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United States2473 Posts
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RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On December 09 2009 06:44 RoyW wrote: God-forbid I do anything that may negate confusion, complaints and some genuine misunderstandings if it breaches my PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ethic. We do post on our ICCup ladder page about rule changes (and link players here) -- not sure what more you expect us to do. In a tournament without a cohesive organizational structure for contacting players (ie KeSPA simply tells the proteams, who tell their players), announcements are usually handed out in such a way. We aren't going to seek out players and phone them personally. What will happen when we post lineups and schedules for qualifiers? If the players don't ever visit TL and miss their scheduled play dates, is "you never told me" an excuse? I don't think PL would accept "we didn't look at the schedule" as a legitimate reason if Samsung doesn't show up or something. | ||
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RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
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Ivory Coast856 Posts
On December 08 2009 15:49 MorroW[MB] wrote: yes but these rules are pretty exclusive it would be hard to have had them all along. the last days are so important which makes it worth the time to add extra rules and ppl with nothing better to do than watching ppls gamelists all day long :> wanna kick idra out of the tournmanet? get a- game with him, after 2:00 /clearstats YES then exit and he gets +13 for beating a D and gg him :D considering they say "penalty" and not kicked out... ya go ahead  | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 09 2009 07:51 Return wrote: considering they say "penalty" and not kicked out... ya go ahead Time to go delete my A- account! | ||
KwarK
United States42971 Posts
On December 09 2009 00:56 SkelA wrote: Poor Kwark... I'm pretty sure this won't effect me in any way. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
Also, don't forget there are different timezones, languages, and holidays in other countries. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
if anything Kwark made it mainly due to playing his allies and not due to playing ultra low ranks.. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
On December 09 2009 03:55 {88}iNcontroL wrote: guys stop saying "it wouldn't be so hard for TSL to do X" NO SHIT? Well guess who it'd be EASIER for and logically more intelligent? THE PLAYERS. TSL is already busy running .. TSL.. asking them to also hold the hands of the players who have invested interest in this league is ridiculous. "Updates you say? Well where? I never heard of them? I've just been playing this here TSL ladder and thats it!" Bots? News post on ICCUP? Yes those things would be nice but even subtly arguing that it is somehow TSL's duty to provide those things is bullshit. This is a small matter and Magic~phil obviously has no real power but I want to nip this in the butt cause I am tired of this really strange immature logic that has found its way into just about every tourney and that is that players are big dummies who cannot and will not take care of themselves. If they choose to play the most prestigious league online and cannot bother to check the friggin rules every once in awhile then too hell with them I say? I still think it's not the most professional thing to do. Once they read the rules, and decided to go for it, the players are then expected to do their thing - play. I wonder what you'd say if KeSPA banned zerglings from all pro games without notifying anyone, simply changing the fine print in their rulebook. I know this example is exaggarating in every way (zerglings are a much bigger deal, and TSL IS in fact reaching out and informing people), but I have a feeling that if you ran the ladder, you would advocate doing absolutely nothing? Changing rules midway is a deviation from the way almost all agreements work, and as such deserves some effort from the organizer to make all parties notified. I just feel that because you don't like the extreme baby-feeding in some cases, you are now going for an opposite extreme which again can't be good. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On December 09 2009 22:05 niteReloaded wrote: I still think it's not the most professional thing to do. Once they read the rules, and decided to go for it, the players are then expected to do their thing - play. I wonder what you'd say if KeSPA banned zerglings from all pro games without notifying anyone, simply changing the fine print in their rulebook. I know this example is exaggarating in every way (zerglings are a much bigger deal, and TSL IS in fact reaching out and informing people), but I have a feeling that if you ran the ladder, you would advocate doing absolutely nothing? Changing rules midway is a deviation from the way almost all agreements work, and as such deserves some effort from the organizer to make all parties notified. I just feel that because you don't like the extreme baby-feeding in some cases, you are now going for an opposite extreme which again can't be good. I don't think he's advocating the opposite extreme. He's advocating what we are doing right now: posting the rule changes in this forum, which includes a thread that is updated with all of them. Also, we update in the green box at the top of the site. If players don't see it personally, one of their contacts / teammates / managers / friends will surely see it and inform them. I think just by doing that we're fulfilling any duty of information to the players -- if KeSPA banned a particular tactic and posted news about it on the official KeSPA site (what we're doing now), I don't think any progamer could claim ignorance as a valid defense to that. | ||
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CeveRR
Sweden16 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4728 Posts
On December 10 2009 07:35 CeveRR wrote: dodging koreans shouldnt be allowed. semi-noobs getting higher then they are supposed ;-/ I can see how you thought this through very carefully. | ||
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jangmiz
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
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DrTJEckleburg
United States1080 Posts
On December 09 2009 16:46 ghermination wrote: How in the hell is Kwark ever gonna get back to A- like this? By beating B+ and A- players like he has previously in the tournament. Although he did say the maps were not his favorite for this week. | ||
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Jaxx
Slovakia758 Posts
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
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RobertKang
Japan18 Posts
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