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On December 08 2009 19:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2009 19:33 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
But please admins: Many people are not even reading tl.net and might not know. This
You should definitely post massive links on the iccup team page as well so that almost everyone can see it..
really ! =)
other than that: good rule ! NO people playing TEAMLIQUID STAR LEAGUE should READ the RULES on TEAMLIQUID. It isn't TEAMLIQUID's job to go force idiots to read all their rules when the rules are about as available as is possible/expected for a tourney being ran from the website that has a dedicated forum with links to everything you could possibly need to know about the tourney YOU (the proverbial you) signed up for.
I just don agree with your statement.
Even though it will be the minority their might be people who never visited tl.net and just read about TSL on iccup, gosugamers or heard it from their friends. I dont see a reason not to give out as much information as possible in various ways..
But its your opinion and I have mine.. + What i said was to LINK them to the rules on tl.net and to write it in comments on the iccup ladder page
not like '' link here ''
but like : IMPORTANT !! FOR ALL LADDER PLAYERS !!! '' link '' ect..
That was my whole point. Maybe u understand now ( not the proverbial you this time )
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I understand you disagree. You've been doing that with me for a very long time now. It just so happens I'm representing accountability and responsibility and you prefer holding hands and helping the handicapped read big words.
They want to take a crack at 20k$ in prizes but cannot be bothered to read the rules on the home website for the tourney? Fuck them rofl
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I actually agree with iNc for once on something. "TSL" Teamliquid Star Leauge... teamliquid.net. Yeah.. lol
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There are people who are not using teamliquid.net
Giving them a link to all the important rules was all Im asking for.
It would be unfair to give anyone an advantage just because hes using tl.net or to word it better to give anyone disadvantages just because he's not. That all Im saying.
And especially with so much money on the line it should not matter if u are involved in the community and if u visit tl.net or not.
I was just indicating that some might not be familiar with tl.net at all and arent used to the hp and might not find all the informations needed.
No big deal..
Ive been doing what with you for a very long time now ??
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On December 08 2009 20:41 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I understand you disagree. You've been doing that with me for a very long time now. It just so happens I'm representing accountability and responsibility and you prefer holding hands and helping the handicapped read big words.
They want to take a crack at 20k$ in prizes but cannot be bothered to read the rules on the home website for the tourney? Fuck them rofl
Maybe they read the rules in the beginning, but did not anticipate that there would be an addition a few days before the ladder ends.
But I'm actually playing devils advocate here, since I agree with Inc, It should be the players responsibility what is going on.
But to spread the information as much as possible shouldn't hurt anyone and may prevent a lot of complaints afterwards, which would just mean additional work for the admins.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On December 08 2009 21:07 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Ive been doing what with you for a very long time now ??
Disagreeing with him :p
Anyway, I don't think it's too much to ask of people to keep themselves updated regarding leagues and tournaments they participate in. Obviously that is done on the organizer's site -.-
Can't hurt to make a comment on the iCCup team page saying "rule update, check it out: LINK" though.
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Carnac that was a more or less rethorical question, though..
;D
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MaGic~PhiL, in the Ansadi Starleague the rules were on ansadi.com, and SC2GG on their site, etc. I don't see why TL should go out of their way to post the rules somewhere else.
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The two rules in the OP are a nice addition. There is still some abuse that could happen, but this should help alleviate some of the drama that happened last TSL, such as when players were playing the same guy 10-15 times before the end of the ladder stage.
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On December 08 2009 19:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2009 19:33 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
But please admins: Many people are not even reading tl.net and might not know. This
You should definitely post massive links on the iccup team page as well so that almost everyone can see it..
really ! =)
other than that: good rule ! NO people playing TEAMLIQUID STAR LEAGUE should READ the RULES on TEAMLIQUID. It isn't TEAMLIQUID's job to go force idiots to read all their rules when the rules are about as available as is possible/expected for a tourney being ran from the website that has a dedicated forum with links to everything you could possibly need to know about the tourney YOU (the proverbial you) signed up for.
I think you'd be right in most cases, but I also think this is kind of a weird situation.
Usually, before you agree to participate in something or sign a contract or whatever, you read the rules ONCE and then you're done.
When you sign a contract, you don't go over the contract every day to check if new rules were magically added.
And is it realistic to expect every TSL player to sweep TL.net everyday just in case somebody changes the rules?
In this situation, I think it's perfectly reasonable to reach out a bit and make an extra effort to make players aware a rule change has happened.
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On December 08 2009 22:50 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2009 19:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On December 08 2009 19:33 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
But please admins: Many people are not even reading tl.net and might not know. This
You should definitely post massive links on the iccup team page as well so that almost everyone can see it..
really ! =)
other than that: good rule ! NO people playing TEAMLIQUID STAR LEAGUE should READ the RULES on TEAMLIQUID. It isn't TEAMLIQUID's job to go force idiots to read all their rules when the rules are about as available as is possible/expected for a tourney being ran from the website that has a dedicated forum with links to everything you could possibly need to know about the tourney YOU (the proverbial you) signed up for. I think you'd be right in most cases, but I also think this is kind of a weird situation. Usually, before you agree to participate in something or sign a contract or whatever, you read the rules ONCE and then you're done. When you sign a contract, you don't go over the contract every day to check if new rules were magically added. And is it realistic to expect every TSL player to sweep TL.net everyday just in case somebody changes the rules? In this situation, I think it's perfectly reasonable to reach out a bit and make an extra effort to make players aware a rule change has happened.
Unless I am mistaken, this rule was already pointed out at the announcement of TSL 2, and this is only a reminder. This link here is the announcement for TSL 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105717#ladder . It clearly states under the rules that,
"On the final day of the ladder, players may only play another player to a difference of three games. For example, 3-0, 4-1, 5-2, 6-3 are all acceptable last day series scores against a single player, while 4-0 is not. Once the score reaches a three game margin for either player, the players must stop playing each other."
I am quite sure this has been there all along, so this is in fact a friendly reminder to those playing about the rule. Therefore the only way you wouldn't know is if you neglected to read the rules, and never bothered to check the forum at all.
EDIT: Oh I see, you are referring to the rule restricting games against players more than two ranks below you, my mistake.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
Uhm magic phil, incontrol is a 100% correct that players should be responsible enough to read the rules on Teamliquid when they enter the tournament AND keeping up with those rules. It's little effort to go to the website to check up on the latest news/rules.
However, it would be good/handy for the players to post links but it's not a necessity. They have >3 days to check it out or hear it from other players.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On December 08 2009 22:50 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2009 19:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On December 08 2009 19:33 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
But please admins: Many people are not even reading tl.net and might not know. This
You should definitely post massive links on the iccup team page as well so that almost everyone can see it..
really ! =)
other than that: good rule ! NO people playing TEAMLIQUID STAR LEAGUE should READ the RULES on TEAMLIQUID. It isn't TEAMLIQUID's job to go force idiots to read all their rules when the rules are about as available as is possible/expected for a tourney being ran from the website that has a dedicated forum with links to everything you could possibly need to know about the tourney YOU (the proverbial you) signed up for. I think you'd be right in most cases, but I also think this is kind of a weird situation. Usually, before you agree to participate in something or sign a contract or whatever, you read the rules ONCE and then you're done. When you sign a contract, you don't go over the contract every day to check if new rules were magically added. And is it realistic to expect every TSL player to sweep TL.net everyday just in case somebody changes the rules? In this situation, I think it's perfectly reasonable to reach out a bit and make an extra effort to make players aware a rule change has happened.
Sign a contract? What? I know I'e never signed anything even resembling a contract when participating in say sports tournaments.
Anyway, Hot_Bid posted the link to the rules update in the iCCup team comments hours ago.
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Russian Federation132 Posts
you dont have to sign something. if u go into a shop and buy a coke u make a contract without signing.
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leave a bot in the TSL channel msging everyone about the rule changes.
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i like this rule, and it makes sense to implement it for the final 72 hours since it could literally come down to a few points to qualify.
I would actually take it a step further as some mentioned and make it 2 ranks lower you cannot play. B+ players who cant quite make A- (can get there but not hold it in games vs A- consistently) can still play B- players and get their A-, and then play B players from there who they can still beat regularly.
Either way this rule is good, i'm speaking from purely a spectators point of view so i just want to see the highest quality games possible, which means the best players beating the best players..i do realize the nature of the ladder system though. This seems fair
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good luck all participants! 
ladder like crazyyy
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
guys stop saying "it wouldn't be so hard for TSL to do X"
NO SHIT?
Well guess who it'd be EASIER for and logically more intelligent? THE PLAYERS. TSL is already busy running .. TSL.. asking them to also hold the hands of the players who have invested interest in this league is ridiculous. "Updates you say? Well where? I never heard of them? I've just been playing this here TSL ladder and thats it!"
Bots? News post on ICCUP? Yes those things would be nice but even subtly arguing that it is somehow TSL's duty to provide those things is bullshit. This is a small matter and Magic~phil obviously has no real power but I want to nip this in the butt cause I am tired of this really strange immature logic that has found its way into just about every tourney and that is that players are big dummies who cannot and will not take care of themselves. If they choose to play the most prestigious league online and cannot bother to check the friggin rules every once in awhile then too hell with them I say?
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the angry ultralisk is right
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