On March 20 2011 06:17 SupastaR wrote: We, Praetoriani and NightEnD wish to NOT COMMENT on the issues concerning the match between BoxeR and NightEnD, it's like fighting Goliath with no stones lying around.
oshit
If this quote is truly theirs, they should get punished. When you win you don't care what happened, I knew beforehand Boxer was going to take game 3 thanks to them.
They weren't the ones who decided to put the thread up in its entirety before the series was over, nor did they force you to read it
On March 20 2011 06:27 imaROBOT wrote: Rule #3 states...
"If the disconnecting player had the game absolutely won then we will rule it a win for the disconnecting player. "Absolutely won" means that the player had the game won beyond all reasonable doubt and had an "absolute advantage.""
Then Nazgul states the following...
"A huge advantage however is not enough for an "absolute" win. "
This just goes to show that you will NEVER know for sure if the player with the advantage would have won. There will always be a possibility of a come back no matter how small the chance, it's still possible.
The game should have been replayed following the rules in the TSL handbook. The game was not won by BoxeR beyond all reason of doubt. Nightend had the gateways to remake his army, chrono boost stocked up, and BoxeR could have made some mistake.
It's not fair to award a win to a player because you are just ASSUMING he wouldn't have made a mistake.
this should be bannable. people deliberately taking nazgul's quote out of context when his conclusion was obvious.
LOL
Deliberately taking his quote out of context? Did you read the rest of that sentence. The only other thing he states is that the Terran army would win the battle because of numbers and the phoenix low energy.
My point being, that you don't even know if they would have attacked straight forward like that video shows. If you read my whole post I point out that I think they made the right decision in the end anyway, DUDE.
Your post should qualify for a ban, it's pointless and adds nothing to the topic. GTFO!
Definitely a great write up and explanation for the circumstances regarding the first game. It's unfortunate though that it had to end up being a decision based on a ruling, but that's how these things go. I guess we can only hope for less disconnects in the future so these situations don't arise again. A great job nonetheless on the decision and execution of explaining the process TL, this is a very professional move and I hope that more organizations and leagues follow suit in the future.
On March 20 2011 06:17 SupastaR wrote: We, Praetoriani and NightEnD wish to NOT COMMENT on the issues concerning the match between BoxeR and NightEnD, it's like fighting Goliath with no stones lying around.
oshit
If this quote is truly theirs, they should get punished. When you win you don't care what happened, I knew beforehand Boxer was going to take game 3 thanks to them.
What? If anything, blame TL for publishing it before the games are done.
Kudos to TL for how they handled the situation. If anything, people should complain about the lack of stability of B.Net, which isn't really TL's fault. Let's just hope it won't happen again.
Each of the three panel members did a really good job of explaining the situation. As a protoss player, I had a fairly good idea that Nightend had lost and all three judges were able to confirm my feelings. A zerg player unfamiliar with PvT or a non-SC2 player may have been less comfortable with the decision, and Morrow did an amazing job with his thorough discussion and judgement, showing exactly why he thought the game was over.
Overall, I was impressed with how TL handled this situation. I loved the professionalism and preparedness of the crew, and it's good to see the tournament is in such caring hands.
I disagree, while i respect TL decision theres no way You could qualify this situation as absolutly won withaout a shadow of doubt. In fact later games prove that both players made a lot of questionable deciosion during the match. Boxer could throw his advantage away, no way that was a sure win.
And before someone quotes and rage, yes i did read the opinions of Nazgul and others, yes i know Boxer had huge advantage, but we all have seen many times better players than Boxer throw away even bigger advantages, no way that was a 100% win.
- putting in the Prae team comments kind of made me think that Boxer would go on to win the match - would probably be best not to have players that are in the tournament be on the dubious results panel, but obv appreciate that with time constraints it may not be that easy to work that out
On March 20 2011 06:17 SupastaR wrote: We, Praetoriani and NightEnD wish to NOT COMMENT on the issues concerning the match between BoxeR and NightEnD, it's like fighting Goliath with no stones lying around.
oshit
If this quote is truly theirs, they should get punished. When you win you don't care what happened, I knew beforehand Boxer was going to take game 3 thanks to them.
Actually you should be mad at TL for publishing the comment before the series was completely casted, not at them, it was an easy oversight to make though. I understand why TL posted this immediately after the first game instead of after the series though, it definitely helped keep people satisfied with the decision.
My fault. My apologies to Praetoriani. Yes, I am mad at TL now. That's a huge blunder and the only reason they should not be banned is becasue the site and the tournament is theirs :D.
Now seriously, don't do this again, I'm sure I'm not the only one that lost the excitement after that.
On another point, I like the fact that there were some rules set in stone and I liked discovering that the caster hadn't watched the games before casting them. The only thing that needs improvement is the panel choice, they definetely should't be from the tournament.
I think, it should be taken into account the comebackness of the protoss race. SC is a game, a gamble, like in the first game of strelok vs tyler, 1 second and nice ff can turn the tide. dont take SC as a math formular.
I suggest in such close situation it has to be regame, not judge ruling, also i like this panel idea!
Seems like a good decision, since if anyone would be asked to make a bet at that point, without doubt 100% would agree that Boxer was severely favored to win.
On the other hand, I think everyone has seen crazier comebacks, so the decision nowhere near falls in line with the #3 If the disconnecting player had the game absolutely won then we will rule it a win for the disconnecting player rule, in my books (it is, essentially, a 21 pop advantage). Pity that it kind of has to be "sold" in that way.
Obviously, stripping away a very probable victory from Boxer just because of a disconnect wouldn't have been too fair either - out of three shitty solutions, TL had to pick one - and no matter what the choice, a shitstorm would've ensued regardless.
Bottomline, respect for treating the situation as professionally as you possibly could.
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