1 GK Stipe Pletikosa - Rostov 2 DF Ivan Strinić - Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk 3 DF Josip Šimunić - Dinamo Zagreb 4 DF Jurica Buljat - Maccabi Haifa 5 DF Vedran Ćorluka - Bayer Leverkusen 6 DF Danijel Pranjić - Bayern Munich 7 MF Ivan Rakitić - Sevilla 8 MF Ognjen Vukojević - Dynamo Kyiv 9 FW Nikica Jelavić - Everton 10 MF Luka Modrić - Tottenham Hotspur 11 MF Darijo Srna (c) - Shakhtar Donetsk 12 GK Ivan Kelava - Dinamo Zagreb 13 DF Gordon Schildenfeld - Eintracht Frankfurt 14 MF Milan Badelj - Dinamo Zagreb 15 DF Šime Vrsaljko - Dinamo Zagreb 16 MF Tomislav Dujmović - Real Zaragoza 17 FW Mario Mandžukić - VfL Wolfsburg 18 FW Nikola Kalinić - Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk 19 MF Niko Kranjčar - Tottenham Hotspur 20 MF Ivan Perišić - Borussia Dortmund 21 DF Domagoj Vida - Dinamo Zagreb 22 FW Eduardo - Shakhtar Donetsk 23 GK Danijel Subašić - Monaco
Coach: Slaven Bilić On 10 May 2012 a provisional list of 27 players was announced. On 29 May, the final 23 man squad was announced. On 4 June 2012, Ivica Olić was ruled out with a injury and was replaced by Nikola Kalinić. On 7 June 2012, Ivo Iličević was ruled out with a injury and was replaced by Šime Vrsaljko.
Croatia had to add a new face to their squad at the last minute as defender Sime Vrsaljko was rushed in to replace the injured midfielder Ivo Ilicevic. Vedran Corluka is a doubt with a thigh strain, but manager Slaven Bilic is confident the versatile defender will be fit.
1 GK Iker Casillas (c) - Real Madrid 2 DF Raúl Albiol - Madrid 3 DF Gerard Piqué - Barcelona 4 MF Javi Martínez - Athletic Bilbao 5 DF Juanfran Torres - Atlético Madrid 6 MF Andrés Iniesta - Barcelona 7 FW Pedro Rodríguez - Barcelona 8 MF Xavi Hernández - Barcelona 9 FW Fernando Torres - Chelsea 10 MF Cesc Fàbregas - Barcelona 11 FW Álvaro Negredo - Sevilla 12 GK Víctor Valdés - Barcelona 13 MF Juan Mata - Chelsea 14 MF Xabi Alonso - Real Madrid 15 DF Sergio Ramos - Real Madrid 16 MF Sergio Busquets - Barcelona 17 DF Álvaro Arbeloa - Real Madrid 18 DF Jordi Alba - Valencia 19 FW Fernando Llorente - Athletic Bilbao 20 MF Santi Cazorla - Málaga 21 MF David Silva - Manchester City 22 MF Jesús Navas - Sevilla 23 GK Pepe Reina - Liverpool
Coach: Vicente del Bosque Vicente del Bosque named a squad to play in a set of warm-up matches on 15 May 2012, but it did not include any Barcelona, Athletic Bilbao, or Chelsea players as the two Spanish sides were preparing for the Copa del Rey final on 25 May, while Chelsea were to take on Bayern Munich in the Champions League final on 19 May. On 21 May 2012, del Bosque called-up Chelsea players Fernando Torres and Juan Mata for the friendly matches. On 27 May, del Bosque gave the final squad list, complete with Barcelona and Athletic Bilbao players.
Spain might start the same team that beat Ireland comfertably, with Torres once again leading the line. The only injury concern in the Spain camp, was that of Busquets but he has overcome his problem and is fit to play
The scary thing is that I think Croatia has an outside shot of winning this, and if they do and Italy wins (and lets be real, even with how much I love Ireland, they're the worst team in the tournament), Spain is actually out. The shitstorm that would ensue would be legendary.
On June 18 2012 23:06 Stratos_speAr wrote: The scary thing is that I think Croatia has an outside shot of winning this, and if they do and Italy wins (and lets be real, even with how much I love Ireland, they're the worst team in the tournament), Spain is actually out. The shitstorm that would ensue would be legendary.
Think all the Germans will celebrate like they have won the tournament if that happend xD But like you, the way Croatia set up and the way they play, they have the power to hurt spain. Whether they will get enough of the ball to make this happen or when they get it, use it well and grab a goal that is another story!
On June 18 2012 23:06 Stratos_speAr wrote: The scary thing is that I think Croatia has an outside shot of winning this, and if they do and Italy wins (and lets be real, even with how much I love Ireland, they're the worst team in the tournament), Spain is actually out. The shitstorm that would ensue would be legendary.
Think all the Germans will celebrate like they have won the tournament if that happend xD But like you, the way Croatia set up and the way they play, they have the power to hurt spain. Whether they will get enough of the ball to make this happen or when they get it, use it well and grab a goal that is another story!
I would not be so happy. It would mean you have to face Croatia and you know what we did to you last two times we met
Spain will be out tonight. Croatia an italy gonna win their games ;D nah dont belive it my self. Hoping spain and italy will make it and we will see a great game. Spain 3 : 1 Croatia
On June 18 2012 23:06 Stratos_speAr wrote: The scary thing is that I think Croatia has an outside shot of winning this, and if they do and Italy wins (and lets be real, even with how much I love Ireland, they're the worst team in the tournament), Spain is actually out. The shitstorm that would ensue would be legendary.
Think all the Germans will celebrate like they have won the tournament if that happend xD But like you, the way Croatia set up and the way they play, they have the power to hurt spain. Whether they will get enough of the ball to make this happen or when they get it, use it well and grab a goal that is another story!
I would not be so happy. It would mean you have to face Croatia and you know what we did to you last two times we met
No Germans will be happy! Don't worry England go out next round whoever they play (Spain/Croatia/Italy) i meant Germans be celebrating as if they won the whole tournament as no Threat will be left xD
win against Croatia draw against Croatia, score unimportant Italy dosent win against Ireland
Croatia goes through if: win against Spain Italy doesnt win against Ireland if draw against Spain with a min of 2:2 or higher (there is one more complicatet with fifa coeficient)
Italy goes through if: win against Ireland and a winner in Spain against Croatia win against Ireland and a 0:0 in Spain vs Croatia, if Spain vs Croatia ends 1:1 Italy have to win with 2 goals, but not 2:0. at 3:1 the Fifa Coefficient comes into play
On June 19 2012 00:31 Shikyo wrote: What happens to Italy if 1-1?
Then Italy have to at least match Croatias score against Ireland I think.
Then all 3 (spa, cro, ita) have completely equal head-to-head-records. Then this tie is solved by overall goal difference. This means Italy has to at least win by 3-1 or higher to advance (in case of 3-1 they beat croatia by better UEFA-coefficient if I'm not completely wrong). edit: posted just to clarify.
On June 19 2012 01:10 marconi wrote: it's going to be really hard vs Spain, we have some chances but they are slim at best. We can only hope that luck is going to be on our side today :D
To be honest you'll need a lot of help from Ireland and from Italy itself. Spain is an amazing team and if shit gets hard they jump up a level and crush. I like Croatia and liked your games so far but I dont think Italy will fuck up and your chances against Spain dont look that good.
Good luck thou, this is the game Im watching toninght, no doubt.
GO Spain, crush those croats - would be better for Germany if Spain were eliminated, but it just dislike several croatian players, especially Mandzukic...
@ Rooty: It's not only the diving, but also the fact that he likes to elbow defenders when fighting for the ball.
Schildenfeld plays at my club and he sucks. Anything but he getting raped would be a real surprise.
On June 19 2012 03:27 DragoonTT wrote: GO Spain, crush those croats - would be better for Germany if Spain were eliminated, but it just dislike several croatian players, especially Mandzukic...
Ye no one likes divers! 2 seasons ago he dived and acted a bit against my club and we got a red. Bastard!
Just imagine if Messi had chosen to play for Spain intead of Argentina. Would probably have been the best squad ever assembled (they're close enough already).
Looked like a penalty to me, but I'll need a second view to decide for real. Both teams have been really careful with their attacking since the almost-penalty.
On June 19 2012 04:18 Thurken wrote: Croatian players should be ashamed of themselves...Faking and faulting
No one was faking anything Manđukić has just 2 left feet so he hurt himself more than Ramos hurt him. Again,not a penalty imo.
My bad, i did not want to blame the player who must have hurt himself, but there was clearly no penalty and asking for it like they did and at the same time kicking the spain players time after time was really not classy.
On June 19 2012 04:36 sharkie wrote: Croatia should lead this game 1 - 0, it was a clear penalty. You don't tackle with studs in front
Yes because referee deciding game outcome is best, right? There was nowhere near dangerous situation.
How the shit can you say that wasn't dangerous? Penalty or not, that is a really dangerous challenge. After seeing the situation again, for me it's a clear penalty. You don't go in with your studs first. COuld have seriously injured Mandy. And I'm a huge Ramos fan, for the record.
On June 19 2012 04:40 Telcontar wrote: How the fuck is that a pen? He got the ball, and the croatian player hit ramos' foot with his own. LOOOOOOOOL
As sharkie said: "You don't tackle with studs in front"
It's the same like high leg (?), straight leg (?), tackles from behind, elbows in air-fights. It's a foul.
Just because you go up with studs showing doesn't make it an automatic foul. That's not how it works. There has to be contact. In this case, Ramos got the ball cleanly and the contact was made by the croatian. No foul.
his leg was too high but FOUL was not in the box. But it was clear foul because of a dangerous play. Stark was too scared to call it, like he is scared in many situations. He lost my respect in champions league and now he just showing that he can be influenced
But this is the most boring game of euro and i'm glad Italy has a lead because now croatia must win to go furher. I would rather see them lose with brave play than look at this shitty defending without any attempts
On June 19 2012 04:27 NuclearJudas wrote: Italy in the lead :o. Does this put Croatia in third place?
Checked it on uefa, current standings are: 1. Italy 2. Spain 3. Croatia 4. Ireland
no Italy needs to win 3-0 or 3-1.
3 teams tie, check who has scored more goals than the others between those 3 teams. Italy made it 1 1 twice whereas Croatia & Spain made it 1 1 & 0 0 therefore Italy is first. But if Spain Croatia is 1 1 indeed you're right, but if Spain & Croatia are 2 2 they're both qualified no matter what.
On June 19 2012 04:40 Telcontar wrote: How the fuck is that a pen? He got the ball, and the croatian player hit ramos' foot with his own. LOOOOOOOOL
As sharkie said: "You don't tackle with studs in front"
It's the same like high leg (?), straight leg (?), tackles from behind, elbows in air-fights. It's a foul.
Just because you go up with studs showing doesn't make it an automatic foul. That's not how it works. There has to be contact. In this case, Ramos got the ball cleanly and the contact was made by the croatian. No foul.
No, have you never seen people get yellows going with studs up? Even though there was ZERO contact. Contact does not matter, nor does playing the ball in this situation.
On June 19 2012 04:40 Telcontar wrote: How the fuck is that a pen? He got the ball, and the croatian player hit ramos' foot with his own. LOOOOOOOOL
As sharkie said: "You don't tackle with studs in front"
It's the same like high leg (?), straight leg (?), tackles from behind, elbows in air-fights. It's a foul.
Just because you go up with studs showing doesn't make it an automatic foul. That's not how it works. There has to be contact. In this case, Ramos got the ball cleanly and the contact was made by the croatian. No foul.
No, have you never seen people get yellows going with studs up? Even though there was ZERO contact. Contact does not matter, nor does playing the ball in this situation.
Its interpretative really, sometimes they give it sometimes they dont, this Euro theyve been a lot more lenient, I think its fine he got the ball first and he got kicked.
They can even give cards where the tackle was avoided and it was studs up if it resulted in a loss of posession just for intent, but I mean if he got the ball not much you can say, its 50 50. Not worth giving a pen.
On June 19 2012 04:51 lefix wrote: When a 7 times referee of the year watches the replays and says it's clearly a penalty, it probably is
Or just makes it a penalty he would give, the rules have never really been ironclad on this sort of stuff. I could just easily see it being given but I dont think its really all that wrong all things considered.
On June 19 2012 04:50 Prof. Protoss wrote: too bad I would have loved to see how it went from there
Yeah, I was about to say that earlier. A Croatian goal would have put some real pace into the game.
How a Croatian goal can add real pace to this game? lol, they are actually out with this draw and they are playing so defensive, a goal just put them in an even more defensive position lol
On June 19 2012 04:50 Prof. Protoss wrote: too bad I would have loved to see how it went from there
Yeah, I was about to say that earlier. A Croatian goal would have put some real pace into the game.
How a Croatian goal can add real pace to this game? lol, they are actually out with this draw and they are playing so defensive, a goal just put them in an even more defensive position lol
It puts the need to score in the hands of the Spanish rather than the Croats. If the latter won't do anything, maybe the former will.
On June 19 2012 04:50 Prof. Protoss wrote: too bad I would have loved to see how it went from there
Yeah, I was about to say that earlier. A Croatian goal would have put some real pace into the game.
How a Croatian goal can add real pace to this game? lol, they are actually out with this draw and they are playing so defensive, a goal just put them in an even more defensive position lol
Croatia has to score in this position. They're being crazy careful, but they still need a goal here, and that goal would put Spain behind. Spain is perfectly content with rolling the ball sideways for 45 more minutes and getting to the quarters.
The game reminds me a lot of Denmark-Germany, with one team being completely out of creativity, and the other one defending valiantly yet having to score.
Watch the replay again people. Iniesta was on for Cesc's pass, and Navas was on for Iniesta's pass. Navas being offside for Cesc's pass to Iniesta doesn't matter under the current offside rules.
The goal was neither offside nor after a handball, 100% correct decision (for once!). Navas was passively offside when Iniesta got the ball, but perfectly onside when receiving himself
On June 19 2012 05:35 skrzmark wrote: Iniesta wasn't offsides but the other guy was the guy who SCORED. Which means it should of been no goal.
That means you dont know football rules. Iniesta was not offside , he recived a ball. When iniesta passes a ball ITS NEW ACTION , so no offside. Go read rules.
On June 19 2012 05:35 sharkie wrote: This German referee is a disgrace to football.
So is saying shit like this without knowing the rules of the game.
You should be careful yourself (see discussion about the penalty in the 1st half). Studs up is always a foul (you claimed otherwise).
Studs up might be penalised for dangerous intent anywhere else on the pitch, but if you know football at all, you know things work differently in and around the penalty box. Besides, Ramos took the ball CLEANLY. It was a risky, but good tackle.
Croatia deserved at least a tie. Good performance by them in this game and the tournament overall. I felt they were hard done in the two penalty situations. Pretty lacklustre performance from Spain. They will have it hard in their quarter, whether it's France or England.
On June 19 2012 05:41 NuclearJudas wrote: Croatia deserved at least a tie. Good performance by them in this game and the tournament overall. I felt they were hard done in the two penalty situations. Pretty lacklustre performance from Spain. They will have it hard in their quarter, whether it's France or England.
On June 19 2012 05:35 sharkie wrote: This German referee is a disgrace to football.
So is saying shit like this without knowing the rules of the game.
You should be careful yourself (see discussion about the penalty in the 1st half). Studs up is always a foul (you claimed otherwise).
Studs up might be penalised for dangerous intent anywhere else on the pitch, but if you know football at all, you know things work differently in and around the penalty box. Besides, Ramos took the ball CLEANLY. It was a risky, but good tackle.
Man, tell me your address I go buy you a rules book. You seem to have clearly no idea how the rules work.
Always a shitstorm with expert opinions on offside rulings and studsup shit when the man in the middle was reasonably consistent with the way he called it.
Would like to see France vs Italy again. Both playing some good football. Spain vs England wouldn't be too bad either, but I fear it'll be another barca vs chelsea, spain vs croatia....etc.
On June 19 2012 05:41 NuclearJudas wrote: Croatia deserved at least a tie. Good performance by them in this game and the tournament overall. I felt they were hard done in the two penalty situations. Pretty lacklustre performance from Spain. They will have it hard in their quarter, whether it's France or England.
It's gonna be ukraine!
One can hope. I don't see them beating England, though.
On June 19 2012 05:35 sharkie wrote: This German referee is a disgrace to football.
So is saying shit like this without knowing the rules of the game.
You should be careful yourself (see discussion about the penalty in the 1st half). Studs up is always a foul (you claimed otherwise).
Studs up might be penalised for dangerous intent anywhere else on the pitch, but if you know football at all, you know things work differently in and around the penalty box. Besides, Ramos took the ball CLEANLY. It was a risky, but good tackle.
good effort by Croatia . 1) Spain 2)Croatia would have been nice, oh well, cant have anything. This way the road for an Spain - Germany final is clear.
On June 19 2012 05:45 aqui wrote: good effort by Croatia . 1) Spain 2)Croatia would have been nice, oh well, cant have anything. This way the road for an Spain - Germany final is clear.
this spain can't beat france/england, del bosque is lost in space and they play without idea
Iniesta showing once again that he's the best player on the Spanish team, imo. Great decision making, passing and technique. Amazing player. Modric was great for Croatia as well. The two MVPs of the game for me.
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Iniesta is not offside. He is given the ball. Yes, Navas is offside in the first situation, but he isn't affecting play. When he gets served by Iniseta it's a new situation and he is onside. Correct goal.
If anything, Iniesta's hand is in front of the other player. His centre of mass is in line with the defender, imo.
Wow, Spain were really lucky to win this game tonight! They saw a lot of the ball, as expected, and created a lot of chances, but failed to convert most of them. Glad to see them through to the quarter finals though as they are the best team in the competition on their day.
attack before their goal it was clear foul on corluka because arbeola hold him with both hands and he pushed him down in goal opportunity.. uefa's irony
On June 19 2012 05:57 purgerinho wrote: attack before their goal it was clear foul on corluka because arbeola hold him with both hands and he pushed him down in goal opportunity.. uefa's irony
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Iniesta is not offside. He is given the ball. Yes, Navas is offside in the first situation, but he isn't affecting play. When he gets served by Iniseta it's a new situation and he is onside. Correct goal.
iniestas shoulder is in front of everyone so yes, it is offsde.. and attack before it it was clear penalty for croatia.. i can speak whatever i want now but nothing will change.. every duel was in their favour.. i can't chagne anything i can just hate and
'm so sad our fans didn't throw 100 flares in the field, just to show no respect to organization that show no respect to "small" teams so many years
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
Wrong, every body part that is legal to score a goal with counts. The screen's perspective makes it look like Iniesta is offside, but the PoV is skewed - with a line, it becomes pretty obvious that he's onside.
About yellow cards: Most spanish fouls were pushing down croatian players in challenges, while croatian fouls were harsher (Srna, Mandzukic as expected with the elbows) and complaining a lot.
I've never seen a team being eliminated and not pressuring nor attacking till the end. I was praying Croatia to score, but it seemed they didn't want to in the last 15 min.
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
In response to everybody saying that Iniesta's shoulder is in front of all the defenders and hence he is offside... are you crazy?
If you look closely, bearing in mind that the camera angle is not straight on, when the ball is played, Iniesta is clearly behind the last defender and hence is not offside.
Well croatian should have had 1 pen for sure, maybe even 1 more (spain however could have had 1 pen too iirc). Goal seems like a case of "in doubt decide for the forward".
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
You don't know the rules. Every body part a goal can legally be scored with counts. yw
edit: just educating i don't want to be in the position of judging that in a pro game. I wouldn't blame the ref.
I'm always getting confused about passive offside becoming offside. I just know, when it's a new game situation it doesn't matter, but wtf is a new situation...
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
so many complaints by croatian players
silva complained after every foul against him but spain is spain, croatia is croatia
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
Spain has been doing nothing but disappoint me every game this tournament. Makes me wish Messi was Spanish so he can give some much needed drive in this side.
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
But Iniesta's shoulder was not in an offside position. In fact, all of Iniesta's body is behind the last defender except for his hand.
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
But Iniesta's shoulder was not in an offside position. In fact, all of Iniesta's body is behind the last defender except for his hand.
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
But Iniesta's shoulder was not in an offside position. In fact, all of Iniesta's body is behind the last defender except for his hand.
i think the angle is misleading, you also have to consider that the foot of the defender, who is right in front of iniesta is on the ground and iniesta's shoulder is 5 ft / 170 cm in the air. but whatever...
On June 19 2012 06:05 Ysellian wrote: Spain has been doing nothing but disappoint me every game this tournament. Makes me wish Messi was Spanish so he can give some much needed drive in this side.
Talk about Netherlands LOL. From runner up to 0 points in 3 matches.
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
But Iniesta's shoulder was not in an offside position. In fact, all of Iniesta's body is behind the last defender except for his hand.
no
In no universe is this offiside, open your eyes man!
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
But Iniesta's shoulder was not in an offside position. In fact, all of Iniesta's body is behind the last defender except for his hand.
no
Since you are Croatian, you are likely to be biased. Under closer inspection, it is pretty clear.
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
But Iniesta's shoulder was not in an offside position. In fact, all of Iniesta's body is behind the last defender except for his hand.
no
Since you are Croatian, you are likely to be biased. Under closer inspection, it is pretty clear.
ijust put this situation in right angle.. i'm angry because attack before this OFFSIDE it was a clear penalty kick on corluka
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
But Iniesta's shoulder was not in an offside position. In fact, all of Iniesta's body is behind the last defender except for his hand.
no
Since you are Croatian, you are likely to be biased. Under closer inspection, it is pretty clear.
ijust put this situation in right angle.. i'm angry because attack before this OFFSIDE it was a clear penalty kick on corluka
It's not like I would be sad with a tie, but after all this whinning you totally deserved it
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
Spain is every referee's favourite team.
And this is based on... Hate I guess.
no, facts - real madrid, barcelona
spains basketball team, handball teams etc.. i don't know why you are so loved by officials..
The moment Iniesta got the ball he wasn't on offside position. Navas was on offside position and was TAKING part in the action, which you can even see on that screenshot that was posted 2-3 pages ago. The moment ball was passed to Iniesta there should be end of action, and there should be called offside (offside position commited by Navas)..
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
But Iniesta's shoulder was not in an offside position. In fact, all of Iniesta's body is behind the last defender except for his hand.
no
Since you are Croatian, you are likely to be biased. Under closer inspection, it is pretty clear.
ijust put this situation in right angle.. i'm angry because attack before this OFFSIDE it was a clear penalty kick on corluka
It's not like I would be sad with a tie, but after all this whinning you totally deserved it
i hope you'll be robbed in next game, just so you could see how does it feel.. you are from spain so don't know it yet
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
But Iniesta's shoulder was not in an offside position. In fact, all of Iniesta's body is behind the last defender except for his hand.
no
Since you are Croatian, you are likely to be biased. Under closer inspection, it is pretty clear.
ijust put this situation in right angle.. i'm angry because attack before this OFFSIDE it was a clear penalty kick on corluka
It's not like I would be sad with a tie, but after all this whinning you totally deserved it
i hope you'll be robbed in next game, just so you could see how does it feel.. you are from spain so don't know it yet
We've been robed by Italy in EEUU's world cup, and then by Korea in Korea's WC. Don't say we don't know what it feels.
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
so many complaints by croatian players
silva complained after every foul against him but spain is spain, croatia is croatia
Seriously? I understand u are angry, but dont be blind.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
But Iniesta's shoulder was not in an offside position. In fact, all of Iniesta's body is behind the last defender except for his hand.
no
Since you are Croatian, you are likely to be biased. Under closer inspection, it is pretty clear.
ijust put this situation in right angle.. i'm angry because attack before this OFFSIDE it was a clear penalty kick on corluka
It's not like I would be sad with a tie, but after all this whinning you totally deserved it
i hope you'll be robbed in next game, just so you could see how does it feel.. you are from spain so don't know it yet
We've been robed by Italy in EEUU's world cup, and then by Korea in Korea's WC. Don't say we don't know what it feels.
well, i have to be fair and admit you were robbed against south korea.. i don't remember that game against italy but it was long time ago.. you were robbed last time 10 years ago.. we were robbed so many times i can't count anymore.. everytime if there is a close game shit happens
On June 19 2012 06:17 Narw wrote: The moment Iniesta got the ball he wasn't on offside position. Navas was on offside position and was TAKING part in the action, which you can even see on that screenshot that was posted 2-3 pages ago. The moment ball was passed to Iniesta there should be end of action, and there should be called offside (offside position commited by Navas)..
Yes, Iniesta is not offside, but Navas is... Nevermind, that goal had little effect on the fate of Croatia
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
But Iniesta's shoulder was not in an offside position. In fact, all of Iniesta's body is behind the last defender except for his hand.
no
Since you are Croatian, you are likely to be biased. Under closer inspection, it is pretty clear.
ijust put this situation in right angle.. i'm angry because attack before this OFFSIDE it was a clear penalty kick on corluka
It's not like I would be sad with a tie, but after all this whinning you totally deserved it
i hope you'll be robbed in next game, just so you could see how does it feel.. you are from spain so don't know it yet
I'm sorry for croatia. The goal line referee should have seen the penalty, but i wouldn't say there is a bias towards spain. If it is a close call (as it was here), you earn much more hate as a referee if you call the penalty falsely than if you don't (furthermore as it was on the edge of the box, no real socring opportunity). Bad luck, i was impressed by croatia.
I still tink the passive offside from navas became offside.
It's not how it works, at least in La Liga. You can be offside as long as the pass is not direct to you, allowed to intervene after the first pass. Afaik this was changed a couple of years ago.
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
But Iniesta's shoulder was not in an offside position. In fact, all of Iniesta's body is behind the last defender except for his hand.
no
Since you are Croatian, you are likely to be biased. Under closer inspection, it is pretty clear.
ijust put this situation in right angle.. i'm angry because attack before this OFFSIDE it was a clear penalty kick on corluka
It's not like I would be sad with a tie, but after all this whinning you totally deserved it
i hope you'll be robbed in next game, just so you could see how does it feel.. you are from spain so don't know it yet
We've been robed by Italy in EEUU's world cup, and then by Korea in Korea's WC. Don't say we don't know what it feels.
well, i have to be fair and admit you were robbed against south korea.. i don't remember that game against italy but it was long time ago.. you were robbed last time 10 years ago.. we were robbed so many times i can't count anymore.. everytime if there is a close game shit happens
I dont think that is right to be blaming against Spain when we wanted Croatia to qualify with us, blame referee, not us.
And dont start with that discussion about who was robbed more times, please.
Now, sleep and we can talk tomorrow when u calm down.
I still tink the passive offside from navas became offside.
It's not how it works, at least in La Liga. You can be offside as long as the pass is not direct to you, allowed to intervene after the first pass. Afaik this was changed a couple of years ago.
I dont think so, I think that is offside if you attack too, doesnt matter if the pass is direct to you or not.
On June 19 2012 06:17 Narw wrote: The moment Iniesta got the ball he wasn't on offside position. Navas was on offside position and was TAKING part in the action, which you can even see on that screenshot that was posted 2-3 pages ago. The moment ball was passed to Iniesta there should be end of action, and there should be called offside (offside position commited by Navas)..
Yes, Iniesta is not offside, but Navas is... Nevermind, that goal had little effect on the fate of Croatia
In fact most people in Spain were praying Croatia to put the ball in the box at least once, so "something" could happen. Especially after all the thrash talk coming from Italy.
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
so many complaints by croatian players
silva complained after every foul against him but spain is spain, croatia is croatia
Seriously? I understand u are angry, but dont be blind.
silva complained few times, one time it was step too far, but not for stark.. strinic had yellow card after complainig, corluka had yellow after complaining after clear foul on mandzukic in first half.. after they were robbed two times in one minute (penalty on corluka and offside) of course they were complaining..
I still tink the passive offside from navas became offside.
It's not how it works, at least in La Liga. You can be offside as long as the pass is not direct to you, allowed to intervene after the first pass. Afaik this was changed a couple of years ago.
I dont think so, I think that is offside if you attack too, doesnt matter if the pass is direct to you or not.
So I think that was offside by Navas but dunno.
I've seen thousands of goals like that one, or even worse, when the pass goes to the person offside this guy let's the ball pass and then goes to the other side to recieve the goal pass. It's really common.
I still tink the passive offside from navas became offside.
It's not how it works, at least in La Liga. You can be offside as long as the pass is not direct to you, allowed to intervene after the first pass. Afaik this was changed a couple of years ago.
I dont think so, I think that is offside if you attack too, doesnt matter if the pass is direct to you or not.
So I think that was offside by Navas but dunno.
it wasn't because it is a new situation.. that rule was changed
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
so many complaints by croatian players
silva complained after every foul against him but spain is spain, croatia is croatia
Seriously? I understand u are angry, but dont be blind.
silva complained few times, one time it was step too far, but not for stark.. strinic had yellow card after complainig, corluka had yellow after complaining after clear foul on mandzukic in first half.. after they were robbed two times in one minute (penalty on corluka and offside) of course they were complaining..
So u are saying the yellow cards were right (the last ones), ok.
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
so many complaints by croatian players
silva complained after every foul against him but spain is spain, croatia is croatia
Seriously? I understand u are angry, but dont be blind.
silva complained few times, one time it was step too far, but not for stark.. strinic had yellow card after complainig, corluka had yellow after complaining after clear foul on mandzukic in first half.. after they were robbed two times in one minute (penalty on corluka and offside) of course they were complaining..
On June 19 2012 06:17 Narw wrote: The moment Iniesta got the ball he wasn't on offside position. Navas was on offside position and was TAKING part in the action, which you can even see on that screenshot that was posted 2-3 pages ago. The moment ball was passed to Iniesta there should be end of action, and there should be called offside (offside position commited by Navas)..
Yes, Iniesta is not offside, but Navas is... Nevermind, that goal had little effect on the fate of Croatia
Navas was not interfering with play. He only became involved in the play once Iniesta played the ball to him, at which point the fact the he was offside on the pass to Iniesta is void.
I am not a fan of Stark but it is well known that he does not like complaining at all. I don't think he was biased towards Spain, some decisions were just unfortunate.
That said Croatia impressed me a lot and I'm sad that the team does not advance to the next round.
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
so many complaints by croatian players
silva complained after every foul against him but spain is spain, croatia is croatia
Seriously? I understand u are angry, but dont be blind.
silva complained few times, one time it was step too far, but not for stark.. strinic had yellow card after complainig, corluka had yellow after complaining after clear foul on mandzukic in first half.. after they were robbed two times in one minute (penalty on corluka and offside) of course they were complaining..
So u are saying the yellow cards were right (the last ones), ok.
And dont forget about the slap to Pique.
no, corlukas yellow was not right because if stark did what he has to do there would be foul on mandzukic and ramos would get a yellow for that start.. but start didn't do it and after that he punished our player for his mistake.. other cards are deserved
if you are talking about slap in our box it would be harsh to call it because mandzukic had no intention to slap him and pique was far away from the ball. if you are talking about that situation
Navas is taking the run the same time as Iniesta, but when the ball was struck, he clearly showed that he wasn't going for it, so his offside is effectively gone as he leaves the situation as Iniesta (who didn't seem to be offside) gets the ball instead. New situation: Iniesta has the ball and wants to pass to Navas, who is not offside in this new situation. Navas gets the ball and is not offside, after which he scores the winner.
If one would to argue for Croatia, taking a closer look at the two penalty situations would be smarter imo. Mandzukic gets stopped by Ramos. Ramos hits the ball, but the tackle is very dangerous. Imagine Ramos getting there a split-second later. Mandzukic risks getting seriously injured. The situation could go either way, but imo it's a penalty. Regardless if it's a penalty or not, I think Ramos should have gotten booked or severely warned not to go into a situation like that again.
Second penalty situation. Corner for Croatia. Corluka goes up and wins the header, which goes out. The replay shows him getting pulled down hard by the Spanish defender. Very clear penalty, imo, but it looked like a very hard situation for the ref.
One could also argue that Spain could have gotten a penalty their way, when Pique got an arm in the face. Pique dives for it, imo, but I wouldn't be up in arms if a penalty was given.
Sad that Croatia is out. They showed good play and a will to win against the top dogs. Better luck next time.
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
so many complaints by croatian players
silva complained after every foul against him but spain is spain, croatia is croatia
Seriously? I understand u are angry, but dont be blind.
silva complained few times, one time it was step too far, but not for stark.. strinic had yellow card after complainig, corluka had yellow after complaining after clear foul on mandzukic in first half.. after they were robbed two times in one minute (penalty on corluka and offside) of course they were complaining..
So u are saying the yellow cards were right (the last ones), ok.
And dont forget about the slap to Pique.
no, corlukas yellow was not right because if stark did what he has to do there would be foul on mandzukic and ramos would get a yellow for that start.. but start didn't do it and after that he punished our player for his mistake.. other cards are deserved
if you are talking about slap in our box it would be harsh to call it because mandzukic had no intention to slap him and pique was far away from the ball. if you are talking about that situation
Slap is a slap, even unintentionally. It's like ball hitting your hand when there's a shot. That excuse ended way long ago.
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
so many complaints by croatian players
silva complained after every foul against him but spain is spain, croatia is croatia
Seriously? I understand u are angry, but dont be blind.
silva complained few times, one time it was step too far, but not for stark.. strinic had yellow card after complainig, corluka had yellow after complaining after clear foul on mandzukic in first half.. after they were robbed two times in one minute (penalty on corluka and offside) of course they were complaining..
So u are saying the yellow cards were right (the last ones), ok.
And dont forget about the slap to Pique.
no, corlukas yellow was not right because if stark did what he has to do there would be foul on mandzukic and ramos would get a yellow for that start.. but start didn't do it and after that he punished our player for his mistake.. other cards are deserved
if you are talking about slap in our box it would be harsh to call it because mandzukic had no intention to slap him and pique was far away from the ball. if you are talking about that situation
Im not talking about Corlukas yellow, so forget about that one, im talking about the last ones, if u say other cards were deserved we dont have to discuss about that.
About the slap to Pique, that was pen, that doesnt matter if he didnt have intention to slap Pique or he was far from ball, pen is pen.
On June 19 2012 06:39 NuclearJudas wrote: Navas is taking the run the same time as Iniesta, but when the ball was struck, he clearly showed that he wasn't going for it, so his offside is effectively gone as he leaves the situation as Iniesta (who didn't seem to be offside) gets the ball instead. New situation: Iniesta has the ball and wants to pass to Navas, who is not offside in this new situation. Navas gets the ball and is not offside, after which he scores the winner.
If one would to argue for Croatia, taking a closer look at the two penalty situations would be smarter imo. Mandzukic gets stopped by Ramos. Ramos hits the ball, but the tackle is very dangerous. Imagine Ramos getting there a split-second later. Mandzukic risks getting seriously injured. The situation could go either way, but imo it's a penalty. Regardless if it's a penalty or not, I think Ramos should have gotten booked or severely warned not to go into a situation like that again.
Second penalty situation. Corner for Croatia. Corluka goes up and wins the header, which goes out. The replay shows him getting pulled down hard by the Spanish defender. Very clear penalty, imo, but it looked like a very hard situation for the ref.
One could also argue that Spain could have gotten a penalty their way, when Pique got an arm in the face. Pique dies for it, imo, but I wouldn't be up in arms if a penalty was given.
Sad that Croatia is out. They showed good play and a will to win against the top dogs. Better luck next time.
IMO the tackle on Mandzukic was dangerous but not penalty. At most indirect kick (same punishment as when your feet almost hits other's head).
I still tink the passive offside from navas became offside.
It's not how it works, at least in La Liga. You can be offside as long as the pass is not direct to you, allowed to intervene after the first pass. Afaik this was changed a couple of years ago.
Yeah there might have been a change, i don't know. I just got some scenes in my head from older matches where this would have been offside as soon as Navas gets passed the ball (passive becomes active offside). There's still too many "if"s to Croatia really being able to complain... I just think it's a pity, that modrics genius pass wasn't rewarded with an assist. Best action of the game.
Was not impressed by Spain, but i'm very sure they will step up their game. I doubt Germany can beat you, if we meet. Iniesta is an absolute beast! Curse your golden generation!
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
so many complaints by croatian players
silva complained after every foul against him but spain is spain, croatia is croatia
Seriously? I understand u are angry, but dont be blind.
silva complained few times, one time it was step too far, but not for stark.. strinic had yellow card after complainig, corluka had yellow after complaining after clear foul on mandzukic in first half.. after they were robbed two times in one minute (penalty on corluka and offside) of course they were complaining..
So u are saying the yellow cards were right (the last ones), ok.
And dont forget about the slap to Pique.
no, corlukas yellow was not right because if stark did what he has to do there would be foul on mandzukic and ramos would get a yellow for that start.. but start didn't do it and after that he punished our player for his mistake.. other cards are deserved
if you are talking about slap in our box it would be harsh to call it because mandzukic had no intention to slap him and pique was far away from the ball. if you are talking about that situation
Slap is a slap, even unintentionally. It's like ball hitting your hand when there's a shot. That excuse ended way long ago.
it would be too harsh to call it in that situation because it was dangerous play, there was no intention and it was in a box
On June 19 2012 05:57 Retric wrote: another question: croatia fouled 21 times, spain 16 times, but croatia got 6 yellow cards and spain 0, how come? sorry just watched last 10 mins.
so many complaints by croatian players
silva complained after every foul against him but spain is spain, croatia is croatia
Seriously? I understand u are angry, but dont be blind.
silva complained few times, one time it was step too far, but not for stark.. strinic had yellow card after complainig, corluka had yellow after complaining after clear foul on mandzukic in first half.. after they were robbed two times in one minute (penalty on corluka and offside) of course they were complaining..
So u are saying the yellow cards were right (the last ones), ok.
And dont forget about the slap to Pique.
no, corlukas yellow was not right because if stark did what he has to do there would be foul on mandzukic and ramos would get a yellow for that start.. but start didn't do it and after that he punished our player for his mistake.. other cards are deserved
if you are talking about slap in our box it would be harsh to call it because mandzukic had no intention to slap him and pique was far away from the ball. if you are talking about that situation
Slap is a slap, even unintentionally. It's like ball hitting your hand when there's a shot. That excuse ended way long ago.
it would be too harsh to call it in that situation because it was dangerous play, there was no intention and it was in a box
On June 19 2012 06:39 NuclearJudas wrote: Navas is taking the run the same time as Iniesta, but when the ball was struck, he clearly showed that he wasn't going for it, so his offside is effectively gone as he leaves the situation as Iniesta (who didn't seem to be offside) gets the ball instead. New situation: Iniesta has the ball and wants to pass to Navas, who is not offside in this new situation. Navas gets the ball and is not offside, after which he scores the winner.
If one would to argue for Croatia, taking a closer look at the two penalty situations would be smarter imo. Mandzukic gets stopped by Ramos. Ramos hits the ball, but the tackle is very dangerous. Imagine Ramos getting there a split-second later. Mandzukic risks getting seriously injured. The situation could go either way, but imo it's a penalty. Regardless if it's a penalty or not, I think Ramos should have gotten booked or severely warned not to go into a situation like that again.
Second penalty situation. Corner for Croatia. Corluka goes up and wins the header, which goes out. The replay shows him getting pulled down hard by the Spanish defender. Very clear penalty, imo, but it looked like a very hard situation for the ref.
One could also argue that Spain could have gotten a penalty their way, when Pique got an arm in the face. Pique dies for it, imo, but I wouldn't be up in arms if a penalty was given.
Sad that Croatia is out. They showed good play and a will to win against the top dogs. Better luck next time.
IMO the tackle on Mandzukic was dangerous but not penalty. At most indirect kick (same punishment as when your feet almost hits other's head).
On June 19 2012 06:56 Vernom wrote: funny thing is Pique did the same thing against Paraguay on World Cup, but the referee whistled and Casillas stopped the pen
dunno what the fuck is wrong with Pique and Busquets
It's because Pique and Busquets play for Barcelona.
On June 19 2012 06:56 Vernom wrote: funny thing is Pique did the same thing against Paraguay on World Cup, but the referee whistled and Casillas stopped the pen
dunno what the fuck is wrong with Pique and Busquets
It's because Pique and Busquets play for Barcelona.
Mourinho found xD
You might think that the common thing is to forget about teams when it comes to national team's championships, but again, Spain is different.
On June 19 2012 06:39 NuclearJudas wrote: Navas is taking the run the same time as Iniesta, but when the ball was struck, he clearly showed that he wasn't going for it, so his offside is effectively gone as he leaves the situation as Iniesta (who didn't seem to be offside) gets the ball instead. New situation: Iniesta has the ball and wants to pass to Navas, who is not offside in this new situation. Navas gets the ball and is not offside, after which he scores the winner.
Please, don't create new football rules. The moment ball is about to get passed they both take part in that action. That moment Iniesta is not on offside, Navas is. There is end of this action as there should be called obvious offside by Navas. There wasnt called offside couse referee made a mistake.
Navas is taking part in the action as he is clearly absorbing defenders attention. He is not comming back from offside position, he is running towards goalkeeper and he is a valid target for a pass.
Again, do not create new football rules just couse you so want to defend incorrect decision couse it benefits team you do support.
I didn't saw that match, i coudl't care less for either Croatia or Spain, but rules are rules and this was offside.
On June 19 2012 06:39 NuclearJudas wrote: Navas is taking the run the same time as Iniesta, but when the ball was struck, he clearly showed that he wasn't going for it, so his offside is effectively gone as he leaves the situation as Iniesta (who didn't seem to be offside) gets the ball instead. New situation: Iniesta has the ball and wants to pass to Navas, who is not offside in this new situation. Navas gets the ball and is not offside, after which he scores the winner.
Please, don't create new football rules. The moment ball is about to get passed they both take part in that action. That moment Iniesta is not on offside, Navas is. There is end of this action as there should be called obvious offside by Navas. There wasnt called offside couse referee made a mistake.
Navas is taking part in the action as he is clearly absorbing defenders attention. He is not comming back from offside position, he is running towards goalkeeper and he is a valid target for a pass.
Again, do not create new football rules just couse you so want to defend incorrect decision couse it benefits team you do support.
I didn't saw that match, i coudl't care less for either Croatia or Spain, but rules are rules and this was offside.
IMHO he is actually right. No contact, no running in the direction of the ball nothing. In portugal people are very anal about offsides and not a single commentator talked about navas. Some argued that maybe iniesta was off but there was zero talk about navas and when there is nobody (here) crying about it, chances are there is no chance in hell there is offside lol.
To me the only doubt should be about Iniesta and not Navas. If Iniesta was on, then the goal has no problem.
This was a really boring game. I expected much more from this two teams but I get the "respect" for the opponent was too big to produce a better game. I believe Spain is good enough to push harder and produce a better game and that Croatia, as soon as Italy scored, should have switch into attacking mode since there was no point in hoping that Ireland would turn the result around after Italy's first goal.
Actually the rule is that you are penaltilized for being in an offside position if you take part in active play(which means you literally touch the ball, always), obstruct the opponent or gain an advantage from being offside.
If Navas was just onside or barely offside, he gained no advantage from that. The Croats tried an offside trap but failed since Iniesta was onside. Passive offside for Navas is allowed. And he was onside when he took part in the play.
There is some grey area and contradiction in the passive and active offence rules. But this one was not an example. The goal vs Ireland was.
On June 19 2012 06:39 NuclearJudas wrote: Navas is taking the run the same time as Iniesta, but when the ball was struck, he clearly showed that he wasn't going for it, so his offside is effectively gone as he leaves the situation as Iniesta (who didn't seem to be offside) gets the ball instead. New situation: Iniesta has the ball and wants to pass to Navas, who is not offside in this new situation. Navas gets the ball and is not offside, after which he scores the winner.
Please, don't create new football rules. The moment ball is about to get passed they both take part in that action. That moment Iniesta is not on offside, Navas is. There is end of this action as there should be called obvious offside by Navas. There wasnt called offside couse referee made a mistake.
Navas is taking part in the action as he is clearly absorbing defenders attention. He is not comming back from offside position, he is running towards goalkeeper and he is a valid target for a pass.
Again, do not create new football rules just couse you so want to defend incorrect decision couse it benefits team you do support.
I didn't saw that match, i coudl't care less for either Croatia or Spain, but rules are rules and this was offside.
Everybody is telling you, you are completely wrong.
Even if Navas was on the goal line if later he goes back and recieves the pass from Iniesta, is NOT offside. At least in Europe.
On June 19 2012 07:48 alderamin wrote: Actually the rule is that you are penaltilized for being in an offside position if you take part in active play(which means you literally touch the ball, always), obstruct the opponent or gain an advantage from being offside.
If Navas was just onside or barely offside, he gained no advantage from that. The Croats tried an offside trap but failed since Iniesta was onside. Passive offside for Navas is allowed. And he was onside when he took part in the play.
There is some grey area and contradiction in the passive and active offence rules. But this one was not an example. The goal vs Ireland was.
Exactly my point. Here we call it positional instead of passive offside but the point is the same and that was what I was trying to tell. Navas did not touch the ball or ran in the ball's direction when the pass for Iniesta was made. Proof of that is that it was a pass "to Iniesta" there was no doubt about it. The positional off side is allowed and because of that the goal is valid if you rule that Iniesta was on side. It is not making up rules. The positional off side (or passive and active off sides) rules/guide lines are not exactly new.
There were some bad calls from the judge, but in conclusion Spain was simply better and anything other than a loss would be a small miracle. The people in Croatia are happy with the players, they did their best, and we went down with a fight.
actually, i'm not happy with our players. i feel the game could have been won. especially if Rakitić managed to score, but instead he was as useful as bag of rocks having their periods synchronized. Spain was better most of the game, but we had some really good chances. Too bad about some ref calls. Btw, was Iniesta onside or offside when receiving the ball?
Too much arguing about unimportant stuff. Offside was not important as Croatia needed to score to advance anyways. 0-0 score would still keep Croatia as 3rd in group.
Croatia missed its chances to advance in game against Italy and also when Spain didn't defeat Italy in first game (where they had more chances to score then Italy). Also we spent our luck for vs Ireland game (2 of our goals were lucky).
Croatia loses but both Modrić and Mandžukić win as after their performances they are sure to get good offers. They both looked good enough to play on Spanish team.
Also it was funny when 4 players would advance on Iniesta and he would keep the ball and bring it out with him :D
Also we managed to force Spanish players return the ball to their goalkeeper a couple of times so we consider ourselves winners for that alone :D
On June 19 2012 09:15 -Archangel- wrote: Also we managed to force Spanish players return the ball to their goalkeeper a couple of times so we consider ourselves winners for that alone :D
That's very common if you follow Spain, it's something stylistic. Before losing the ball, give it to the goalkeeper so we can start again.
But overall you did a very good job. I was surprised you didn't attack more at the end though, we were willing to concede the tie but you refused to take it
On June 19 2012 06:39 NuclearJudas wrote: Navas is taking the run the same time as Iniesta, but when the ball was struck, he clearly showed that he wasn't going for it, so his offside is effectively gone as he leaves the situation as Iniesta (who didn't seem to be offside) gets the ball instead. New situation: Iniesta has the ball and wants to pass to Navas, who is not offside in this new situation. Navas gets the ball and is not offside, after which he scores the winner.
Please, don't create new football rules. The moment ball is about to get passed they both take part in that action. That moment Iniesta is not on offside, Navas is. There is end of this action as there should be called obvious offside by Navas. There wasnt called offside couse referee made a mistake.
Navas is taking part in the action as he is clearly absorbing defenders attention. He is not comming back from offside position, he is running towards goalkeeper and he is a valid target for a pass.
Again, do not create new football rules just couse you so want to defend incorrect decision couse it benefits team you do support.
I didn't saw that match, i coudl't care less for either Croatia or Spain, but rules are rules and this was offside.
no one is "creating" rules to defend their team. you're misinterpreting what you don't understand
Iniesta was onside. But he controlled the ball with his shoulder. That was very questionable. Also, Spain should have had a red card after that foul in the penalty box. Then that goal and the red card would have completely changed the game.
Don't think Croatia could have done anytbing more vs Span. That header of Rakitic should have been in but that's bad luck I guess.
On June 19 2012 06:39 NuclearJudas wrote: Navas is taking the run the same time as Iniesta, but when the ball was struck, he clearly showed that he wasn't going for it, so his offside is effectively gone as he leaves the situation as Iniesta (who didn't seem to be offside) gets the ball instead. New situation: Iniesta has the ball and wants to pass to Navas, who is not offside in this new situation. Navas gets the ball and is not offside, after which he scores the winner.
Please, don't create new football rules. The moment ball is about to get passed they both take part in that action. That moment Iniesta is not on offside, Navas is. There is end of this action as there should be called obvious offside by Navas. There wasnt called offside couse referee made a mistake.
Navas is taking part in the action as he is clearly absorbing defenders attention. He is not comming back from offside position, he is running towards goalkeeper and he is a valid target for a pass.
Again, do not create new football rules just couse you so want to defend incorrect decision couse it benefits team you do support.
I didn't saw that match, i coudl't care less for either Croatia or Spain, but rules are rules and this was offside.
no one is "creating" rules to defend their team. you're misinterpreting what you don't understand
Was Navas taking part in that action? Check. Was Navas on offside when pass happened? Check. Was there offside? Check.
Dude you were already told you interpret the rule wrong. What more can be said? Being part of active play when offside means you are penaltilised. He wasn't. He didn't interfere or take part in the play because he didn't touch the ball. Only later in a new situation when Iniesta passed him the ball Navas was offside. Then the question is if he had an advantage from being in an offside position when he was passively offside. I would argue he wasn't. The refs apparently judged that even the goal of Croatia vs Ireland was not an advantage being offside. I would say that could be an example where a player is passively offside with an advantage.
I really wish FIFA would come down hard retrospectively on all of this shirt-pulling on clear-cut chances that's going unpunished. I'd genuinely rather England lost than win with underhand tactics. Busquets and Badstuber should be ashamed of themselves.
On June 19 2012 05:48 pallad wrote: For all Spain haters. There was NO OFFSIDE , now you seen this ? , thank you.
thank you, his shoulder is in front of everyone, he is in offside, now my hate is stronger
Another one dont know the rules ...legs counts.. not rest of the body.
everything counts that can be legally used to score a goal. if iniesta is allowed to accept the ball with the exact shoulder which was offside then it is offside.
But Iniesta's shoulder was not in an offside position. In fact, all of Iniesta's body is behind the last defender except for his hand.
no
Since you are Croatian, you are likely to be biased. Under closer inspection, it is pretty clear.
The only parts pf the body that count are the ones which can hit the ball, so the foot of the Croatian player is clearly behind Iniesta's shoulder...
If the assistent ref is in doubt, it's not offside. This one was so close he can never see that this was offside evne if he was offside by an inch. Assitent ref both has to see when the ball is passed and where the last defender is at the same time. He physically can't do that.
He could never have rules "Hey his hand is beyond the last line, if's offside". This just generously on one line. Even if he was closer to really be offside, it's still on one line unless he is clearly ahead.
I was very impressed by Croatia, and Modric is impressive. I hope they have an easier group and better luck next time so I can watch more of their matches. Being in a group with Spain and Italy and putting such good matches is big.
Sad thing about Football. They accept mistakes by judges and so ofc cheating too. I dont say spain cheated, cause they simple dont have the money to bribe the referees . But thats how it is, cauld easy stand 1:0 for Cro too I would say. But in the end it was a damn good football game and just this matters. So well my two favorite Teams in same group. My country out so GoGo Spain!
Lets Hope Torres gets his killer instinct back.
Thx@Keioh but we all know, as long germany qualifies for tournements their will just be easy groups for germans and they will call it then again ofc the group of death. Even if they would play in a group with Luxenburg, Austria and USA ^^
I was very impressed by Croatia. I think they should have at least earned a draw, they really tightened up the middle and made Spains passing machinery get stuck there, very flexible. Also, they showed that Spain is vulnerable to nice counter-attacks sometimes, that run by Modric was really great, too bad that Raktitic isn't too much of a goalscorer. On the other hand, Croatia got lucky that Mandzukics hand in Piques face wasn't called, Mandzukic really got to stop throwing his elbows/arms in other peoples face, sadly he's known for that. On the other hand, that Sergio Ramos tackle was a very dark yellow and a penalty in my eyes. I don't get how that was not called.
On June 19 2012 17:21 tadL wrote: Thx@Keioh but we all know, as long germany qualifies for tournements their will just be easy groups for germans and they will call it then again ofc the group of death. Even if they would play in a group with Luxenburg, Austria and USA ^^
What's your problem here now? Random Germany bashing? Sure you would have volunteered to have The Netherlands, Portugal and Denmark in your group or what?
On June 19 2012 18:43 DaCruise wrote: Croatia played well in all matches and its a shame that they are out but thats just how the EC is with 3 groups of death. Good teams get knocked out.
Its prolly easier to get out of the groups in the WC than the EC.
Prolly? It sure is, even a crappy team like ours can make it out of the groups there .
Spain was kind of terrible against Croatia and they have the referees to thank for getting through. That was probably the clearest penalty in this tournament so far.
Don't see them getting far with performances like that, and even Greece was more inspiring than last night.
e. That was not an offside goal, in this tournament we've had way too many wrong offside calls and that was not one. Navas being offside when the pass came to Iniesta didn't matter at all, he had 0% influence on that situation. Croatian defence was trying to offside-trap Iniesta and failed, end of story.
I really hope Spain would start using a striker in their formation. A proper one like Llorente.
Nononono. The moment you refer to is the simplest offside case. Why you even bring it up? People know what offside is. That example was to show when you interfere with a play aka when you touch the ball. Navas didn't get the ball. Iniesta did and he was onside. He controlled the ball with his arm, but that's another debate.
Did you watch both parts completely? If so I don't know what to say.
Navas was offside (passive offside) when the ball was passed to Iniesta. There would be no offside if Iniesta had scored the goal and Navas hadn't touched it. But Navas scored (so his passive offside became active offside) and thus the goal shouldn't count as explained in your video.
EDIT: Actually, I think I get it now. But I'm pretty sure that this rule was changed a couple of years ago and my logic would have applied before the change.
That's not how the rule works. He was onside when Iniesta pased the ball and not part of play when he was offside.
You really want to say that once you are offside once you are for the entire game? The only way he could have been offside is if you rule he should be penalized for when Iniesta got the ball. You can claim he got an advantage being offside at that point because he ends up scoring. But wheneteher he was onside or offside wouldn't have made a difference so where is the advantage?. The defenders tried an offside trap and failed. That pass on Iniesta is where the goal was won and Iniesta was onside.
Gaining an advantage means the ball deflects from the post or from an opponent. You can try to stretch it as far as the Croatia vs Ireland goal but refs don't even do that.
There has been some debate about if this rule is a good rule. You can have several players be offside and use them as a distraction and pass the ball to soneone who is barely onside. This is why with free kicks there is otften someone offside on purpose. There is a grey area where passive offside should be penalized and FIFA has said they are looking into simplifying the rule and doing away with passive and active offside. But the rule as it is is at it is. So don't know how one can claim it was offside.
On June 19 2012 10:10 alderamin wrote: Dude you were already told you interpret the rule wrong. What more can be said? Being part of active play when offside means you are penaltilised. He wasn't. He didn't interfere or take part in the play because he didn't touch the ball. Only later in a new situation when Iniesta passed him the ball Navas was offside. Then the question is if he had an advantage from being in an offside position when he was passively offside. I would argue he wasn't. The refs apparently judged that even the goal of Croatia vs Ireland was not an advantage being offside. I would say that could be an example where a player is passively offside with an advantage.
By that video, he was in the offside, because he was part of the active play via having an advantage by being in that position (very close to the other player so the ball could have been passed to him to avoid the goalkeeper and score a goal).
CROATIA NEVER LOSES CAUSE IT'S OUR FAULT IT'S ALWAYS REFEREES/"DEATH GROUPS"/BAD TEAM MANAGEMENT ETC. CROATIA FOREVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
But seriously, I don't think anyone expected anything different, unless they're a deluded fanboy. Quality Croatian football died back in like 1998, lol. Not to mention our quality national football league with teams (including the two "strongest" ones, NK Dinamo and NK Hajduk) which would probably lose to a paraolympic team with 2 red cards.
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