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This thread is for discussing recent bans. Don't discuss other topics here. Take it to website feedback if you disagree with a ban or want to raise an issue. Keep it civil. NOTE: For those of you who want to find the actual ABL thread where the bans are posted. Please look in here: https://tl.net/forum/closed-threads/ | ||
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MaxField
United States2386 Posts
On June 24 2011 05:45 redFF wrote: Don't talk about icons too much or the flying monkeys will come!!!! I don't think the monkeys would ruin such an amazing thread like this one, maybe on the two pages earlier, but not all like 400 pages. Oh and chill, dannnngggg, i thought it was just me, but that is a lot of warnings and bans for not That many posts. Still glad i only have one warning, and i was a stupid thing on my part. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 24 2011 05:37 Chill wrote: Chicken lips has 9 warnings and 8 previous bans. I was trying to count them to make this post. First I came up with the strategy that I would count the bans in my head, but use my left hand fingers for the warnings. I was worried that if I tried to count them both in my head it would get confusing. Then his warnings got above 5 so I held a pencil to indicate 6. Then warning 7 I put the pencil down and tried to use my right hand while hitting the arrow keys with my elbow. It didn't work well. I'm not confident in my final count. The thing I don't understand is During MLG he got a 2 day ban and then within a few hours or so was off it again Considering all he did was make the LR threads and then post awful comments I am not sure how that one happened haha | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On June 24 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote: The thing I don't understand is During MLG he got a 2 day ban and then within a few hours or so was off it again Considering all he did was make the LR threads and then post awful comments I am not sure how that one happened haha Wasn't it due to his contributions at the time? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 24 2011 07:18 Torte de Lini wrote: Wasn't it due to his contributions at the time? Not sure I only remember him for his day 1/2 posts which were pretty bad to say the least ... He still does that picture LR thing in the GSL though which I cannot fault him on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=230086#3 ^ His post regarding getting of his ban | ||
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MaxField
United States2386 Posts
On June 24 2011 07:18 Torte de Lini wrote: Wasn't it due to his contributions at the time? What contributions did he make besides making the LR thread? During MLG all i saw was posts about how long his thread is, some stupid posts that were pure profanity, and then just spam. I might not be getting the whole story but i never saw anything that really contributed except that he made the "best LR thread ever, OMG it is soooooo long (long cat meme here)" | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 24 2011 07:22 MaxField wrote: What contributions did he make besides making the LR thread? During MLG all i saw was posts about how long his thread is, some stupid posts that were pure profanity, and then just spam. I might not be getting the whole story but i never saw anything that really contributed except that he made the "best LR thread ever, OMG it is soooooo long (long cat meme here)" I think I've also seen a bunch of balance whining from him in LR threads. Could be mistaken though. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Don't quote me on that, that's my guess. | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On June 24 2011 07:20 IRaider wrote: Complexity is a joke overrated players: Huk Jinro Haypro Cruncher MC the whole complexity team is a bunch of cheesers they suck and it is a wonder they call themselves play. in the real world anyone that is as bad at their job as they are ^^^ or the teamliquid staff would be fired *Edit : Well played Nyovne...well played. | ||
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MaxField
United States2386 Posts
On June 24 2011 07:32 Kurr wrote: We should play a game; find the next post to be banned. My candidate : Wow i think you are going to win this game, I don't even understand this guys point, let alone how much of a jerk he is being. Does he really Think HuK is overrated after winning DreamHack, and MC after non-stop winning. Some people... | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 24 2011 07:28 Torte de Lini wrote: I think he was updating the first post constantly, answering a lot of questions (where most of us just referenced the first post). Don't quote me on that, that's my guess. Well he did keep the First post updated Ill give him that ( Coming from someone who bombards Live report OPs to death with PMs with my live reports ) | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On June 23 2011 05:06 StarCraft64 wrote: Look forward to seeing which post got him banned when the search updates. I thought it would be his nonsense in the SotG thread, but that doesn't seem to be it. I'm kinda sad about that one. While Rabiator is the person I think I personally disagree the most with - he is one who normally has a good/educated opinion and is able to articulate it. Contrary to a lot of other posters :/ But iirc he has quite a lot of warnings/temps so I'd say the banlength is justified. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On June 24 2011 07:32 Kurr wrote: We should play a game; find the next post to be banned. My candidate : *Edit : Well played Nyovne...well played. I really hate the threads like that Destiny thread that attracts so many new, terrible posters to TL. I just scanned the last few pages and it was filled with people who registered just to post in that thread. I've seen a few threads like that, mostly regarding some streamer drama like the BigT one, and I wonder why the mods aren't much stricter to those type of posters. I really feel like a 2 day ban for a new poster on a thread like that, for example, should be upgraded to a week or two or maybe even perm. | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
I don't really feel like temporary bans do anything to solidify the importance of heeding the cardinal rules, at least for these posters who think they can post on TL like they do on GameFAQs or the Battle.net forums. If I were in charge of administrative policy, I would issue auto-perms for any offense committed by these single-digit posters. They'd be welcome to reregister once they read the goddamn rules and understand what is permitted on TeamLiquid. Then again, maybe it's a good thing I'm not dictating policy here. -_- | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Maybe, if fate decides to be quite lucky, a few of the kinds of people you're referring to will grow into good posters. (But yeah, I hate it when threads like that are made too. It's not the threads fault, it's the followers. But that's the way it goes. You can't tell idra to tell his fans to settle down. The same thing applies to destiny.) | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On June 24 2011 09:10 Probe1 wrote: Don't use a gun to stop fists; don't drop a bomb to stop a gun. If you express authoritarianism only worse things will crawl from under your fist. Give them a 2 day ban and most of them will either be banned within the month or never post here again. Maybe, if fate decides to be quite lucky, a few of the kinds of people you're referring to will grow into good posters. Would you care to elaborate on what "worse things" would emerge from such a strict administrative policy? I feel that weeding out those who don't even bother to read the basic rules of a website is beneficial to the site as a whole. Yes, some potentially good posters would be caught in the crossfire, but if they were truly responsible, they would have read said rules, and if they did read them but didn't understand some nuance or technicality, it's expected that their question is clarified before continuing onward, either on IRC or a staff PM or whatever. I disagree with your suppression analogy. It may be using a gun to stop fists, but those fists should never have been raised in the first place, and the gun is used for the betterment of the user (i.e., the website). But really, I see this as exterminating a plague before it infects the site. Yes, site registration will decline slightly if such a policy were carried out, and TL will develop a bit of a bad reputation on GG.net and Reddit and shit as dictatorial or whatever, but you know something? I'd rather be a member of the Big Bad TeamLiquid that doesn't care about you and will sell your mother off to slavery given the chance, than a member of some Internet cesspool elsewhere in cyberspace. Because when you get down to it, TeamLiquid doesn't ask a lot, it really doesn't. Ten simple all-encompassing rules (and two aren't even rules), a few more for the Strategy forums, and a bit of common sense all around. There's really no excuse for being unable or unwilling to read and obey said rules, and if you try to make an excuse, there's no need to take you seriously, because it'll be obvious that it's the burden of the poster to post up to standards consistent with the site. So, I'm genuinely interested. Why would it be worse to the site as a whole? The bad posters will be weeded out (save for the iconic bad posters like CharlieMurphy/SpoR and Fanatacist* that we keep around because they're adorable), the good posters will thrive, the burden of moderation will be lessened somewhat, and the overall quality of the site will improve, all at the low cost of being seen as overly authoritarian by people who got banned from here for not being up to snuff. What's not to love? *It's a shame Fana got banned a second time. I liked him.  | ||
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MaxField
United States2386 Posts
On the other hand, if they do make a stupid first post, but want to be a part of the community, they will have received a 2 week timeout, which should easily be enough time for a poster like this to learn what is expected at a website like this. To be honest, i had no idea what i was doing when i first signed up for TL. I thought it was just some little website that had SC2 streams. I really did not know how great of a community it was, how the moderation worked, or really anything. I am glad i learned fast and have hopefully been able to be a quality member here. EDIT: I saw this thread, posted in it, and i thought he would have understood what i was trying to say. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236729#2 Then i found this in the closed thread thread. Turns out he made the same thinn in the strat section, or at least i assume. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236754 | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
My thoughts, again poorly detailed, were thinking about the long term effect on TL, and solely related to perma bans. 2 days-1 week seems a sufficient response for anyone that decided not to read the rules (Or, when I registered, missed them [stupid excuse, but honest]). If they don't read the commandments in that time they are banned, come back and post some effortless martyr or flame post and get banned permanently, I think the current system worked. Some people get a second chance and blow it, most people either lose interest in TL or clean up and become community members. Simply put however, if new users that didn't immediately acclimate to Team Liquid were turned away because of one or five back to back shit posts, Team Liquid would suffer more than slightly. As far as I have experienced, the only people that bash TL are PBU's. I can't recall talking to anyone that had merited arguments over how TL operates that didn't have a banned account. I'm at a incredibly weak position to debate the issue of restriction of power if I'm to make it in reference to Team Liquid. I honestly think this site is run fantastically and the constant tide of temp bans from new users reminds me to try to create a quality post, always. It is my own personal morals that my argument comes from. I used that disposable cliche analogy to try to convey it quickly in a effortless and digestible line so I wouldn't have to qualify a simple statement with several paragraphs detailing why I fear the overuse or unrestricted use of power. But maybe, on further reflection, I am incorrect in how I approach this exact issue. Temporary bans may not have an effect on someone that registers just to say [racial slur/destiny is best/inb4] crap. I don't want a new or 500< poster that just didn't know better yet to get caught up and banned or temp banned severely enough to lose interest in TL. That won't change. But maybe, stricter bans for really bad posts, especially by newer users, is warranted. Of course, perma ban any dipshit that registers just to troll or post one incredibly bad line. But in that same instance, if a user registered and immediately posted an inflammatory or argumentative opinion I don't think a warning should be increased to a temp ban or temp increased to a perma. The summary of my thought? Mods should use their discretion and treat cases individually. I want TL to remain as is in most facets of moderation. To increase the amount of bans would have deleterious effects on the amount of content and discussion. Though, I am of a complicated mind. I think the strategy forum still needs much stricter moderation. One chance, no warning- it is still out of hand and the amount of shit posts and threads need to be culled. So to conclude, it is completely reasonable and understood to read your thoughts on the issue. I would rather let things break before they are fixed, though preventing them altogether could be wiser, even if the consequences of prevention could have unforeseeable repercussions. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On June 24 2011 09:49 MaxField wrote: I saw this thread, posted in it, and i thought he would have understood what i was trying to say. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236729#2 Then i found this in the closed thread thread. Turns out he made the same thinn in the strat section, or at least i assume. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236754 Look what I get for not reading a thread all the way through before anything else. I clicked on the first link and immediately recalled that user opening up an identical thread that was closed. Then I found it, copied the link and finally jumping back to your post realized you had found that piece of evidence already :\ Me thinks iiAreJordan did not read the rules of team liquid and I might want to reconsider how strenuously I would defend him in front of Aeres. | ||
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