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Braavos36373 Posts
From 12:00 KST December 10th 2009 until ladder end (Final 72 hours) the following rules will be enforced:
1. A player cannot play games against an opponent who is 3 or more ranks higher or lower than his own rank
2. A player may only have a 3 game win/loss differential versus his opponent in a 24-hour period
Notes:
Rule 1 - Example: If you are B+, you may play B-, B, B+, A-, and A rank players, but you may not play a C+ or A+ player. Any violations will result in point penalties.
Rule 2 - Example: If you are playing the same player, 3-0, 4-1, 5-2 would be acceptable scores, but 4-0 or 5-1 would not be. Any violations will result in point penalties.
We believe 48 hours is adequate notice for all ladder participants, but if you are in contact with any players (or teams) that aim to qualify, please inform them of this new rule.
Thanks.
Also added to Announcements:
Tie Ladder Score:
If two players are tied for a tier qualification spot (Ladder Ranks #1, #12, #24, and #48), the two tied players will play a Bo3 and the winner gets the higher rank.
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Poor Kwark.
This is definitely going to mill some people out though. If not out of the top 48, at least out of the top 12 or 24
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Isn't B- two ranks lower than B+... So you mean that a player can't play someone more than 2 ranks away from their own?
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Braavos36373 Posts
On December 08 2009 14:12 meeple wrote:
Isn't B- two ranks lower than B+... So you mean that a player can't play someone more than 2 ranks away from their own?
Correct, 2 ranks is fine, 3 ranks is illegal (changed the wording to make it clearer).
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On December 08 2009 14:12 meeple wrote:
Isn't B- two ranks lower than B+... So you mean that a player can't play someone more than 2 ranks away from their own?
Same thing stated different ways you are saying >2 is illegal they are saying >=3 is illegal when only integers are involved they mean the same thing.
disclaimer/edit: I have no affiliation with the TSL I just thought that was kind of obvious.
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lol we should label this the kwark rule
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Well, actually, to be fair, it's not really going to affect Kwark that much. I don't believe Kwark was playing any B- players when he was A-.
More like the Morrow rule <.<
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On December 08 2009 14:19 redtooth wrote:
lol we should label this the kwark rule
i second it lol
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On December 08 2009 14:25 Conquest101 wrote:
Well, actually, to be fair, it's not really going to affect Kwark that much. I don't believe Kwark was playing any B- players when he was A-.
More like the Morrow rule <.< but he was playing the same guys 10+ times.
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8748 Posts
i hope we see some good battles between TSL players in an effort to get +3 wins over someone else during those last 3 days. unfortunately the norm is a lot of stagnation and dodging at the end. but with the way the points at the cutoffs are so close, people could have the whole ladder come down to a few key games at the end :D
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On December 08 2009 14:25 Conquest101 wrote:
Well, actually, to be fair, it's not really going to affect Kwark that much. I don't believe Kwark was playing any B- players when he was A-.
More like the Morrow rule <.<
Yeah, rule being enforced ONLY during the last 72 hours tells us that they don't want anyone to be able to get those extra points needed for a higher rank "too easy". They have to beat better players.
However, this rule was not needed before because you gain so little points. He gained a total of about 100 points for doing that. Thats less than a game vs. equal opponents. To me he has proved he can beat "good" players too. Since only 100 out of 10500+ points is bashing noobs.
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No more D bashing for Morrow. 
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Morrow and Kwark still have 48 hours to play 4128401280 games against D ranks :D
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On December 08 2009 14:41 Straylight wrote:
Morrow and Kwark still have 48 hours to play 4128401280 games against D ranks :D
Foreigner Olympic Rank
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Nony, are you ready to play? Haven't heard much from you playing lately, or practicing.
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Braavos36373 Posts
Also added to announcements:
If two players are tied for a tier qualification spot (Ladder Ranks #1, #12, #24, and #48), the two tied players will play a Bo3 and the winner gets the higher rank.
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when is 12:00 KST December 10th 2009 in CET
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I do not like new ladder rules implemented in the middle of a season. Some people have had that unfair advantage for a couple weeks while others have not used it.
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8748 Posts
On December 08 2009 14:53 GreEny K wrote:
Nony, are you ready to play? Haven't heard much from you playing lately, or practicing.
i've been practicing a little bit here and there, but i'll probably play less than 20 games the rest of december, then i'll start practicing a lot in january 
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On December 08 2009 15:12 MorroW[MB] wrote:
when is 12:00 KST December 10th 2009 in CET
0400 10/12.
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On December 08 2009 15:14 Future wrote:
I do not like new ladder rules implemented in the middle of a season. Some people have had that unfair advantage for a couple weeks while others have not used it.
some people? it seems to me those advantages were there to grab for everyone, there's no unfair advantage whatsoever
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On December 08 2009 15:38 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2009 15:14 Future wrote:
I do not like new ladder rules implemented in the middle of a season. Some people have had that unfair advantage for a couple weeks while others have not used it. some people? it seems to me those advantages were there to grab for everyone, there's no unfair advantage whatsoever
Yeah but some people could of played more and taken this advantage while other people had exam week. Now that my exams finish on Thursday and will have 12~14hrs to play the ladder each day. I cannot enjoy this advantage other players like morrow have enjoyed. It just seems odd to change ladder rules that were in place after the majority of the ladder phase has been played.
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yes but these rules are pretty exclusive it would be hard to have had them all along. the last days are so important which makes it worth the time to add extra rules and ppl with nothing better to do than watching ppls gamelists all day long :>
wanna kick idra out of the tournmanet?
get a- game with him, after 2:00 /clearstats YES then exit and he gets +13 for beating a D and gg him :D
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On December 08 2009 15:49 MorroW[MB] wrote:
yes but these rules are pretty exclusive it would be hard to have had them all along. the last days are so important which makes it worth the time to add extra rules and ppl with nothing better to do than watching ppls gamelists all day long :>
wanna kick idra out of the tournmanet?
get a- game with him, after 2:00 /clearstats YES then exit and he gets +13 for beating a D and gg him :D
Yeah, I guess its not a huge deal. I was going to try it out though to inch up through the ranks, but I guess I can't anymore. T_T
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Norway28591 Posts
yea morrow you can do that with your account if you'd like
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On December 08 2009 15:52 Liquid`Drone wrote:
yea morrow you can do that with your account if you'd like
lol... Take one for the team Morrow. You will go down as a hero.
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I really like that they are willing to add in this rule in the midst of the ladder. In the scheme of things, I think the fan complaints about the quality of games at the top of the ladder are far more important than any one individuals complaint about not being able to abuse the system because of personal timing issues.
I think its great that the admins are still striving to make the end of this ladder as competitive and fair as they can given the circumstances. I'm sure it would have been better to have this as a solid rule from the beginning, but I'd rather let some people get away with it at the start w/ a more exciting finish than let everyone get away with it up until the last moment.
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On December 08 2009 15:42 Future wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2009 15:38 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On December 08 2009 15:14 Future wrote:
I do not like new ladder rules implemented in the middle of a season. Some people have had that unfair advantage for a couple weeks while others have not used it. some people? it seems to me those advantages were there to grab for everyone, there's no unfair advantage whatsoever Yeah but some people could of played more and taken this advantage while other people had exam week. Now that my exams finish on Thursday and will have 12~14hrs to play the ladder each day. I cannot enjoy this advantage other players like morrow have enjoyed. It just seems odd to change ladder rules that were in place after the majority of the ladder phase has been played.
It seems odd to complain about a self-imposed disadvantage... There is nothing unfair about the introduction of these rules. In fact the game-limiting one is appropriate for just the end of the ladder. The rank rule is more of a preventitive measure against a looming problem, not a fix for a problem in-progress. In other words, there really hasn't been much of an advantage accumulated by anyone up to this point.
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On December 08 2009 15:51 Future wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2009 15:49 MorroW[MB] wrote:
yes but these rules are pretty exclusive it would be hard to have had them all along. the last days are so important which makes it worth the time to add extra rules and ppl with nothing better to do than watching ppls gamelists all day long :>
wanna kick idra out of the tournmanet?
get a- game with him, after 2:00 /clearstats YES then exit and he gets +13 for beating a D and gg him :D Yeah, I guess its not a huge deal. I was going to try it out though to inch up through the ranks, but I guess I can't anymore. T_T
It's bad. Say you are A- and you bash C+/B- to try to rank up. All it takes is one bad game/smart cheese/smurf and you lose like 4 or more games worth of points.
And playing D's is pointless. Morrow got like 80 points from that, and it still took a decent amount of time per game. Not to mention the horrible point loss if you get unlucky and run into some random new account of a decent player and lose.
I would imagine the rule is more designed to prevent players near the border of the various tiers (48th, 24th, 12th) from bashing some newbs at the last minute to edge someone else out, or to just barely pass someone above them, without the risk of playing someone decent.
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IMO it should be a 2 rank difference... because B+ people will try to bash on B-'s in order to reach A-... and the skill gap between B+ and B- is so ginormous that it could (imo) be considered abuse
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On December 08 2009 16:22 Xeris wrote:
IMO it should be a 2 rank difference... because B+ people will try to bash on B-'s in order to reach A-... and the skill gap between B+ and B- is so ginormous that it could (imo) be considered abuse
i agree..
personally i think its lame to even try and play somone 2 ranks lower then you.. IMO
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
sounds good!
Don't let "I didn't read the rules" be an excuse please.
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noob farming hahaha, i lol'd so hard i almost fell out of my chair
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But please admins: Many people are not even reading tl.net and might not know. This
You should definitely post massive links on the iccup team page as well so that almost everyone can see it..
really ! =)
other than that: good rule !
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 08 2009 19:33 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
But please admins: Many people are not even reading tl.net and might not know. This
You should definitely post massive links on the iccup team page as well so that almost everyone can see it..
really ! =)
other than that: good rule !
NO
people playing TEAMLIQUID STAR LEAGUE should READ the RULES on TEAMLIQUID. It isn't TEAMLIQUID's job to go force idiots to read all their rules when the rules are about as available as is possible/expected for a tourney being ran from the website that has a dedicated forum with links to everything you could possibly need to know about the tourney YOU (the proverbial you) signed up for.
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good point Inc, I can see a lot of players complaining about crap like that. it's a entry-fee-free league anyway. If people want to participate competitively it should be their responsibility
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On December 08 2009 19:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2009 19:33 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
But please admins: Many people are not even reading tl.net and might not know. This
You should definitely post massive links on the iccup team page as well so that almost everyone can see it..
really ! =)
other than that: good rule ! NO people playing TEAMLIQUID STAR LEAGUE should READ the RULES on TEAMLIQUID. It isn't TEAMLIQUID's job to go force idiots to read all their rules when the rules are about as available as is possible/expected for a tourney being ran from the website that has a dedicated forum with links to everything you could possibly need to know about the tourney YOU (the proverbial you) signed up for.
I just don agree with your statement.
Even though it will be the minority their might be people who never visited tl.net and just read about TSL on iccup, gosugamers or heard it from their friends. I dont see a reason not to give out as much information as possible in various ways..
But its your opinion and I have mine.. + What i said was to LINK them to the rules on tl.net and to write it in comments on the iccup ladder page
not like '' link here ''
but like : IMPORTANT !! FOR ALL LADDER PLAYERS !!! '' link '' ect..
That was my whole point. Maybe u understand now ( not the proverbial you this time )
=)
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I understand you disagree. You've been doing that with me for a very long time now. It just so happens I'm representing accountability and responsibility and you prefer holding hands and helping the handicapped read big words.
They want to take a crack at 20k$ in prizes but cannot be bothered to read the rules on the home website for the tourney? Fuck them rofl
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I actually agree with iNc for once on something. "TSL" Teamliquid Star Leauge... teamliquid.net. Yeah.. lol
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There are people who are not using teamliquid.net
Giving them a link to all the important rules was all Im asking for.
It would be unfair to give anyone an advantage just because hes using tl.net or to word it better to give anyone disadvantages just because he's not. That all Im saying.
And especially with so much money on the line it should not matter if u are involved in the community and if u visit tl.net or not.
I was just indicating that some might not be familiar with tl.net at all and arent used to the hp and might not find all the informations needed.
No big deal..
Ive been doing what with you for a very long time now ??
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On December 08 2009 20:41 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I understand you disagree. You've been doing that with me for a very long time now. It just so happens I'm representing accountability and responsibility and you prefer holding hands and helping the handicapped read big words.
They want to take a crack at 20k$ in prizes but cannot be bothered to read the rules on the home website for the tourney? Fuck them rofl
Maybe they read the rules in the beginning, but did not anticipate that there would be an addition a few days before the ladder ends.
But I'm actually playing devils advocate here, since I agree with Inc, It should be the players responsibility what is going on.
But to spread the information as much as possible shouldn't hurt anyone and may prevent a lot of complaints afterwards, which would just mean additional work for the admins.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On December 08 2009 21:07 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Ive been doing what with you for a very long time now ??
Disagreeing with him :p
Anyway, I don't think it's too much to ask of people to keep themselves updated regarding leagues and tournaments they participate in. Obviously that is done on the organizer's site -.-
Can't hurt to make a comment on the iCCup team page saying "rule update, check it out: LINK" though.
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Carnac that was a more or less rethorical question, though..
;D
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MaGic~PhiL, in the Ansadi Starleague the rules were on ansadi.com, and SC2GG on their site, etc. I don't see why TL should go out of their way to post the rules somewhere else.
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The two rules in the OP are a nice addition. There is still some abuse that could happen, but this should help alleviate some of the drama that happened last TSL, such as when players were playing the same guy 10-15 times before the end of the ladder stage.
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On December 08 2009 19:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2009 19:33 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
But please admins: Many people are not even reading tl.net and might not know. This
You should definitely post massive links on the iccup team page as well so that almost everyone can see it..
really ! =)
other than that: good rule ! NO people playing TEAMLIQUID STAR LEAGUE should READ the RULES on TEAMLIQUID. It isn't TEAMLIQUID's job to go force idiots to read all their rules when the rules are about as available as is possible/expected for a tourney being ran from the website that has a dedicated forum with links to everything you could possibly need to know about the tourney YOU (the proverbial you) signed up for.
I think you'd be right in most cases, but I also think this is kind of a weird situation.
Usually, before you agree to participate in something or sign a contract or whatever, you read the rules ONCE and then you're done.
When you sign a contract, you don't go over the contract every day to check if new rules were magically added.
And is it realistic to expect every TSL player to sweep TL.net everyday just in case somebody changes the rules?
In this situation, I think it's perfectly reasonable to reach out a bit and make an extra effort to make players aware a rule change has happened.
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On December 08 2009 22:50 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2009 19:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On December 08 2009 19:33 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
But please admins: Many people are not even reading tl.net and might not know. This
You should definitely post massive links on the iccup team page as well so that almost everyone can see it..
really ! =)
other than that: good rule ! NO people playing TEAMLIQUID STAR LEAGUE should READ the RULES on TEAMLIQUID. It isn't TEAMLIQUID's job to go force idiots to read all their rules when the rules are about as available as is possible/expected for a tourney being ran from the website that has a dedicated forum with links to everything you could possibly need to know about the tourney YOU (the proverbial you) signed up for. I think you'd be right in most cases, but I also think this is kind of a weird situation. Usually, before you agree to participate in something or sign a contract or whatever, you read the rules ONCE and then you're done. When you sign a contract, you don't go over the contract every day to check if new rules were magically added. And is it realistic to expect every TSL player to sweep TL.net everyday just in case somebody changes the rules? In this situation, I think it's perfectly reasonable to reach out a bit and make an extra effort to make players aware a rule change has happened.
Unless I am mistaken, this rule was already pointed out at the announcement of TSL 2, and this is only a reminder. This link here is the announcement for TSL 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105717#ladder . It clearly states under the rules that,
"On the final day of the ladder, players may only play another player to a difference of three games. For example, 3-0, 4-1, 5-2, 6-3 are all acceptable last day series scores against a single player, while 4-0 is not. Once the score reaches a three game margin for either player, the players must stop playing each other."
I am quite sure this has been there all along, so this is in fact a friendly reminder to those playing about the rule. Therefore the only way you wouldn't know is if you neglected to read the rules, and never bothered to check the forum at all.
EDIT: Oh I see, you are referring to the rule restricting games against players more than two ranks below you, my mistake.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
Uhm magic phil, incontrol is a 100% correct that players should be responsible enough to read the rules on Teamliquid when they enter the tournament AND keeping up with those rules. It's little effort to go to the website to check up on the latest news/rules.
However, it would be good/handy for the players to post links but it's not a necessity. They have >3 days to check it out or hear it from other players.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On December 08 2009 22:50 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2009 19:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On December 08 2009 19:33 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
But please admins: Many people are not even reading tl.net and might not know. This
You should definitely post massive links on the iccup team page as well so that almost everyone can see it..
really ! =)
other than that: good rule ! NO people playing TEAMLIQUID STAR LEAGUE should READ the RULES on TEAMLIQUID. It isn't TEAMLIQUID's job to go force idiots to read all their rules when the rules are about as available as is possible/expected for a tourney being ran from the website that has a dedicated forum with links to everything you could possibly need to know about the tourney YOU (the proverbial you) signed up for. I think you'd be right in most cases, but I also think this is kind of a weird situation. Usually, before you agree to participate in something or sign a contract or whatever, you read the rules ONCE and then you're done. When you sign a contract, you don't go over the contract every day to check if new rules were magically added. And is it realistic to expect every TSL player to sweep TL.net everyday just in case somebody changes the rules? In this situation, I think it's perfectly reasonable to reach out a bit and make an extra effort to make players aware a rule change has happened.
Sign a contract? What? I know I'e never signed anything even resembling a contract when participating in say sports tournaments.
Anyway, Hot_Bid posted the link to the rules update in the iCCup team comments hours ago.
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Russian Federation132 Posts
you dont have to sign something. if u go into a shop and buy a coke u make a contract without signing.
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leave a bot in the TSL channel msging everyone about the rule changes.
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i like this rule, and it makes sense to implement it for the final 72 hours since it could literally come down to a few points to qualify.
I would actually take it a step further as some mentioned and make it 2 ranks lower you cannot play. B+ players who cant quite make A- (can get there but not hold it in games vs A- consistently) can still play B- players and get their A-, and then play B players from there who they can still beat regularly.
Either way this rule is good, i'm speaking from purely a spectators point of view so i just want to see the highest quality games possible, which means the best players beating the best players..i do realize the nature of the ladder system though. This seems fair
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good luck all participants!
ladder like crazyyy
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
guys stop saying "it wouldn't be so hard for TSL to do X"
NO SHIT?
Well guess who it'd be EASIER for and logically more intelligent? THE PLAYERS. TSL is already busy running .. TSL.. asking them to also hold the hands of the players who have invested interest in this league is ridiculous. "Updates you say? Well where? I never heard of them? I've just been playing this here TSL ladder and thats it!"
Bots? News post on ICCUP? Yes those things would be nice but even subtly arguing that it is somehow TSL's duty to provide those things is bullshit. This is a small matter and Magic~phil obviously has no real power but I want to nip this in the butt cause I am tired of this really strange immature logic that has found its way into just about every tourney and that is that players are big dummies who cannot and will not take care of themselves. If they choose to play the most prestigious league online and cannot bother to check the friggin rules every once in awhile then too hell with them I say?
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the angry ultralisk is right
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Now if they only solved the sock account problem 
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God-forbid I do anything that may negate confusion, complaints and some genuine misunderstandings if it breaches my PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ethic.
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Braavos36373 Posts
On December 09 2009 06:44 RoyW wrote:
God-forbid I do anything that may negate confusion, complaints and some genuine misunderstandings if it breaches my PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ethic.
We do post on our ICCup ladder page about rule changes (and link players here) -- not sure what more you expect us to do.
In a tournament without a cohesive organizational structure for contacting players (ie KeSPA simply tells the proteams, who tell their players), announcements are usually handed out in such a way. We aren't going to seek out players and phone them personally. What will happen when we post lineups and schedules for qualifiers? If the players don't ever visit TL and miss their scheduled play dates, is "you never told me" an excuse?
I don't think PL would accept "we didn't look at the schedule" as a legitimate reason if Samsung doesn't show up or something.
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Fair enough, sorry, was being an internet asshole!
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On December 08 2009 15:49 MorroW[MB] wrote:
yes but these rules are pretty exclusive it would be hard to have had them all along. the last days are so important which makes it worth the time to add extra rules and ppl with nothing better to do than watching ppls gamelists all day long :>
wanna kick idra out of the tournmanet?
get a- game with him, after 2:00 /clearstats YES then exit and he gets +13 for beating a D and gg him :D
considering they say "penalty" and not kicked out...
ya go ahead
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On December 09 2009 07:51 Return wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2009 15:49 MorroW[MB] wrote:
yes but these rules are pretty exclusive it would be hard to have had them all along. the last days are so important which makes it worth the time to add extra rules and ppl with nothing better to do than watching ppls gamelists all day long :>
wanna kick idra out of the tournmanet?
get a- game with him, after 2:00 /clearstats YES then exit and he gets +13 for beating a D and gg him :D considering they say "penalty" and not kicked out... ya go ahead
Time to go delete my A- account!
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United States42228 Posts
On December 09 2009 00:56 SkelA wrote:
Poor Kwark...
I'm pretty sure this won't effect me in any way.
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What really needs to happen is there should be a rule in place that says a certain page on TL should be checked every friday at a certain time for possible rule changes and/or announcements. That way people can run off and play 100% of their free time if they have other responsibilities.
Also, don't forget there are different timezones, languages, and holidays in other countries.
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How in the hell is Kwark ever gonna get back to A- like this?
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shut up if u have no clue
if anything Kwark made it mainly due to playing his allies and not due to playing ultra low ranks..
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On December 09 2009 03:55 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
guys stop saying "it wouldn't be so hard for TSL to do X"
NO SHIT?
Well guess who it'd be EASIER for and logically more intelligent? THE PLAYERS. TSL is already busy running .. TSL.. asking them to also hold the hands of the players who have invested interest in this league is ridiculous. "Updates you say? Well where? I never heard of them? I've just been playing this here TSL ladder and thats it!"
Bots? News post on ICCUP? Yes those things would be nice but even subtly arguing that it is somehow TSL's duty to provide those things is bullshit. This is a small matter and Magic~phil obviously has no real power but I want to nip this in the butt cause I am tired of this really strange immature logic that has found its way into just about every tourney and that is that players are big dummies who cannot and will not take care of themselves. If they choose to play the most prestigious league online and cannot bother to check the friggin rules every once in awhile then too hell with them I say?
I still think it's not the most professional thing to do.
Once they read the rules, and decided to go for it, the players are then expected to do their thing - play.
I wonder what you'd say if KeSPA banned zerglings from all pro games without notifying anyone, simply changing the fine print in their rulebook.
I know this example is exaggarating in every way (zerglings are a much bigger deal, and TSL IS in fact reaching out and informing people), but I have a feeling that if you ran the ladder, you would advocate doing absolutely nothing?
Changing rules midway is a deviation from the way almost all agreements work, and as such deserves some effort from the organizer to make all parties notified.
I just feel that because you don't like the extreme baby-feeding in some cases, you are now going for an opposite extreme which again can't be good.
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Braavos36373 Posts
On December 09 2009 22:05 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2009 03:55 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
guys stop saying "it wouldn't be so hard for TSL to do X"
NO SHIT?
Well guess who it'd be EASIER for and logically more intelligent? THE PLAYERS. TSL is already busy running .. TSL.. asking them to also hold the hands of the players who have invested interest in this league is ridiculous. "Updates you say? Well where? I never heard of them? I've just been playing this here TSL ladder and thats it!"
Bots? News post on ICCUP? Yes those things would be nice but even subtly arguing that it is somehow TSL's duty to provide those things is bullshit. This is a small matter and Magic~phil obviously has no real power but I want to nip this in the butt cause I am tired of this really strange immature logic that has found its way into just about every tourney and that is that players are big dummies who cannot and will not take care of themselves. If they choose to play the most prestigious league online and cannot bother to check the friggin rules every once in awhile then too hell with them I say? I still think it's not the most professional thing to do. Once they read the rules, and decided to go for it, the players are then expected to do their thing - play. I wonder what you'd say if KeSPA banned zerglings from all pro games without notifying anyone, simply changing the fine print in their rulebook. I know this example is exaggarating in every way (zerglings are a much bigger deal, and TSL IS in fact reaching out and informing people), but I have a feeling that if you ran the ladder, you would advocate doing absolutely nothing? Changing rules midway is a deviation from the way almost all agreements work, and as such deserves some effort from the organizer to make all parties notified. I just feel that because you don't like the extreme baby-feeding in some cases, you are now going for an opposite extreme which again can't be good.
I don't think he's advocating the opposite extreme. He's advocating what we are doing right now: posting the rule changes in this forum, which includes a thread that is updated with all of them. Also, we update in the green box at the top of the site. If players don't see it personally, one of their contacts / teammates / managers / friends will surely see it and inform them.
I think just by doing that we're fulfilling any duty of information to the players -- if KeSPA banned a particular tactic and posted news about it on the official KeSPA site (what we're doing now), I don't think any progamer could claim ignorance as a valid defense to that.
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dodging koreans shouldnt be allowed. semi-noobs getting higher then they are supposed ;-/
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On December 10 2009 07:35 CeveRR wrote:
dodging koreans shouldnt be allowed. semi-noobs getting higher then they are supposed ;-/
I can see how you thought this through very carefully.
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Playing koreans shouldnt be allowed. Its a foreigner tourney afterall ;-/
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On December 09 2009 16:46 ghermination wrote:
How in the hell is Kwark ever gonna get back to A- like this?
By beating B+ and A- players like he has previously in the tournament. Although he did say the maps were not his favorite for this week.
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Does rule #2 also apply in case of loss? White-Ra just lost 0-4 against korean toss tkfkdrudqh, will he get the points back please?
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So people are bashing on this guy because he suggested making a post on ICCup to let people know there was a rule change in the middle of the ladder? That seems like a totally reasonable suggestion to me. I can understand if you disagree, but why get so upset over it? Honestly Inc, hand holding and helping them read big words? Changing the rules in the middle of the competition is a very unusual step. In fact, it's so unusual that certain TL staff have even said in recent posts that it obviously could not happen. Now it has. You're an intelligent guy Inc, why so emotional about this issue?
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Seems this will effect me. I finally found a B+ guy with a decent amount of points to lose before he drops down to B who is really bad at ZvP (like lolbad) and I can't farm all his points. Bad times. 
Taken my 3 games I'm allowed and now I'll have to find another like him. Which isn't easy.
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