• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:47
CEST 01:47
KST 08:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon4[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent9Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues22LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris76
StarCraft 2
General
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy [G] How to watch Korean progamer Streams. Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ The Korean Terminology Thread Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent FlaSh on ACS Winners being in ASL
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group B [ASL20] Ro16 Group A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Is there English video for group selection for ASL
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Iron Harvest: 1920+ Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo IV S10 Infernal Tides Guide
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1471 users

[TSL] Day 1 Disconnect Situation - Page 14

Forum Index > PokerStrategy.com TSL3 Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 12 13 14 15 16 48 Next All
silentsaint
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany540 Posts
March 19 2011 21:33 GMT
#261
On March 20 2011 06:27 imaROBOT wrote:
Rule #3 states...

"If the disconnecting player had the game absolutely won then we will rule it a win for the disconnecting player. "Absolutely won" means that the player had the game won beyond all reasonable doubt and had an "absolute advantage.""

Then Nazgul states the following...

"A huge advantage however is not enough for an "absolute" win. "

This just goes to show that you will NEVER know for sure if the player with the advantage would have won. There will always be a possibility of a come back no matter how small the chance, it's still possible.

The game should have been replayed following the rules in the TSL handbook. The game was not won by BoxeR beyond all reason of doubt. Nightend had the gateways to remake his army, chrono boost stocked up, and BoxeR could have made some mistake.

It's not fair to award a win to a player because you are just ASSUMING he wouldn't have made a mistake.


You are quoting Nazgul wrong.
Do it right.. like this:

A huge advantage however is not enough for an "absolute" win. The defining factor of why Terran is going to roll over Nightends army and expansion is because out of the 11 phoenix 9 are at ~30 energy.


wasn't that hard now, was it?
It really tied the room together.
imaROBOT
Profile Joined August 2010
United States81 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 21:39:06
March 19 2011 21:33 GMT
#262
On March 20 2011 06:29 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 06:27 imaROBOT wrote:
Rule #3 states...

"If the disconnecting player had the game absolutely won then we will rule it a win for the disconnecting player. "Absolutely won" means that the player had the game won beyond all reasonable doubt and had an "absolute advantage.""

Then Nazgul states the following...

"A huge advantage however is not enough for an "absolute" win. "

This just goes to show that you will NEVER know for sure if the player with the advantage would have won. There will always be a possibility of a come back no matter how small the chance, it's still possible.

The game should have been replayed following the rules in the TSL handbook. The game was not won by BoxeR beyond all reason of doubt. Nightend had the gateways to remake his army, chrono boost stocked up, and BoxeR could have made some mistake.

It's not fair to award a win to a player because you are just ASSUMING he wouldn't have made a mistake.

It's becoming clear that you haven't read the OP at all. Their rulings take into account normal mistakes on the pro level, and the simulations run by Nazgul feature extremely sloppy play by the Terran.


Trust me I read the whole post. Keep ASSUMING things so your argument looks better.

BTW the video was not in the post when first read it. They had a replay link instead, so after the EDIT.. I would say they made a good decision, but you can never count someone out 100%.

What if BoxeR for some reason turned around and did not attack the Nexus? You DON'T KNOW! That's all I'm saying about this.
co$.imaROBOT.Church of $in - Protoss
jpditri
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States86 Posts
March 19 2011 21:34 GMT
#263
On March 20 2011 06:31 Thrill wrote:
Why isn't the fact that panel members are chosen in part from players still in the tournament?


I would agree it would be optimal if the panel were all people not competing in the TSL, but I would also say that the skill level of the competitors makes them the most qualified to judge the likely outcome of the game.
Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
March 19 2011 21:35 GMT
#264
The point of these rules are to make it not worth risking a loss by purposefully disconnecting when your ahead, because you have to be at the point where you WILL win, or they will award a regame. If your far enough ahead to be awarded a win, then you can pretty much A move the enemy and win anyway. The point of the rules are that you can only lose by pulling your net cable, you have nothing to gain. I think the rules are fine. DCs are unfortunate but in an online tourney unavoidable.
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
March 19 2011 21:35 GMT
#265
--- Nuked ---
Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
March 19 2011 21:35 GMT
#266
The manner in which the decision is taken is quite well done. Hopefully the next time a panel is prepared beforehand
:)
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 21:39:27
March 19 2011 21:36 GMT
#267
On March 19 2011 10:59 TL.net Bot wrote:



I think it should have gone to a regame.

EDIT: I didn't quite read the OP's description of the simulation fully, apologies for that. I still think it should have gone to a regame out of pure principle that it was unintended.
n00b3rt
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria890 Posts
March 19 2011 21:36 GMT
#268
Only 1 complaint : you should have posted this thread after all the games had been casted. The reaction by Prae spoiled the result of game 3 ;(
Yeah, whatever
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
March 19 2011 21:36 GMT
#269
blizzard: where is the save game feature? this is an ancient feature used by the dinosaurs D;
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
March 19 2011 21:37 GMT
#270
On March 20 2011 06:36 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 10:59 TL.net Bot wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm6deSRxjzs


I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.

1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other.

2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders and then flew past the army entirely with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.


Did you actually read the OP? The phoenixes IN-GAME had energy for two lifts ONLY, so the simulation would only lift 2 units.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
SafeWord
Profile Joined February 2010
United States522 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 21:37:56
March 19 2011 21:37 GMT
#271
Game 3 shows you want would of happened if Game 1 went on.
Who needs players when you have God?
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
March 19 2011 21:38 GMT
#272
On March 20 2011 06:36 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 10:59 TL.net Bot wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm6deSRxjzs


I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.

1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other. Aside from when one of the judges said attack the Photon Cannon unstimmed and Stim once the army engages.

2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders while engaging the Medivacs and then flew past the army entirely doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.


He couldn't because 9 out of 11 phoenixes available had been recently drained of energy by perfect EMPs.
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
March 19 2011 21:38 GMT
#273
On March 20 2011 06:36 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 10:59 TL.net Bot wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm6deSRxjzs


I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.

1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other. Aside from when one of the judges said attack the Photon Cannon unstimmed and Stim once the army engages.

2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders while engaging the Medivacs and then flew past the army entirely doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.


THere was no energy on the phoenix they were at 30 at the time of disconnects with gosts having energy for emp
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
March 19 2011 21:38 GMT
#274
On March 20 2011 06:36 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 10:59 TL.net Bot wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm6deSRxjzs


I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.

1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other. Aside from when one of the judges said attack the Photon Cannon unstimmed and Stim once the army engages.

2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders while engaging the Medivacs and then flew past the army entirely doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.


Did you not bother reading? None of the phoenixes had energy. That's why they only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders and then were pretty much useless.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
March 19 2011 21:38 GMT
#275
On March 20 2011 06:36 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 10:59 TL.net Bot wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm6deSRxjzs


I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.

1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other. Aside from when one of the judges said attack the Photon Cannon unstimmed and Stim once the army engages.

2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders while engaging the Medivacs and then flew past the army entirely doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.


He couldnt lift the marauders cos all the phoenixes were emp-ed. Only 2 had energy to lift. Trust them , they did everything possible to simulate things as closely as it were.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
March 19 2011 21:38 GMT
#276
--- Nuked ---
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
March 19 2011 21:39 GMT
#277
VERY well done by TL and TSL. Bringing in judges and a panel very smart, and cool that the panel members were so prestigious.

I also tend to agree with everything they said - protoss just didn't have anything left.
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
March 19 2011 21:39 GMT
#278
On March 20 2011 06:36 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 10:59 TL.net Bot wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm6deSRxjzs


I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.

1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other. Aside from when one of the judges said attack the Photon Cannon unstimmed and Stim once the army engages.

2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders while engaging the Medivacs and then flew past the army entirely doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.


The Phoenixes had been EMPed. This was mentioned in the OP, there was only enough energy for 1 lift on 2 phoenixes. The rest didn't have enough energy for a single EMP.
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
mathemagician1986
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany549 Posts
March 19 2011 21:39 GMT
#279
On March 20 2011 06:36 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 10:59 TL.net Bot wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm6deSRxjzs


I think it should have gone to a regame. I noticed several flaws with the way the simulation was played out which made it more one-sided for Boxer than you think.

1) It looks like the units were just 1+A'd into each other. Aside from when one of the judges said attack the Photon Cannon unstimmed and Stim once the army engages.

2) Notice that the Phoenixes quickly took out the Medivacs, only picked up 1 or 2 Marauders while engaging the Medivacs and then flew past the army entirely doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL with a few Stalkers still left. I don't think NightEnD is stupid enough to just leave the Marauders the hell alone after that with a gigantic amount of energy left on them. Plus I think he could have won that engagement had he pre-lifted a lot of the Marauders at the start.


read the OP. all but 2 phoenix had been EMP'd seconds earlier. the simulation was accurate in that account. would have been interesting to see the outcome between a moving T and focus firing P though.
javy_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1677 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 21:41:49
March 19 2011 21:39 GMT
#280
wrong thread
♪~( ̄。 ̄)
Prev 1 12 13 14 15 16 48 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL Team Wars
20:00
Round 6
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
Team Sziky vs Team Hawk
ZZZero.O35
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
CosmosSc2 42
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 701
ZZZero.O 35
sSak 32
NaDa 23
Dota 2
monkeys_forever343
League of Legends
JimRising 397
Counter-Strike
fl0m355
Foxcn246
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox216
Other Games
summit1g7031
Grubby3152
Day[9].tv565
C9.Mang0230
Maynarde111
ViBE51
fpsfer 1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2062
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH246
• RyuSc2 62
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• ZZZeroYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22762
• C_a_k_e 2269
League of Legends
• Doublelift4044
• TFBlade393
Other Games
• Scarra1455
• imaqtpie1177
• Shiphtur600
• Day9tv565
Upcoming Events
OSC
13m
ReBellioN vs PAPI
Spirit vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
TriGGeR vs TBD
Shameless vs UedSoldier
Cham vs TBD
Harstem vs TBD
RSL Revival
10h 13m
Cure vs SHIN
Reynor vs Zoun
Kung Fu Cup
12h 13m
TaeJa vs SHIN
ByuN vs Creator
The PondCast
13h 13m
RSL Revival
1d 10h
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
1d 12h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 12h
BSL Team Wars
1d 19h
RSL Revival
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
[ Show More ]
Cosmonarchy
2 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
BSL Team Wars
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Wardi Open
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.