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SafeWord
Profile Joined February 2010
United States522 Posts
March 19 2011 21:40 GMT
#281
Game 3 shows you want would of happened if Game 1 went on.

Seriously
Who needs players when you have God?
VaultDweller
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania132 Posts
March 19 2011 21:40 GMT
#282
I believe the decision was 100% correct. I thought it was over when NightEnD's army melted and wasn't really expecting a comeback. The explanations are also really solid, so very good job at handling a delicate situation.

I have one problem though... you could have posted this after the series and not after the match... reading Praetoriani's comment on the situation pretty much spoiled the results of the series since they clearly wouldn't have formulated it that way if NightEnD would have won
"War is not about who's right- it's about who's left."
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 21:41:15
March 19 2011 21:40 GMT
#283
On March 20 2011 06:36 n00b3rt wrote:
Only 1 complaint : you should have posted this thread after all the games had been casted. The reaction by Prae spoiled the result of game 3 ;(


Agreed. I had this same thought in chat.

Seeing what their "no comment" was and that they didn't want to "throw stones" let me know that the entire series did not go their way.

Just something to learn from for next time.

Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
March 19 2011 21:41 GMT
#284
I didn't see the game, but this is the most thorough explanation of rules and a decision I have ever seen for a competition. Great job.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
BlazingInferno
Profile Joined November 2010
India272 Posts
March 19 2011 21:41 GMT
#285
I am just surprised at the amount of nothing arguments popping in this thread. People arguing for the sake of arguing and saying that it is never 100% over until it actually is. If you are going to argue in a thread as professional as this, at least try to make the arguments sound as good as the original post is.

I am not a TL fanboy, just someone who can see how professionally handled this is. Nobody is saying you should not argue, but have respect for the original post and make the effort to prove why you think it might be the wrong decision.

When the admins have taken so much effort to validate their points, you have to take at least as much effort to invalidate them. Just saying it is never 100% over is not going to cut it.
nukde
Profile Joined November 2010
United States3 Posts
March 19 2011 21:41 GMT
#286
very professional and well thought out!
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
March 19 2011 21:43 GMT
#287
So if Boxer had vetoed a different panel member, and Cloud had submitted his decision, then it would have been a re-game? Since that in order to award a win to the disconnecting player a unanimous decision is needed.
thebike
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States157 Posts
March 19 2011 21:44 GMT
#288
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I think that the disconnection issue was handled wonderfully and professionally. The one minor comment I would make is that I think the statement from Praetoriana was sort of a spoiler that BoxeR would end up the victor. After reading that statement, it seemed strongly implied to me that NightEnD was going to lose the series. I would have probably released that statement after the series was completed. In general, very good job guys!
the bike AKA the REGULAR TRAIN
Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
March 19 2011 21:44 GMT
#289
Game 3 outcome kind of cements this decision. Nightend had even more economy than he did in Game1 and still couldn't get back into the game.
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
Slix36
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom145 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 21:47:00
March 19 2011 21:46 GMT
#290
Very professional attitude from TSL here and i agree completely with the analyses of Nazgul, MC and Morrow.

That being said i wonder how long it took to completely analyse the situation and as such if it would be an appropriate system for something live like GSL. If it only took a few minutes then i think this sort of analysis would be a good idea for things like GSL and MLG.
Never too late to stand your ground.
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
March 19 2011 21:46 GMT
#291
On March 20 2011 06:27 imaROBOT wrote:
Rule #3 states...

"If the disconnecting player had the game absolutely won then we will rule it a win for the disconnecting player. "Absolutely won" means that the player had the game won beyond all reasonable doubt and had an "absolute advantage.""

Then Nazgul states the following...

"A huge advantage however is not enough for an "absolute" win. "

This just goes to show that you will NEVER know for sure if the player with the advantage would have won. There will always be a possibility of a come back no matter how small the chance, it's still possible.

The game should have been replayed following the rules in the TSL handbook. The game was not won by BoxeR beyond all reason of doubt. Nightend had the gateways to remake his army, chrono boost stocked up, and BoxeR could have made some mistake.

It's not fair to award a win to a player because you are just ASSUMING he wouldn't have made a mistake.

People are really taking Nazgul's quote out of context. He is saying that the advantage alone isn't enough to award Boxer the win, but when you include the other factors that he goes on to list, such as no blink/charge or templar archives, then it is enough for him to award Boxer the game.
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
March 19 2011 21:46 GMT
#292
On March 20 2011 06:31 Thrill wrote:
Why isn't the fact that panel members are chosen in part from players still in the tournament [a huge deal]?

Bias? Conflict of interest? Directly adverse interest?

Also, an advantage for the players in the panel who get a tournament replay of someone they might meet themselves. If some players gain access to this replay, everyone else competing should? Not just the replay actually, but the early information as well.

Really weird to me how everyone is calling this so professional - professional would have been having a ref pool ready BEFORE the tournament without players in the tournament. DC:s can and will happen in every tourney and admins should be very prepared for it.

Admins should also be VERY clear on procedure - if TL is so transparent, why are we not informed (in this thread) about the time span? How long did it take from the DC 'til the next game was started? What were the players told as to when the next game would be played?


--

:s


This post really really needs a response. It sounds like TL just grabbed good players they had on hand without even considering that they were playing in the same tournament. Even if the decision is fair and accurate, the panel is frought with potential conflict of interest. Next time this happens, I strongly suggest having a truly independent panel, with absolutely no players that are playing in the tournament.
syzygy
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada14 Posts
March 19 2011 21:46 GMT
#293
What were the compelling reasons as to why Tyler and Cloud were vetoed?
mDuo13
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States307 Posts
March 19 2011 21:47 GMT
#294
Thrill has a point about the referee panel being prepared in advance, preferably of players outside the tournament -- however, I am impressed and also consider this a very professional reaction by the TSL staff in part because they acknowledge they could have handled it better and intend to revise their process in the future.

I like the choice of top players as referees, the thorough decisions by the referees, the prepared and courteous approach taken by all involved... Very good job, TSL. You've raised the bar for foreign-run tournaments and I can only hope that future event organizers follow suit.
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
March 19 2011 21:47 GMT
#295
MC what a baller, straight up to the point opinion.
banelings
imaROBOT
Profile Joined August 2010
United States81 Posts
March 19 2011 21:47 GMT
#296
On March 20 2011 06:41 BlazingInferno wrote:
I am just surprised at the amount of nothing arguments popping in this thread. People arguing for the sake of arguing and saying that it is never 100% over until it actually is. If you are going to argue in a thread as professional as this, at least try to make the arguments sound as good as the original post is.

I am not a TL fanboy, just someone who can see how professionally handled this is. Nobody is saying you should not argue, but have respect for the original post and make the effort to prove why you think it might be the wrong decision.

When the admins have taken so much effort to validate their points, you have to take at least as much effort to invalidate them. Just saying it is never 100% over is not going to cut it.


It's always funny when someone complains about worthless posts, while making one at the same time.

How are we supposed to match the effort in validating the fact that it wasn't 100% over? Am I going to make a simulation video showing what BoxeR might have done? No.

The point is I wish we could avoid disconnected, but we cant. Trying to argue what the two players were going to do next is impossible. You can make a video showing the outcome of a battle straight forward, but you don't know if they would have just moved right into each other.
co$.imaROBOT.Church of $in - Protoss
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
March 19 2011 21:47 GMT
#297
I do wonder what cloud's rationale would have been?
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
March 19 2011 21:48 GMT
#298
An extremely professional explaination. Excellent ruling and deductions by the judges and I agree 100%. With this, there is no doubt that boxer deserved the win.
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
dobbersp
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States94 Posts
March 19 2011 21:49 GMT
#299
Regardless of the decision, I really appreciate the system you have in place to deal with situations such as this.

Even more than I appreciate the forethought of this system, I am overwhelmed with happiness that you guys decided to apply so much honesty and transparency to this post. When you mention cloud's decision to re-game, and openly indicate things that could possibly be considered mistakes on your part during this process, it shows a lot of the integrity of this site and this tournament.

I commend you all for your efforts and I believe this issue was resolved adequately.

Much love for TL, their Staff, the players who participated on this judging panel, and the TSL
♥

d:- D
though the dark may come, the Sun also rises.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
March 19 2011 21:49 GMT
#300
On March 20 2011 06:27 imaROBOT wrote:
Rule #3 states...

"If the disconnecting player had the game absolutely won then we will rule it a win for the disconnecting player. "Absolutely won" means that the player had the game won beyond all reasonable doubt and had an "absolute advantage.""

Then Nazgul states the following...

"A huge advantage however is not enough for an "absolute" win. "

This just goes to show that you will NEVER know for sure if the player with the advantage would have won. There will always be a possibility of a come back no matter how small the chance, it's still possible.

The game should have been replayed following the rules in the TSL handbook. The game was not won by BoxeR beyond all reason of doubt. Nightend had the gateways to remake his army, chrono boost stocked up, and BoxeR could have made some mistake.

It's not fair to award a win to a player because you are just ASSUMING he wouldn't have made a mistake.


this should be bannable. people deliberately taking nazgul's quote out of context when his conclusion was obvious.
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