EPTFitting Questions/Discussion
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unsniped
United States241 Posts
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Dranak
United States464 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NEENJ0Q.jpg) I'm sure I'm missing something and it's a horrible/inefficient fit, so I was hoping someone could critique it. | ||
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Zavior
Finland753 Posts
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
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JJoNeEightY
United States509 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/O3czMf7.png) More damage, very slight (1k) hp loss, very slight loss of damage projection, and - most importantly - dual propulsion. Also, don't post fits for discussion with your personal skills n00b, post with all Vs! Also, hail has very limited use. If you are kind of new, as a general rule of thumb, don't shoot hail at anything unless the hull you are firing at is a size up from your weapons class (frigate guns shooting at cruisers, cruiser guns shooting at battleships, etc), and also has an explosive resist hole. | ||
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On February 02 2013 06:30 JJoNeEightY wrote: More damage, very slight (1k) hp loss, very slight loss of damage projection, and - most importantly - dual propulsion. Also, don't post fits for discussion with your personal skills n00b, post with all Vs! Also, hail has very limited use. If you are kind of new, as a general rule of thumb, don't shoot hail at anything unless the hull you are firing at is a size up from your weapons class (frigate guns shooting at cruisers, cruiser guns shooting at battleships, etc), and also has an explosive resist hole. I do like your fit better than mine, slight loss in EHP and damage projection past 30km (with barrage) for dual prop. Also, Pangell is basically all Vs so it makes no real difference! | ||
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Johnny Business
Sweden1251 Posts
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DiracMonopole
United States1555 Posts
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KwarK
United States43964 Posts
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On February 02 2013 08:50 KwarK wrote: The issue with the first stabber setup is the 1 minute 7 seconds of cap which is part of a broader issue with shield cruisers. Basically to nano you need a mwd, a long point and (fitting dependent) an invuln. These modules are intensely cap heavy for a cruiser. 1 minute 7 seconds is not, nor will ever be, enough to do what you want. Ships like the cynabal can get around these issues by having infinite fitting and going for 3x LSE or dual prop (never an invuln) but the stabber doesn't have that luxury. You really need a small cap booster to do what you're trying which fucks your fit in other ways. Basically, no. The nice thing about the Stabber is that you can use Mindflood without any of the side effects really doing anything. | ||
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Johnny Business
Sweden1251 Posts
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On February 02 2013 09:14 Johnny Business wrote: and that gives what 10 sec more cap? It's like 20 or 30 | ||
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JJoNeEightY
United States509 Posts
On February 02 2013 08:50 KwarK wrote: The issue with the first stabber setup is the 1 minute 7 seconds of cap which is part of a broader issue with shield cruisers. Basically to nano you need a mwd, a long point and (fitting dependent) an invuln. These modules are intensely cap heavy for a cruiser. 1 minute 7 seconds is not, nor will ever be, enough to do what you want. Ships like the cynabal can get around these issues by having infinite fitting and going for 3x LSE or dual prop (never an invuln) but the stabber doesn't have that luxury. You really need a small cap booster to do what you're trying which fucks your fit in other ways. Basically, no. The stabber functions well enough without a small cap booster, as long as you have trained your cap skills to 4. It requires good cap management for sure, but it is definitely quite functional/good. The omen and the caracal, on the other hand, really, really need that cap booster. | ||
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Mandini
United States1717 Posts
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On February 02 2013 10:36 Mandini wrote: I thought an invuln on a cruiser was one of the prime sins EXTERMINATUS | ||
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KwarK
United States43964 Posts
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Mandini
United States1717 Posts
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Dranak
United States464 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
oh hello | ||
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Mysticus
298 Posts
Someone make a fit that isn't embarrassing. I've been playing around with RALM fits (essentially mirrors the caracal, but has 15k more EHP and about 66% of the damage projection range and a full flight of drones) , but haven't found one I liked. | ||
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artynko
Slovakia86 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + [Corax, New Setup 1] Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I Ballistic Control System I Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Bay Loading Accelerator I [empty rig slot] | ||
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On February 05 2013 06:15 artynko wrote: Would something like this work for small buttons, I would like to be able to defend myself instead of warping away whenever I see someone, I had to add the Reactor control otherwise It was impossible to fit the last launcher, I still have 4 core and 20 cpu left but don't know what to fit into the remaining mids, small shield extender ? Or is this a shit fit regardless ? + Show Spoiler + [Corax, New Setup 1] Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I Ballistic Control System I Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Bay Loading Accelerator I [empty rig slot] First off, a Micro Auxiliary Power I will give you more grid than a RCU. You would ideally put a Medium Shield Extender in one of your mids, with the 4th mid being something like a stasis webifier. You may need to train your fitting skills (Engineering V, Electronics V, Weapon Upgrades V, and Advanced Weapon Upgrades IV) up a bit but those skills are going to be useful on any ship you will ever fly. | ||
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Mysticus
298 Posts
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jopirg
United States81 Posts
On February 05 2013 11:22 Mysticus wrote: also, don't use arbalest anything except torpedo launchers. They aren't worth the price. Rocket launchers are OK in Rens, not sure about Hek. But I'd say it has more to do with how much money you have to burn. Naturally the correct answer is just to train Tech 2 asap anyway. | ||
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artynko
Slovakia86 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
And yes for many ships t2 ammo is a big deal. Fury missiles, scorch, barrage and null are all widely used. | ||
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artynko
Slovakia86 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4217 Posts
You can kite with a thrasher. Put an afterburner (best choice is 10mn imo) and a scram on, load barrage, and kill stuff from 7k. It's a bit of a bitch to fly with a 10mn afterburner (and harder to fit), but when you get the hang of it you can do some pretty silly things with a 10mn dessie. This is something I've theorycrafted as an improvement to the 10mn thrashers I have used, but never actually tried yet. + Show Spoiler + [Thrasher, 10mn AC] Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S [Empty High slot] Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Zainou 'Gypsy' Electronics EE-603 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-703 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-903 Alternatively, you can fit a long point and Artillery, and kite to kill shit at 20k. I terrorized eve uni with this fit + Show Spoiler + [Thrasher, Arty MASB] Internal Force Field Array I Tracking Enhancer II Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50 Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S [Empty High slot] Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Zainou 'Gypsy' Electronics EE-603 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-703 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-903 | ||
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On February 07 2013 10:52 Impervious wrote: The Thrasher is an amazing ship. It has a versatile slot layout, It does a lot of damage and you get to choose your damage types, and is still pretty agile while capable of fitting a decent tank. You can kill lots of things with that ship, you just have to know how to engage them. And vs things you can't kill, you need to know how to gtfo. It is effective in both solo and in small fleet operations. It is like the swiss army knife of dessies. You can kite with a thrasher. Put an afterburner (best choice is 10mn imo) and a scram on, load barrage, and kill stuff from 7k. It's a bit of a bitch to fly with a 10mn afterburner (and harder to fit), but when you get the hang of it you can do some pretty silly things with a 10mn dessie. This is something I've theorycrafted as an improvement to the 10mn thrashers I have used, but never actually tried yet. + Show Spoiler + [Thrasher, 10mn AC] Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S [Empty High slot] Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Zainou 'Gypsy' Electronics EE-603 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-703 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-903 Alternatively, you can fit a long point and Artillery, and kite to kill shit at 20k. I terrorized eve uni with this fit + Show Spoiler + [Thrasher, Arty MASB] Internal Force Field Array I Tracking Enhancer II Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50 Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S [Empty High slot] Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Zainou 'Gypsy' Electronics EE-603 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-703 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-903 The Shield Battery corp Thrasher fit is a 100% PvE fit. | ||
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Mysticus
298 Posts
they are currently a quarter billion in deadweight (I had more than I thought). | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4217 Posts
On February 07 2013 11:22 Shootemup. wrote: The Shield Battery corp Thrasher fit is a 100% PvE fit. So give them some PvP fits for when their skills get better? That way they can actually defend themselves while making isk? | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
[Dominix, Remote Rep Damage Amp] 3x Large Energy Transfer Array II Drone Link Augmentor I 2x Large Remote Armor Repair System II 2x Omnidirectional Tracking Link II 3x Cap Recharger II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 4x Drone Damage Amplifier II 3x Large Remote Repair Augmentor I 5x Garde II 5x Warrior II 5x Hobgoblin II 5x Hornet EC-300 5x Warden II 5x Hammerhead II I just started running this in null-sec forsaken hubs with two toons. One is a T1 sentry drone version. Warp in at 20km, drop gardes, set reps and energy xfer, and set one toon to guard the other, and literally go afk for 15-20 minutes. I have two monitors, I keep one account up and use openbroadcaster to give me a preview of the second account to make sure drones are firing and no reds show up. It's literally about 90% afk. I can salvage on another toon, but while watching tv or movies I prefer the more afk play. I know you can do a lot more with different setups but 1) this is retarded cheap, and 2) afk. 2x 13-14m ticks. ~75m/hour without salving. Should go up when the T1 toon gets to T2 and the T2 toon finishes Drone Interfacing V. Any tweeks on the build would be welcome. The original build had one of the rigs be the Sentry Damage rig, but I guess it was a fifth mod, stacking with the lows. | ||
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jopirg
United States81 Posts
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On February 08 2013 16:04 jopirg wrote: Doesn't the forth DDA only add 6.5% damage due to stacking penalties? Have you thought about giving that up for a second EANM or something? If he doesn't need the tank to be able to run the sites then the 4th DDA is better since it increases his isk/hr | ||
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jopirg
United States81 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
On February 08 2013 16:48 jopirg wrote: Yeah I figured that, it just hurts me to see four of anything with stacking penalties. Ya, when I noticed that the Rig was a fifth mod, adding about 7 dps, I dropped that. But like people said, the thing is way over tanked, and well over cap stable (Blood raider neutting...). PvE is boring, and I have a decent stack to bankroll on, so I don't know how often I'll use these, but its a fun setup I guess. Considering leaving null soon too, massive fleets and TiDi get boring. | ||
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Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
I was wondering because I'm trying to fit my own coercer (read: steal the one in that thread and slightly modify it) for solo buttoning. I.E. Was thinking of this, and if it would be not too stupid to switch the EM rig for another locus for maximum pew. + Show Spoiler + [Coercer, ohsnap] Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Medium Shield Extender II Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Energy Burst Aerator I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Energy Locus Coordinator I | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On March 19 2013 00:52 Captain Mayhem wrote: When is it acceptable to ignore resist holes in your tank, and just go for extenders/plates/more gank instead? It isn't, generally. Maximizing the EHP of your ship is one of those "path of least effort" or "minimizing the gradient" things that are so common in life. A huge resist hole is an opportunity to provide a huge boost to EHP with minimal effort. Look at the Oracle fit again in pyfa with maxed siege links for your answer. /edit - To clarify, look at the Oracle fit with maxed siege links with and without an EM rig. /extra edit - Also I think dropping the heavily penalized Burst Aerator for a Metastasis Adjustor might be a better fit. ~6% less damage and 15% more tracking. | ||
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Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
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