides and not a single commentator talked about navas. Some argued that maybe iniesta was off but there was zero talk about navas and when there is nobody (here) crying about it, chances are there is no chance in hell there is offside lol. To me the only doubt should be about Iniesta and not Navas. If Iniesta was on, then the goal has no problem. This was a really boring game. I expected much more from this two teams but I get the "respect" for the opponent was too big to produce a better game. I believe Spain is good enough to push harder and produce a better game and that Croatia, as soon as Italy scored, should have switch into attacking mode since there was no point in hoping that Ireland would turn the result around after Italy's first goal. Lets hope for some better games tomorrow! | ||
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alderamin
80 Posts
If Navas was just onside or barely offside, he gained no advantage from that. The Croats tried an offside trap but failed since Iniesta was onside. Passive offside for Navas is allowed. And he was onside when he took part in the play. There is some grey area and contradiction in the passive and active offence rules. But this one was not an example. The goal vs Ireland was. | ||
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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:21 Narw wrote: Please, don't create new football rules. The moment ball is about to get passed they both take part in that action. That moment Iniesta is not on offside, Navas is. There is end of this action as there should be called obvious offside by Navas. There wasnt called offside couse referee made a mistake. Navas is taking part in the action as he is clearly absorbing defenders attention. He is not comming back from offside position, he is running towards goalkeeper and he is a valid target for a pass. Again, do not create new football rules just couse you so want to defend incorrect decision couse it benefits team you do support. I didn't saw that match, i coudl't care less for either Croatia or Spain, but rules are rules and this was offside. Everybody is telling you, you are completely wrong. Even if Navas was on the goal line if later he goes back and recieves the pass from Iniesta, is NOT offside. At least in Europe. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4280 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:48 alderamin wrote: Actually the rule is that you are penaltilized for being in an offside position if you take part in active play(which means you literally touch the ball, always), obstruct the opponent or gain an advantage from being offside. If Navas was just onside or barely offside, he gained no advantage from that. The Croats tried an offside trap but failed since Iniesta was onside. Passive offside for Navas is allowed. And he was onside when he took part in the play. There is some grey area and contradiction in the passive and active offence rules. But this one was not an example. The goal vs Ireland was. Exactly my point. Here we call it positional instead of passive offside but the point is the same and that was what I was trying to tell. Navas did not touch the ball or ran in the ball's direction when the pass for Iniesta was made. Proof of that is that it was a pass "to Iniesta" there was no doubt about it. The positional off side is allowed and because of that the goal is valid if you rule that Iniesta was on side. It is not making up rules. The positional off side (or passive and active off sides) rules/guide lines are not exactly new. | ||
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marconi
Croatia220 Posts
GG Spain, and vgg to our players :D | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
Croatia missed its chances to advance in game against Italy and also when Spain didn't defeat Italy in first game (where they had more chances to score then Italy). Also we spent our luck for vs Ireland game (2 of our goals were lucky). Croatia loses but both Modrić and Mandžukić win as after their performances they are sure to get good offers. They both looked good enough to play on Spanish team. Also it was funny when 4 players would advance on Iniesta and he would keep the ball and bring it out with him :D Also we managed to force Spanish players return the ball to their goalkeeper a couple of times so we consider ourselves winners for that alone :D | ||
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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
On June 19 2012 09:15 -Archangel- wrote: Also we managed to force Spanish players return the ball to their goalkeeper a couple of times so we consider ourselves winners for that alone :D That's very common if you follow Spain, it's something stylistic. Before losing the ball, give it to the goalkeeper so we can start again. But overall you did a very good job. I was surprised you didn't attack more at the end though, we were willing to concede the tie but you refused to take it  | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:21 Narw wrote: Please, don't create new football rules. The moment ball is about to get passed they both take part in that action. That moment Iniesta is not on offside, Navas is. There is end of this action as there should be called obvious offside by Navas. There wasnt called offside couse referee made a mistake. Navas is taking part in the action as he is clearly absorbing defenders attention. He is not comming back from offside position, he is running towards goalkeeper and he is a valid target for a pass. Again, do not create new football rules just couse you so want to defend incorrect decision couse it benefits team you do support. I didn't saw that match, i coudl't care less for either Croatia or Spain, but rules are rules and this was offside. no one is "creating" rules to defend their team. you're misinterpreting what you don't understand | ||
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alderamin
80 Posts
Don't think Croatia could have done anytbing more vs Span. That header of Rakitic should have been in but that's bad luck I guess. | ||
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
On June 19 2012 09:46 askTeivospy wrote: no one is "creating" rules to defend their team. you're misinterpreting what you don't understand Was Navas taking part in that action? Check. Was Navas on offside when pass happened? Check. Was there offside? Check. | ||
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alderamin
80 Posts
He didn't interfere or take part in the play because he didn't touch the ball. Only later in a new situation when Iniesta passed him the ball Navas was offside. Then the question is if he had an advantage from being in an offside position when he was passively offside. I would argue he wasn't. The refs apparently judged that even the goal of Croatia vs Ireland was not an advantage being offside. I would say that could be an example where a player is passively offside with an advantage. | ||
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blapsd
England121 Posts
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Deathfate
Spain555 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:10 gasmeter wrote: Since you are Croatian, you are likely to be biased. Under closer inspection, it is pretty clear. The only parts pf the body that count are the ones which can hit the ball, so the foot of the Croatian player is clearly behind Iniesta's shoulder... | ||
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