Bit harsh no? I would love someone to show me a squad with a better back 4 than then English one, specially squad and depth. Best LB in competition is Ashley Cole, Baines got in ahead of him in all prem teams of the year this season. CBs are Cahill Terry Lescott Jagielka. Cahill Terry won the champions league and FA Cup, contained Barecelona twice and Bayern at home, not bad. Lescott was dominant with Kompany all season keeping the likes of Toure on the bench. Jagielka has been the best defender in Everton's side for many a year and deserves his call up too. RBs are our weakest spot but we still have a solid RB in Johnson who is very very good going forward who can score and has pace to help himself out at the back. Jones to cover RB CB and CM as he is versitle and can chip in with goals with his runs pace and good heading ability from set peices. You organise that Defense properly and we will be hard to beat fact.
You want to know the saddest thing? After making norway look like spain two of the commentators and the presenter were happy with the performance. Only roy keane called them out and asked why england couldn't string passes together, the other idiots were happy that out sixty minute rear guard action had scraped a win from a team that didn't even qualify.
On May 29 2012 23:20 femputer wrote: You want to know the saddest thing? After making norway look like spain two of the commentators and the presenter were happy with the performance. Only roy keane called them out and asked why england couldn't string passes together, the other idiots were happy that out sixty minute rear guard action had scraped a win from a team that didn't even qualify.
1 it was not Englands first 11 2 England team chosen have never played football properly through out there careers, only Arsenal have truely stuck to heels on pass pass pass barcelona style in premiership, and well they have 2 english players representing the country. 3 Hodgson's first game after 3 training sessions? He works from the back forward 4 A win is a win. Im sure if you won the game and it was the other way round you would being saying Norway beat England all that matters.
Also if you look back to Capello era and watch us play Montengro of all teams, they did the same had like 60% possesion at there own ground lol, but we drew that game 2-2 with 10men so not to bad.
On May 29 2012 21:29 Pandemona wrote: Lol, its funny femputer xD England taking it over the top that one group of hooligans in Ukraine said if any blacks come over we will fight them as "any black in the country will die".
Meanwhile Sol Campbell has advised that fans don't travel to the tournament, especially if they are black, because of the racism endemic in football there. Ukraine has responded saying that there is no problem and Campbell is insolent for suggesting there is one.
I can honestly see someone coming home in a pine box. UEFA is as bad as FIFA at assigning competition venues - only give it to countries where the safety of the fans can be guaranteed.
On May 29 2012 21:29 Pandemona wrote: Lol, its funny femputer xD England taking it over the top that one group of hooligans in Ukraine said if any blacks come over we will fight them as "any black in the country will die".
Meanwhile Sol Campbell has advised that fans don't travel to the tournament, especially if they are black, because of the racism endemic in football there. Ukraine has responded saying that there is no problem and Campbell is insolent for suggesting there is one.
I can honestly see someone coming home in a pine box. UEFA is as bad as FIFA at assigning competition venues - only give it to countries where the safety of the fans can be guaranteed.
well, you can't say safety isn't guaranteed just because of some comments by idiots, you can be certain there will be shit load of security around the venues, it is after all eastern european country which western world believes still lacks touches of democracy ergo it must have lot of personnel to prevent insurrections
On May 29 2012 17:47 Pandemona wrote: Chelsea players re join the England squad this week after there 1 week break to refresh themselves for the tournament. I hope Hodgson just makes us hard to beat, the only way we will ever win a major tournament is by defending well and scoring the odd goal on the break, or score early on and keep the lead for the remainder of the game. Greece/Chelsea Champions league style is what they need and hope he does it, which i think he will to be honest.
Oh I'm guessing inside the venues there will be enough police to make sure things don't kick off too badly. Which will do nothing to control things thrown on the pitch, at players, racist chanting etc...
No, I'm expecting fan violence in the streets. The police can't be everywhere, and to be honest if the stadiums are showing fans giving the nazi salute and using monkey chants against black players then I'm not sure the police are that concerned about racism as long as they don't riot. Not the mentality I would want to have surrounding me, especially if I was black or Jewish, apparently.
But then, UEFA and FIFA never seem that concerned about these things either. Having an anti-racism campaign is all well and good but what message does it send if you give prestigious tournaments to countries that have endemic racism problems in football, or are legally homophobic as in the case of Qatar?
I think that if the situation in Ukraine was that bad they wouldn't have applied for the EURO's. If there is going to be violence it's going to happen a long way from the stadiums or tourist centers.
On May 30 2012 03:57 Sanctimonius wrote: Oh I'm guessing inside the venues there will be enough police to make sure things don't kick off too badly. Which will do nothing to control things thrown on the pitch, at players, racist chanting etc...
No, I'm expecting fan violence in the streets. The police can't be everywhere, and to be honest if the stadiums are showing fans giving the nazi salute and using monkey chants against black players then I'm not sure the police are that concerned about racism as long as they don't riot. Not the mentality I would want to have surrounding me, especially if I was black or Jewish, apparently.
But then, UEFA and FIFA never seem that concerned about these things either. Having an anti-racism campaign is all well and good but what message does it send if you give prestigious tournaments to countries that have endemic racism problems in football, or are legally homophobic as in the case of Qatar?
You make "racism" sound like the main issue here, but the more important question is, what are black players doing in an European tournament in the first place? Not to mention how offensive it is to portray us Eastern European football fans as some kind of brainless bloodthirsty mob. Yes it's a part of football here as much as it is everywhere. We also have a long history and strong team traditions and results as do any other country out there.
I remember everyone was so worried how unsafe South Africa was and people advised against travelling there, and that the massive crime statistics will be more remembered after the games than the matches themselves... and in the end, everything went fine. The most memorable thing about the 2010 World Cup: Vuvuzelas, and not atrocities against the fans.
On May 29 2012 17:47 Pandemona wrote: Chelsea players re join the England squad this week after there 1 week break to refresh themselves for the tournament. I hope Hodgson just makes us hard to beat, the only way we will ever win a major tournament is by defending well and scoring the odd goal on the break, or score early on and keep the lead for the remainder of the game. Greece/Chelsea Champions league style is what they need and hope he does it, which i think he will to be honest.
On May 30 2012 03:57 Sanctimonius wrote: Oh I'm guessing inside the venues there will be enough police to make sure things don't kick off too badly. Which will do nothing to control things thrown on the pitch, at players, racist chanting etc...
No, I'm expecting fan violence in the streets. The police can't be everywhere, and to be honest if the stadiums are showing fans giving the nazi salute and using monkey chants against black players then I'm not sure the police are that concerned about racism as long as they don't riot. Not the mentality I would want to have surrounding me, especially if I was black or Jewish, apparently.
But then, UEFA and FIFA never seem that concerned about these things either. Having an anti-racism campaign is all well and good but what message does it send if you give prestigious tournaments to countries that have endemic racism problems in football, or are legally homophobic as in the case of Qatar?
You make "racism" sound like the main issue here, but the more important question is, what are black players doing in an European tournament in the first place? Not to mention how offensive it is to portray us Eastern European football fans as some kind of brainless bloodthirsty mob. Yes it's a part of football here as much as it is everywhere. We also have a long history and strong team traditions and results as do any other country out there.
Wait, seriously? Are you arguing that black players, simply by sheer dint of being black, shouldn't be playing in a European tournament, regardless of where they were born or what nationality they are? Do... do you realise how that sounds? Regardless of your strong 'traditions' you cannot attack a person because of the colour of their skin.
As a huge football fan and a citizen of the U.S I will be throwing my support behind the old country. Hopefully Hodgson really makes a difference on the team.
Also kinda hoping the Greeks get knocked out in the group stages. It's not that I don't like them per se it's just that they play some of the most boring football imaginable.
1 it was not Englands first 11 2 England team chosen have never played football properly through out there careers, only Arsenal have truely stuck to heels on pass pass pass barcelona style in premiership, and well they have 2 english players representing the country. 3 Hodgson's first game after 3 training sessions? He works from the back forward 4 A win is a win. Im sure if you won the game and it was the other way round you would being saying Norway beat England all that matters.
Also if you look back to Capello era and watch us play Montengro of all teams, they did the same had like 60% possesion at there own ground lol, but we drew that game 2-2 with 10men so not to bad.
Heh maybe I get a bit to gloomy when england underperform (to my mind anyway). Point three though I wanted to say, I don't think whatever happens we can really blame the manager, we've had too many with so much success get rubbished and dragged through the mud after a bad tournament. Can't really blame the players either really they are just the result of a process they are put through from god knows how young. Very easy to get dispondent~~~
On May 30 2012 04:06 Muki wrote: You make "racism" sound like the main issue here, but the more important question is, what are black players doing in an European tournament in the first place?
Do you understand what you have written right there? Putting "racism" in quotation marks even...
1 it was not Englands first 11 2 England team chosen have never played football properly through out there careers, only Arsenal have truely stuck to heels on pass pass pass barcelona style in premiership, and well they have 2 english players representing the country. 3 Hodgson's first game after 3 training sessions? He works from the back forward 4 A win is a win. Im sure if you won the game and it was the other way round you would being saying Norway beat England all that matters.
Also if you look back to Capello era and watch us play Montengro of all teams, they did the same had like 60% possesion at there own ground lol, but we drew that game 2-2 with 10men so not to bad.
Heh maybe I get a bit to gloomy when england underperform (to my mind anyway). Point three though I wanted to say, I don't think whatever happens we can really blame the manager, we've had too many with so much success get rubbished and dragged through the mud after a bad tournament. Can't really blame the players either really they are just the result of a process they are put through from god knows how young. Very easy to get dispondent~~~
While the EPL is the most promising national league in Europe (see it in front of La Liga), hardly any English player is shining there. The teams are filled with foreigners. What England badly needs is a better youth work and coaches who give younger players (local talents) a chance to prove themselves in the first league. Germany once had a similar thinking as England but since the last ten years youth work in Germany has changed dramatically. Local talents getting supported by most of the clubs no-holds-barred and the result you can see now, especially when you look at the German national side. I wish England the best and hopefully we meet once again when England has sorted out their problems and can be called a serious contender again. Just my two cents, sorry for any grammar or spelling mistakes.
something that doesn't involve two central midfielders that cannot defend and have never played well together, and something that doesn't involve two wingers whose only attributes are pace and diving respectively
Buahaha. I`m really shocked with this racism and "unsafety" thing.
First of all, most of "real supporters" (dedicated 100% into the clubs) are not interested in Euro in any way. Poland is known (actually as i see it is not) for beeing one of the most kind for out guest.
Of course, like everywhere in the world - serious shit can happen in random circumstances.
As for now, there have never been any riots in Poland like for example in London last year. And still i guess noone is expecting Olympics to be unsafe (I`m coming for almost whole event btw)
So really - get real, i doubt that even one!!! black man was murdered in Poland this year...
On May 30 2012 04:24 RJGooner wrote: As a huge football fan and a citizen of the U.S I will be throwing my support behind the old country. Hopefully Hodgson really makes a difference on the team.
you know that there are twice as many german americans than english americans, right? there are even more americans of irish descent than of english descent.
On May 29 2012 23:19 Pandemona wrote: Bit harsh no? I would love someone to show me a squad with a better back 4 than then English one, specially squad and depth. Best LB in competition is Ashley Cole, Baines got in ahead of him in all prem teams of the year this season. CBs are Cahill Terry Lescott Jagielka. Cahill Terry won the champions league and FA Cup, contained Barecelona twice and Bayern at home, not bad. Lescott was dominant with Kompany all season keeping the likes of Toure on the bench. Jagielka has been the best defender in Everton's side for many a year and deserves his call up too. RBs are our weakest spot but we still have a solid RB in Johnson who is very very good going forward who can score and has pace to help himself out at the back. Jones to cover RB CB and CM as he is versitle and can chip in with goals with his runs pace and good heading ability from set peices. You organise that Defense properly and we will be hard to beat fact.
They will be hard to beat, but I don't think that wll be enough. Its incredible that the country with one of the two best leagues in the world is lagging so far behind when it comes to the national team.
If England wins their group they have a solid chance of getting "easy" opposition in their ro8, but I have a hard time seeing them getting that far without taking a tumble, and that will most likely pair them with Spain in the ro8. If they dodge that bullet they will probably face Germany/Holland/Portugal in the semis, and I just can't see them beat any of those teams, but hey, maybe Roys defensive style is just what is needed. Good luck!
Oh god Im so excited, football is so frickin awesome!
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