EPTWCS, MLG, DH, IEM, NASL, IPL, etc.. all have online qualifiers, did those players cheat? I guess you never know!
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
WCS, MLG, DH, IEM, NASL, IPL, etc.. all have online qualifiers, did those players cheat? I guess you never know! | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
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Di3s3l
97 Posts
I wish I knew the Day9 episode where he sits right behind Wheat and keeps reminding him what to do. Yeah I am comparing apples to oranges when it comes to skill, but wheat is processing things in the game 1/1000 of the speed that the pros are and he even get flustered with someone helping him. Imagine a pro processing the games information presented to him on top of someone informing him on stuff? Nonsense. Also, these players practice thousands of hours in certain attire for a reason. Take the headphones off a pro-player and he's already out of his element. Not only does he have the background noise of a person speaking to him, he has the background noise of everything else he is not used to hearing. Like I said earlier, dumb thread to stir up the crowd. | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
It's funny how everyone is calling you an idiot when your points are valid. Korean players have in fact stream-cheated in the past during online tournaments even if only $200 mostly because of their own Korean pride against foreigners, and used it to make sure that they win. And it wasn't only in a select few who later got caught for it. I'm not sure about it now, but at the time it was pretty common. About some1 staring over their shoulder etc., I do think that could garner an advantage. Pro players do in fact get supply blocked here and there, forget to start their 2/2 for a while, miss a drop on the minimap, etc. Although if some1 is telling u every 2 seconds to do something, obviously you would not have an advantae from that because it'd just be annoying, but if some1 just made sure you have everything right and crisp then it certainly could give an advantage. For this tournament; I don't see why not. The only argument is that they're too "mature" to do it, which obviously isn't necessarily true due to the players in the past stream cheating in online cups. Not that I'm saying they did 100%, but more of that if some players did have someone standing over their shoulder then I wouldn't be too surprised. Last edit: 2012-09-17 23:53:02 source? 1. Dont bring up Ex RGN manager's statement, it was a miscommunication between him and artist. 2. Koreans dont really need to cheat, since most foreigners on online tourneys are walk overs 3. There is no "korean pride" as you put it, did you actually get that from Naniwa? What Korean pride?? 4. If Korean pros are not stupid enough to cheat on online tourneys, considering how Korean fans went mad when Dragon stream cheated. If you were in their shoes, would you risk yourself by stream cheating in shitty online tourneys? Garbage. Please dont bring up that crap. You cant even read Korean, how the fuck would you know that? | ||
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bestof
Germany5 Posts
i think there is ALOT of cheating going on online and offline.. there is NO_WAY that people cant hear commentators or the croud on big events like mlg... i remember seeing dreamhack 2010 or sth where whitera played MC in the finals and it was 15.000$ first place or sth, and the last match MC proxied 2 rax'd whitera, and whitera send out a scout from his base and suddenly send the scout back... the whole audiance where screaming and there was no doubt that whitera didnt hear them... to clarify he heared the audiance but didnt scout the 2 gateways in his base on purpose.. it was so obvious but at that moment he probably didnt wanted to cheat and check his base... but yeah its just an example of how players cheat in offline tournaments, and i find it pretty stupid to have the players and the audiance in the same room in big tournaments.. Also, why you think foreigners have it so hard in GSL? maybe because the koreans can hear their commentarys in their booth but only they can understand them ( if a foreigner plays vs a korean) ... | ||
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Deadstrider
Netherlands258 Posts
Also, why you think foreigners have it so hard in GSL? maybe because the koreans can hear their commentarys in their booth but only they can understand them ( if a foreigner plays vs a korean) ... Lol what? Maybe because koreans train alot harder then most foreigners? Besides that there are max only 2-3 foreigners in GSL at the same time. Most booths at MLG, IPL etc are soundproof and have white noise, I dont think you are totally right. | ||
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bestof
Germany5 Posts
On September 19 2012 16:00 Deadstrider wrote: Lol what? Maybe because koreans train alot harder then most foreigners? Besides that there are max only 2-3 foreigners in GSL at the same time. Most booths at MLG, IPL etc are soundproof and have white noise, I dont think you are totally right. who says they are sound proof plz? creating a sound proof booth is extremly expensive and difficult, try to buy completly soundproof windows for example, they cost a fortune.. i'm 100% sure all those gamer booth's are not soundproof at all, and you can still hear commentators in it.. for example the noise just in the GSL studio is that loud that you can hear the korean commentators through the english cast.. i'm amazed everytime i see the presentation of those tournaments where they have the players infront of the audiance and you can hear the commentators voice in the whole room... it has something of a wrestling match really the ONLY way to proof that those things are soundproof is to have one of those things sitting in the booth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_level_meter | ||
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PedroBlanco
Canada65 Posts
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EnE
417 Posts
On September 19 2012 17:23 bestof wrote: who says they are sound proof plz? creating a sound proof booth is extremly expensive and difficult, try to buy completly soundproof windows for example, they cost a fortune.. i'm 100% sure all those gamer booth's are not soundproof at all, and you can still hear commentators in it.. for example the noise just in the GSL studio is that loud that you can hear the korean commentators through the english cast.. i'm amazed everytime i see the presentation of those tournaments where they have the players infront of the audiance and you can hear the commentators voice in the whole room... it has something of a wrestling match really the ONLY way to proof that those things are soundproof is to have one of those things sitting in the booth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_level_meter In addition to being near soundproof, white noise is played from the inside of the booth, additional white noise is played through the headphones, and the player puts his own music and gamesounds through earbuds. | ||
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Doomball
United States26 Posts
The point here is that removing these mistakes entirely probably wouldn't have that much effect on a professional player, who trains numerous hours each day perfecting against these mistakes. This of course may be too idealistic, and so I'm gonna fall back on everyone else's argument that someone yelling over your shoulder is just plain fucking annoying. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On September 19 2012 15:37 bestof wrote: Also, why you think foreigners have it so hard in GSL? maybe because the koreans can hear their commentarys in their booth but only they can understand them ( if a foreigner plays vs a korean) ... Yeah, because foreigners have such an easy time outside of GSL........ this has to be a joke right? | ||
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zyce
United States649 Posts
 Jaedong vs.  Flying:For those that can't/won't watch the video: + Show Spoiler + Jaedong has a bad rally, and proceeds to get 30ish hydralisks blocked by several drones on his ramp. This goes on for 7-8 minutes while Jaedong battles furiously with Flying. As soon as he realizes he has hydras overflowing, he Saurons that shit like it's nobody's business. | ||
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JanneF
1 Post
This arrangement has few obvious downsides, biggest probably being additional workload on the referees (requiring two referees or twice as long, going over the recordings after the match); players might also find it annoying not being able to play with their headphones on if they are used to it. Being required to invest few tens of bucks in a webcam seems irrelevant if you want to compete for tens of thousands of dollars. Then again, I am not entirely convinced about banning this practice - why not introduce this kind of element into online tournaments. Sure, it shifts gameplay away from that in GSL essentially making online tornaments a team game, but as an observer and a Starcraft fan (not much of a player myself, and thus will never concern me in that manner) I would imagine it would be as fun to watch, if not more so. Listening to team communications in MLG League of Legends events has been intresting... | ||
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Vandrad
Germany951 Posts
On September 19 2012 01:12 shell wrote: If you put TSL on the spot for this, then what happens with all the online qualifiers for every tournament? WCS, MLG, DH, IEM, NASL, IPL, etc.. all have online qualifiers, did those players cheat? I guess you never know! For qualifiers it wouldn't matter that much. You may qualify but when you get crushed in the tornament you will probably regret even cheating your way into it. | ||
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bestof
Germany5 Posts
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TyrionSC2
United States411 Posts
Other pros have stated in the past that they have stream cheated in the past and had help in online tournaments. It isn't out of the question at all. | ||
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ShiniSama
United States103 Posts
But for real.. This would never happen and it is kind of ridiculous to even think it would. The players in this tourny are pro's and can probably react to it just as fast as someone just standing there can say something about it. | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
On September 20 2012 17:08 zyce wrote: I thought that this would be relevant... If anyone remembers this game, one person over the shoulder would've helped a lot. Also, a very impressive game to watch. Jaedong vs. Flying:+ Show Spoiler + For those that can't/won't watch the video: + Show Spoiler + Jaedong has a bad rally, and proceeds to get 30ish hydralisks blocked by several drones on his ramp. This goes on for 7-8 minutes while Jaedong battles furiously with Flying. As soon as he realizes he has hydras overflowing, he Saurons that shit like it's nobody's business. Clearly all part of the plan  Step 1: Make opponent think you have bad macro and he's ahead. Step 2: Win!  | ||
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stard1n
50 Posts
So booths are not completely sound proof. As for playing without booths - i think that is plain stupidity. | ||
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