[spoilers]TSL Was Great! - Page 4

On March 01 2010 22:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

It wasn't so much the results. I just used that as a crude example. Generally I didn't like seeding that many people just right into money. I just felt like it could have ruined the quality and was wondering what you guys were saying about it behind the scenes. I never really saw it talked about. So why did you guys decide to Seed into Ro16 instead of Ro48? I am interested by the discussion behind it.

On March 01 2010 07:52 Hot_Bid wrote:
Secondly, I feel that errors are magnified, since things going right is the "norm." For instance, a situation where users helped us improve was the thread about obs/caster coordination (criticizing us). It was something we definitely improved upon as the tournament went along. Our obs, casters, and others really focused on this problem. We may have argued with one or two bad apples who were being idiots in the thread, but we did accept the point -- the obs/caster sync had to get better. And it did, as evidenced by the lack of comment/complaint about it ever since then. Once it got better, nobody mentioned it again (as expected).

Another example would be the mass of people claiming "imba!! idra and ret shouldn't play, they are progamers, its completely not fair and none of the other players have a chance." Now, those people look pretty stupid, but obviously they aren't going to make a thread "Sorry for whining so much, I was wrong to say other players had no chance against these two." Similarly, nobody is going to make a thread "wow the caster audio didn't drop at all during semis and finals!" because these sorts of things only get highlighted when things go wrong.

All that said, we enjoyed it tremendously. It was a huge learning experience for us as well, and I'm sure the next TSL (whether its for SC2 or not) will have another great leap forward in every aspect. I'm also very happy PS sponsored us -- they were the perfect sponsor. They were very professional, worked with us on many things, and let us sort through any errors we had. Thanks to them, and of course to everyone that watched.

On March 01 2010 23:43 mijellin wrote:
this so much. i have some experience running tournaments and doing other administrative stuff for a different internet game, and it is honestly one of the most thankless jobs ever. the vast majority of players just bitched and moaned about any nitpicky fault they could find; if everything went smoothly, they just chilled and reaped the benefits. fortunately the sc/tl community seems to be a bit better about that in gen, but there are still a good number of these "bad apples" intent on causing a scene.

that said, congrats to the winner, and much love to tl+ps.com for a tremendous tournament!!

On March 01 2010 23:55 Krigstar wrote:


I have never run a tournament or anything like it because I believe it is a thankless job like you say (also I would suck). I need money or thanks most of the time, rarely the work itself is reward enough and therefore I don't do it. I am glad there are people like you who does though. The problem is that you should really start to think WHY you do it if you have to be defensive about mistakes or bad work. You don't get paid, you don't get appreciation... What is it then? You obviously do it for something and that is obviously reward enough since you do it...

The point beeing that the line "we do it for free, without pay or anything so you should be greatful" always can be countered with "you do it voluntarily though and there is obviously some sort of reward that is enough for you."

On March 01 2010 23:14 Hot_Bid wrote:

We seeded into Ro16 because we promised them seeds into the Ro16. If you take a look at how our seeds did:

JF: finished #4, beat a lot of "in shape" players like Terran and White-Ra
Draco: lost badly, but lost to our 3rd place finisher
Brat: lost in Ro16, but lost to our runner-up

On March 02 2010 02:31 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

All I needed to hear :D I didn't realize it was a prize from last TSL tournament.

I wasn't disputing the results. Draco did lose to the third place guy, but the games weren't even slightly impressive. Thanks for the answer though HB, were this tournies top 3 seeded into TSL3 as well?

On March 02 2010 03:18 Foucault wrote:
Yep I think it was quite the good tournament as well! Maybe not the same hype etc that the first TSL but still one of the best foreign tournaments ever (the best?). The price money was off the hook too

A couple of things I would like to bring up:

I know it's probably not possible but the distance in time between the games being played hardly makes it seem like a tournament. It's more like a couple of games here and there and no continuity. Then again this might be an impossible obstacle to move around so it's no ones fault really. Real life happens etc

Some casting was quite bad; ie some of the later casts by Tastosis were joke-fests with no real quality to them. It was quite immature and it got to the point where I turned off the sound because it felt like they weren't even watching the games, just competing in being the funniest in some sort of constant friendly power struggle they got going on. I know it's 5 am in Seoul but seriously though, casting Starcraft is not rocket science after all, which Tastosis definately showed us. They are both amazing on their own or with DJWheat but together it doesn't really work. I was disappointed.

Chill/day9 worked much better and it's not because they are better casters than Tastosis but maybe they took the whole thing more seriously or their personalities just create a calm, relaxed atmosphere. I dunno. Sure there are some jokes, and hey that's fine lol! But they are much more into the game in general and discuss strategies and the things that happen in the game more.

In case anyone misunderstands this post. I think all these 4 casters are great. Tasteless for his enthusiasm, Artosis for his passion for SC, Chill for creative and insightful logical reasoning, and Day9 for being an eloquent and entertaining/funny speaker who loves SC.

I definately wonder how Tasteless/Chill or Artosis/Day9 would turn out.

On March 02 2010 03:26 Xeris wrote:


Draco was actually in quite good shape - if you watched his Nostalgia games and his other tournament matches around this time he was looking REALLY impressive. He was also streaming his practice games a lot

I think it just happened that he had an off day when he was playing Sen and produced mediocre games. Everyone has their bad days, Draco just had his at an inopportune moment.

On March 02 2010 07:47 Zozma wrote:
I... don't understand how you can say that. I didn't feel that way about the Tasteless/Artosis casts at all.