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idonthinksobro
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Can you racepick - or do you have to pick a race and stick with it? thanks | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
 On January 01 2011 21:13 PredY wrote: is it possible to play on my team account on US server? i play on euro but we have US team acc so i wonder if it is possible, obviously only one of us woud play on it im sure thats ok as long as u tell them ur predy before the tournament  | ||
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integral
United States3161 Posts
I have to say I'm really disappointed in this decision and will not be looking forward to seeing foreigners inevitably getting eliminated by players with significant more opportunity to earn money/exposure from playing starcraft because they live in korea. The simple reality is that most foreigners do not have the opportunity to move to Korea to practice and compete in the GSL, whereas players who already live in Korea have a much easier time of it. None of this is new or any different than the reasons explained for excluding koreans from the other TSLs, so I'm very confused as to why this was changed. I at the very least would have appreciated being able to have somewhat of a voice/feedback in such a monumental change. Maybe this is silly, but I don't think I speak for just myself when I say feel like I'm a part of TL and thus feel a sense of ownership, that this tournament is collectively ours. If that were all, it'd be different, but the korean players are being given a special invitation instead of having to place well in qualifiers. Is it fair that NA/EU players have to qualify while the korean players do not? If so, how/why? I really don't understand this at all, remember how huge TSL2 was and how many slots were fought for by the foreign community? and how many really good players weren't able to qualify? Now we're almost halving that number? What I said above about foreign players inevitably getting eliminated has already come true, in this context -- 13 players now will not qualify. I'm genuinely concerned and disappointed and I'd appreciate a response. Thanks. | ||
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Quakie
Norway725 Posts
Would be nice with a clarification about why you have changed TSL to also include other than foreigners. But this is a great announcement, and I think the tournament will be one of the best ever.  | ||
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debasers
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On January 01 2011 21:17 integral wrote: None of this is new or any different than the reasons explained for excluding koreans from the other TSLs, so I'm very confused as to why this was changed. Because in Sc2, the best Koreans are slightly better than the best Europeans while in BW, every b-team member would've raped most non-Koreans with ease? Foreigners are still perfectly capable of competing with Koreans in Sc2, even if they might be lagging behind. If that were all, it'd be different, but the korean players are being given a special invitation instead of having to place well in qualifiers. Is it fair that NA/EU players have to qualify while the korean players do not? If so, how/why? I really don't understand this at all Read the FAQ, the reason's because setting up TL opens for Korea would be a logistical nightmare. And there's the other side of it too, yes, some Koreans will be given a free pass into the tournament, but those aren't won't have an opportunity to qualify for the tournament, while every single foreigner has the chance to qualify. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 01 2011 21:17 integral wrote: I'm confused and would like some more clarification as to the intent of inviting korean players. Korea already dominates pretty much every major tournament, it's been a huge benefit to the foreign community to have the TSL be foreigners only. What was the rationale for changing this? Wasn't the whole point of TSL to have a tournament for the players with less opportunity and support to play in major tournaments? I'm not sure what major tournaments Koreans have been dominating, besides Korean tournaments. The Korean players that have participated in foreign events have not done so well, unless you're counting Jinro (who hadn't made his GSL run yet) and IdrA (who has always been considered a foreigner, even in previous TSLs.) The Kaspersky Invitational was really the first where they've showed up, and that wasn't as high level. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On that note though, I think TL's justification is striving to be the next OSL essentially. They are constantly talking about growing, and expanding the site and I imagine if you really want to grow and your site/business is based around a game played heavily by Koreans it doesn't make much sense to ban them from your tournament. Although if you agree with the first paragraph, the second paragraph does feel like a betrayal for the sake of progress. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 01 2011 22:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I think its more the principle of the matter that integral is referring to. The TSL being foreigner only gave a huge cash tournament for the foreigners while the Koreans always have big money incentives. I don't think its fair to say it was just the skill differential for why Koreans were banned previously. On that note though, I think TL's justification is striving to be the next OSL essentially. They are constantly talking about growing, and expanding the site and I imagine if you really want to grow and your site/business is based around a game played heavily by Koreans it doesn't make much sense to ban them from your tournament. Although if you agree with the first paragraph, the second paragraph does feel like a betrayal for the sake of progress. Also consider that SC2 is a much more global game than BW was. The foreign community was barely acknowledged by Koreans, besides once a year, whereas now we're living/training together, we have Korean streamers on this site, etc. I think it'd be worse to artificially exclude them, when we've got an awesome thing going that simply wasn't possible in BW. I mean, part of GSL was that all you needed was a plane ticket to compete. This is not the same community situation that we saw in BW. | ||
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greenjohn
Austria18 Posts
- What time are the EU and NA qualifiers going to be respectively? | ||
voy[TECH]
Poland63 Posts
Exciting news about TSL3. Can't wait. I see that there will be no live audience for the final. Why? Are there any particular logistics/sponsorship issues? I my mind that's (live venues) what helps promoting SC, would you agree? Keep up good work. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 01 2011 21:17 integral wrote: The TSL originally excluded the Koreans because they had an already established gaming scene. We felt that adding another tournament on top of that would be silly, seeing as people already make a living out of it. In SC:BW you couldn't make a living out of it unless you risked everything and lived like shit in Korea - which many tried and failed to do. Further, there were no "massive" foreign tournaments whereas the Koreans had 6+ every year. I'm confused and would like some more clarification as to the intent of inviting korean players. Korea already dominates pretty much every major tournament, it's been a huge benefit to the foreign community to have the TSL be foreigners only. What was the rationale for changing this? Wasn't the whole point of TSL to have a tournament for the players with less opportunity and support to play in major tournaments? I have to say I'm really disappointed in this decision and will not be looking forward to seeing foreigners inevitably getting eliminated by players with significant more opportunity to earn money/exposure from playing starcraft because they live in korea. The simple reality is that most foreigners do not have the opportunity to move to Korea to practice and compete in the GSL, whereas players who already live in Korea have a much easier time of it. None of this is new or any different than the reasons explained for excluding koreans from the other TSLs, so I'm very confused as to why this was changed. I at the very least would have appreciated being able to have somewhat of a voice/feedback in such a monumental change. Maybe this is silly, but I don't think I speak for just myself when I say feel like I'm a part of TL and thus feel a sense of ownership, that this tournament is collectively ours. If that were all, it'd be different, but the korean players are being given a special invitation instead of having to place well in qualifiers. Is it fair that NA/EU players have to qualify while the korean players do not? If so, how/why? I really don't understand this at all, remember how huge TSL2 was and how many slots were fought for by the foreign community? and how many really good players weren't able to qualify? Now we're almost halving that number? What I said above about foreign players inevitably getting eliminated has already come true, in this context -- 13 players now will not qualify. I'm genuinely concerned and disappointed and I'd appreciate a response. Thanks. Fast forward to SC2 and things are drastically different. There are $10k+ tournaments all over the place and it is completely feasible for a player to make a living out of this game. In the last month we had DreamHack (15k first prize), Beeline Cup (10k first prize) and Gameque Mexico (10k first prize). There are a number of big tournaments coming up in January as well (such as PokerIdol - £5000 prize pool). It's true that the Koreans have the GSL, but other tournaments are insignificant compared to that. It's really GSL or nothing, and there can only be one GSL winner. If you're not top 8 GSL then you're making peanuts. You can argue that the Koreans have a better practice environment, but that's also no longer the case. There are already prohouses being formed in Europe (I know of at least one in Germany with cloud/nani) and that'll surely help things. We feel that TSL should be striving to be the biggest tournament in the world, there's no point in selling ourselves short. To do that we need the best competition in the world. And while we can't realistically run TLOpens in Asia just yet, we will eventually. In the mean time, invites will make the TSL a truly international event. Ultimately, I can't see any reasons in your post for why this move is a bad thing, other than this one line: Wasn't the whole point of TSL to have a tournament for the players with less opportunity and support to play in major tournaments? Yes. But now can you honestly say that this case in Starcraft 2? | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 01 2011 22:59 greenjohn wrote: Can a referee answer this question, I wasn't able to find the answer in the FAQ or comments. (if it's there, sorry) - What time are the EU and NA qualifiers going to be respectively? The same as they have been for previous TLOpens | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Will these be subjective? Or will there be a formula / allowing other community sites to host qualifiers / inviting tournament winners? | ||
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debasers
737 Posts
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greenjohn
Austria18 Posts
The same as they have been for previous TLOpens I looked it up and came up with this: NA: 6 PM CEST EU: 4 PM CEST Is that correct? | ||
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sekritzzz
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On January 02 2011 04:04 sekritzzz wrote: The map pool removed section made me go O_O. I can understand using a whole new set or maybe removing old maps (desert oasis/kulas) but the choices were kinda weird. There is new/old in play and new/old removed. What is the motive between keeping and removing a map out of curiosity? balance they removed the maps that are seen as most imbalanced right now. | ||
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