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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:25 r00ty wrote: You're right! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/z6Yl9.jpg)  I still tink the passive offside from navas became offside. It's not how it works, at least in La Liga. You can be offside as long as the pass is not direct to you, allowed to intervene after the first pass. Afaik this was changed a couple of years ago. | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:25 purgerinho wrote: well, i have to be fair and admit you were robbed against south korea.. i don't remember that game against italy but it was long time ago.. you were robbed last time 10 years ago.. we were robbed so many times i can't count anymore.. everytime if there is a close game shit happens I dont think that is right to be blaming against Spain when we wanted Croatia to qualify with us, blame referee, not us. And dont start with that discussion about who was robbed more times, please. Now, sleep and we can talk tomorrow when u calm down. | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:29 xN.07)MaK wrote: It's not how it works, at least in La Liga. You can be offside as long as the pass is not direct to you, allowed to intervene after the first pass. Afaik this was changed a couple of years ago. I dont think so, I think that is offside if you attack too, doesnt matter if the pass is direct to you or not. So I think that was offside by Navas but dunno. | ||
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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:26 Thurken wrote: Yes, Iniesta is not offside, but Navas is... Nevermind, that goal had little effect on the fate of Croatia In fact most people in Spain were praying Croatia to put the ball in the box at least once, so "something" could happen. Especially after all the thrash talk coming from Italy. | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:25 Vernom wrote: Seriously? I understand u are angry, but dont be blind. silva complained few times, one time it was step too far, but not for stark.. strinic had yellow card after complainig, corluka had yellow after complaining after clear foul on mandzukic in first half.. after they were robbed two times in one minute (penalty on corluka and offside) of course they were complaining.. | ||
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mevshero
911 Posts
horrible. | ||
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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:31 Vernom wrote: I dont think so, I think that is offside if you attack too, doesnt matter if the pass is direct to you or not. So I think that was offside by Navas but dunno. I've seen thousands of goals like that one, or even worse, when the pass goes to the person offside this guy let's the ball pass and then goes to the other side to recieve the goal pass. It's really common. | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:31 Vernom wrote: I dont think so, I think that is offside if you attack too, doesnt matter if the pass is direct to you or not. So I think that was offside by Navas but dunno. it wasn't because it is a new situation.. that rule was changed | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:31 purgerinho wrote: silva complained few times, one time it was step too far, but not for stark.. strinic had yellow card after complainig, corluka had yellow after complaining after clear foul on mandzukic in first half.. after they were robbed two times in one minute (penalty on corluka and offside) of course they were complaining.. So u are saying the yellow cards were right (the last ones), ok. And dont forget about the slap to Pique. | ||
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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:31 purgerinho wrote: silva complained few times, one time it was step too far, but not for stark.. strinic had yellow card after complainig, corluka had yellow after complaining after clear foul on mandzukic in first half.. after they were robbed two times in one minute (penalty on corluka and offside) of course they were complaining.. Edit: Enough is enough | ||
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gasmeter
United Kingdom249 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:26 Thurken wrote: Yes, Iniesta is not offside, but Navas is... Nevermind, that goal had little effect on the fate of Croatia Navas was not interfering with play. He only became involved in the play once Iniesta played the ball to him, at which point the fact the he was offside on the pass to Iniesta is void. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
That said Croatia impressed me a lot and I'm sad that the team does not advance to the next round. | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:34 Vernom wrote: So u are saying the yellow cards were right (the last ones), ok. And dont forget about the slap to Pique. no, corlukas yellow was not right because if stark did what he has to do there would be foul on mandzukic and ramos would get a yellow for that start.. but start didn't do it and after that he punished our player for his mistake.. other cards are deserved if you are talking about slap in our box it would be harsh to call it because mandzukic had no intention to slap him and pique was far away from the ball. if you are talking about that situation | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
If one would to argue for Croatia, taking a closer look at the two penalty situations would be smarter imo. Mandzukic gets stopped by Ramos. Ramos hits the ball, but the tackle is very dangerous. Imagine Ramos getting there a split-second later. Mandzukic risks getting seriously injured. The situation could go either way, but imo it's a penalty. Regardless if it's a penalty or not, I think Ramos should have gotten booked or severely warned not to go into a situation like that again. Second penalty situation. Corner for Croatia. Corluka goes up and wins the header, which goes out. The replay shows him getting pulled down hard by the Spanish defender. Very clear penalty, imo, but it looked like a very hard situation for the ref. One could also argue that Spain could have gotten a penalty their way, when Pique got an arm in the face. Pique dives for it, imo, but I wouldn't be up in arms if a penalty was given. Sad that Croatia is out. They showed good play and a will to win against the top dogs. Better luck next time. Edit: fixed odd typo. | ||
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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:38 purgerinho wrote: no, corlukas yellow was not right because if stark did what he has to do there would be foul on mandzukic and ramos would get a yellow for that start.. but start didn't do it and after that he punished our player for his mistake.. other cards are deserved if you are talking about slap in our box it would be harsh to call it because mandzukic had no intention to slap him and pique was far away from the ball. if you are talking about that situation Slap is a slap, even unintentionally. It's like ball hitting your hand when there's a shot. That excuse ended way long ago. | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:38 purgerinho wrote: no, corlukas yellow was not right because if stark did what he has to do there would be foul on mandzukic and ramos would get a yellow for that start.. but start didn't do it and after that he punished our player for his mistake.. other cards are deserved if you are talking about slap in our box it would be harsh to call it because mandzukic had no intention to slap him and pique was far away from the ball. if you are talking about that situation Im not talking about Corlukas yellow, so forget about that one, im talking about the last ones, if u say other cards were deserved we dont have to discuss about that. About the slap to Pique, that was pen, that doesnt matter if he didnt have intention to slap Pique or he was far from ball, pen is pen. | ||
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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:39 NuclearJudas wrote: Navas is taking the run the same time as Iniesta, but when the ball was struck, he clearly showed that he wasn't going for it, so his offside is effectively gone as he leaves the situation as Iniesta (who didn't seem to be offside) gets the ball instead. New situation: Iniesta has the ball and wants to pass to Navas, who is not offside in this new situation. Navas gets the ball and is not offside, after which he scores the winner. If one would to argue for Croatia, taking a closer look at the two penalty situations would be smarter imo. Mandzukic gets stopped by Ramos. Ramos hits the ball, but the tackle is very dangerous. Imagine Ramos getting there a split-second later. Mandzukic risks getting seriously injured. The situation could go either way, but imo it's a penalty. Regardless if it's a penalty or not, I think Ramos should have gotten booked or severely warned not to go into a situation like that again. Second penalty situation. Corner for Croatia. Corluka goes up and wins the header, which goes out. The replay shows him getting pulled down hard by the Spanish defender. Very clear penalty, imo, but it looked like a very hard situation for the ref. One could also argue that Spain could have gotten a penalty their way, when Pique got an arm in the face. Pique dies for it, imo, but I wouldn't be up in arms if a penalty was given. Sad that Croatia is out. They showed good play and a will to win against the top dogs. Better luck next time. IMO the tackle on Mandzukic was dangerous but not penalty. At most indirect kick (same punishment as when your feet almost hits other's head). | ||
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r00ty
Germany1057 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:29 xN.07)MaK wrote: It's not how it works, at least in La Liga. You can be offside as long as the pass is not direct to you, allowed to intervene after the first pass. Afaik this was changed a couple of years ago. Yeah there might have been a change, i don't know. I just got some scenes in my head from older matches where this would have been offside as soon as Navas gets passed the ball (passive becomes active offside). There's still too many "if"s to Croatia really being able to complain... I just think it's a pity, that modrics genius pass wasn't rewarded with an assist. Best action of the game. Was not impressed by Spain, but i'm very sure they will step up their game. I doubt Germany can beat you, if we meet. Iniesta is an absolute beast! Curse your golden generation! | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:39 xN.07)MaK wrote: Slap is a slap, even unintentionally. It's like ball hitting your hand when there's a shot. That excuse ended way long ago. it would be too harsh to call it in that situation because it was dangerous play, there was no intention and it was in a box | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
On June 19 2012 06:45 purgerinho wrote: it would be too harsh to call it in that situation because it was dangerous play, there was no intention and it was in a box So that was penalty, ok. Thanks for making that clear. | ||
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