On March 20 2011 06:27 imaROBOT wrote: Rule #3 states...
"If the disconnecting player had the game absolutely won then we will rule it a win for the disconnecting player. "Absolutely won" means that the player had the game won beyond all reasonable doubt and had an "absolute advantage.""
Then Nazgul states the following...
"A huge advantage however is not enough for an "absolute" win. "
This just goes to show that you will NEVER know for sure if the player with the advantage would have won. There will always be a possibility of a come back no matter how small the chance, it's still possible.
The game should have been replayed following the rules in the TSL handbook. The game was not won by BoxeR beyond all reason of doubt. Nightend had the gateways to remake his army, chrono boost stocked up, and BoxeR could have made some mistake.
It's not fair to award a win to a player because you are just ASSUMING he wouldn't have made a mistake.
You are quoting Nazgul wrong. Do it right.. like this:
A huge advantage however is not enough for an "absolute" win. The defining factor of why Terran is going to roll over Nightends army and expansion is because out of the 11 phoenix 9 are at ~30 energy.
On March 20 2011 06:27 imaROBOT wrote: Rule #3 states...
"If the disconnecting player had the game absolutely won then we will rule it a win for the disconnecting player. "Absolutely won" means that the player had the game won beyond all reasonable doubt and had an "absolute advantage.""
Then Nazgul states the following...
"A huge advantage however is not enough for an "absolute" win. "
This just goes to show that you will NEVER know for sure if the player with the advantage would have won. There will always be a possibility of a come back no matter how small the chance, it's still possible.
The game should have been replayed following the rules in the TSL handbook. The game was not won by BoxeR beyond all reason of doubt. Nightend had the gateways to remake his army, chrono boost stocked up, and BoxeR could have made some mistake.
It's not fair to award a win to a player because you are just ASSUMING he wouldn't have made a mistake.
It's becoming clear that you haven't read the OP at all. Their rulings take into account normal mistakes on the pro level, and the simulations run by Nazgul feature extremely sloppy play by the Terran.
Trust me I read the whole post. Keep ASSUMING things so your argument looks better.
BTW the video was not in the post when first read it. They had a replay link instead, so after the EDIT.. I would say they made a good decision, but you can never count someone out 100%.
What if BoxeR for some reason turned around and did not attack the Nexus? You DON'T KNOW! That's all I'm saying about this.
On March 20 2011 06:31 Thrill wrote: Why isn't the fact that panel members are chosen in part from players still in the tournament?
I would agree it would be optimal if the panel were all people not competing in the TSL, but I would also say that the skill level of the competitors makes them the most qualified to judge the likely outcome of the game.
The point of these rules are to make it not worth risking a loss by purposefully disconnecting when your ahead, because you have to be at the point where you WILL win, or they will award a regame. If your far enough ahead to be awarded a win, then you can pretty much A move the enemy and win anyway. The point of the rules are that you can only lose by pulling your net cable, you have nothing to gain. I think the rules are fine. DCs are unfortunate but in an online tourney unavoidable.
EDIT: I didn't quite read the OP's description of the simulation fully, apologies for that. I still think it should have gone to a regame out of pure principle that it was unintended.
I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.
1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other.
2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders and then flew past the army entirely with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.
Did you actually read the OP? The phoenixes IN-GAME had energy for two lifts ONLY, so the simulation would only lift 2 units.
I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.
1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other. Aside from when one of the judges said attack the Photon Cannon unstimmed and Stim once the army engages.
2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders while engaging the Medivacs and then flew past the army entirely doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.
He couldn't because 9 out of 11 phoenixes available had been recently drained of energy by perfect EMPs.
I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.
1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other. Aside from when one of the judges said attack the Photon Cannon unstimmed and Stim once the army engages.
2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders while engaging the Medivacs and then flew past the army entirely doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.
THere was no energy on the phoenix they were at 30 at the time of disconnects with gosts having energy for emp
I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.
1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other. Aside from when one of the judges said attack the Photon Cannon unstimmed and Stim once the army engages.
2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders while engaging the Medivacs and then flew past the army entirely doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.
Did you not bother reading? None of the phoenixes had energy. That's why they only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders and then were pretty much useless.
I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.
1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other. Aside from when one of the judges said attack the Photon Cannon unstimmed and Stim once the army engages.
2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders while engaging the Medivacs and then flew past the army entirely doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.
He couldnt lift the marauders cos all the phoenixes were emp-ed. Only 2 had energy to lift. Trust them , they did everything possible to simulate things as closely as it were.
I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.
1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other. Aside from when one of the judges said attack the Photon Cannon unstimmed and Stim once the army engages.
2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders while engaging the Medivacs and then flew past the army entirely doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.
The Phoenixes had been EMPed. This was mentioned in the OP, there was only enough energy for 1 lift on 2 phoenixes. The rest didn't have enough energy for a single EMP.
I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.
1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other. Aside from when one of the judges said attack the Photon Cannon unstimmed and Stim once the army engages.
2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders while engaging the Medivacs and then flew past the army entirely doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.
read the OP. all but 2 phoenix had been EMP'd seconds earlier. the simulation was accurate in that account. would have been interesting to see the outcome between a moving T and focus firing P though.
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