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On September 20 2010 02:56 Pokebunny wrote: We should probably hold off on a bigger tournament until winter break, anytime before that you are making people pretty much commit to an ENTIRE weekend which is a lot of time + money.
That will be awsome, great ideal.
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I'd be all for splitting the tourney into two days, with one being a group stage day and the other being a final tourney day. The only real problem would be getting people to clear TWO days on their schedule, though.
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On September 20 2010 03:00 btway wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 02:56 Pokebunny wrote: We should probably hold off on a bigger tournament until winter break, anytime before that you are making people pretty much commit to an ENTIRE weekend which is a lot of time + money. Of course. Let's try not to fail school too miserably  Yea we could have like a big tourney (5$ buyin or something for a pretty damn large prizepool) over a couple days on winter break (hopefully not while I'm in minnesota :D). I'd be up for a 1-2$ buyin for a 1 day tour though.
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On September 19 2010 15:59 thesickest1 wrote: thanks to the people that arent getting emotional" " zow : goobus : pet[uk] " " first i would like to say my girls card did get declined :2nd I left most of my cash at my house and like all girls they bring there purses everywhere. also, we did leave 20$ on the table, my girl and i figured the least we could do was tip the waitress. thank you everyone else for actually realizing i wasn't intentionally trying to interfere with your bill. i was under the impression that they weren't aware that we even knew each other.i will pay you guys back, moneys not an issue. no hard feelings im sorry again to those who chipped in and aren't being inconsiderate.
I'm not trying to be an ass. But think about it. You'd be pissed too if you were in our situation. I can get over the money, but the fact is you made us all look like a bunch of douchebags in front of everyone in the restaurant. Its exactly as goobus and blixy said, the fact you didn't say ANYTHING to the rest of us and just left is the problem, which is the reason I have a hard time believing you.
This also adds in the problem of people being weary during future meetups. We've had 8+ meetups so far, and nothing like this has happened before yesterday. Like it or not your group has indirectly ruined many of the future meetups. There's always going to be that lingering bitterness about this one time, even for people who weren't there. To quote chill on the whole DC issue:
Team Liquid prides itself on having a strong, mature community. As we continue to grow in numbers, this tight-knit community is something we will fight to preserve. Believe it or not, saying you are a Team Liquid member carries weight in the RTS community across the world. I've witnessed it first hand.
There's a certain level of trust we give to people who show up to these, based solely on the fact that you are a TL member. People are expected to be mature and honest, and that's why meeting up with a bunch of nerds from the internet you don't even know can work out so well. Everyone trusts each other not to be an asshole.
I'm not saying you 100% intentionally walked out without paying and leaving it to the rest of us, but again, the normal reaction would be to actually SAY SOMETHING instead of just leaving. It just looks really shady the way you did it. Either way, I hope this all gets sorted out and that you weren't lying, for the sake of future meetups.
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i wasnt there, i dont kno how this all went down but i think itd be best if zeratul/james just pays everyone back
as for whats been said and the implications made about ppl's character is for u guys to deal with
he seemed like a perfectly nice guy at the event cola was matched up against both james and phil, and states they were both cool james was extremely cooperative the whole time
he was NOT mia for any of his matches, i gave him permission to leave and get lunch at one point because his first round match was super long and he was behind in matches so i had to have him play his second round match during everyones lunch break meaning he didnt have a lunch break so to not let him go would be effed up
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LOL he left without saying anything about it? That throws the whole honesty thing out the window imo. I would just avoid doing anything with this person instead of taking it out as image on TL.
When i attend blizzcon 09 I went to the meet-up at the convention center..Let me put it like this there was alot of money spent by some people there, for people they did not even know. Such great place to attend with a bunch of people who care about other people and having the same hobby.
I must say that was the first time I ever went to a meet-up dealing with TL. It was fun with a lot of boos also :D
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next event will likely be a LAN PARTY revolving around mingling and just hanging out, and then a separate event will be another tourney, whether or not thats how its gonna turn out is still unknown
time wise it will be during winter break when ppl generally have off
the tourney was a Bo1 because it was expected to be 20ish ppl and a one day event, we had absolutely no idea 50 ppl were gonna show up thats partially why the next events should be split between a lan party and a tournament, one small event and then a large tournament
as for a larger tournament with a large prize pool we are looking at a two or more day event given the current venue with a prize pool at stake, single elim would not be fair more details will be provided when the time comes
as for this past event, it was run the way it was for the sake of organization
we played it out round by round because there simply arent enough computers to support all the matches there were other customers playing other games since we did not reserve the whole place, only a small section i am sure most of u heard me calling out for open computers so tournament matches could be played
i tried to have as many matches played at a time to keep things moving the fact that it ended at roughly the same time as lan7, despite there being over twice as many ppl this time, shows it wasnt too poorly played out
i have been to dozens of tournaments and i do the best with the information i have
This is why it is freakin important to have a guest list and that ppl actually sign up on it chances are, for next tournament, if there is a prize pool, all participants will have to sign up and anyone who doesnt sign up on the designated list will not be allow to participate
btway (NOT ME) let a ton of ppl slide with sign ups for the tournament, if a large prize is at stake, the rules will be extremely strict and enforced at all times because it would be unfair to everyone who bothered to show up on time to have to wait for you
there was a 30min grace period this time, dont expect more than maybe 10 if we run it like an official tournament
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Look guys... I was pissed the food was bad and I was paying 30 dollars for me my girlfriend, and my brother. Her card did get declined and I did leave money on the table. Inconsiderate was the wrong word, I just hoped people would be more understanding. I had no idea that you guys were gonna get stuck with my tab. We were sitting at a seperate table entirely, had I known you would get screwed I obviously would've said something to you, and worked something out. That being said, I apologize to everyone that had to deal with my shit, and thank you for doing so. i'll chip in extra for the next after tourney dinner. Maybe I'll take it easier on you guys in our next match . Anyway I hope this situation is deaded... finally
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Had a blast. Big turnout. Thanks to btway+certified for the organization and keeping it all together.
I'm glad we had a ZvT finals, though it would've likely been TvT if Pokebunny stayed. I rooted for the underdog Zeroes, but Nesh pulled out some fancy (mind) tricks and all around awesome play. I had the chance to personally get crushed by Nesh after the buffet too, which was fun. Good stuff. GL to Nesh in MLG!
Regarding the whole unpaid dinner bill:
Honestly as I left the LAN last night I felt like I had been done. I watched scenarios like this go down on The Real Hustle but I wouldn't even consider it with the TL crowd. I did not expect to see or hear from James, his brother and girlfriend again.
However, because you responded here, I'm giving you some benefit of the doubt. From your first response, I gathered you were trying to save face from not having money and assuming the restaurant regarded your table as a separate party (a careless assumption if so). There was no $20, and if there was, we didn't see any of it. I think the general consensus is that if you had actually told us of your situation instead of swindling the restaurant and leaving without a word, there would be no misunderstanding - and as a conglomerate I'm certain we would have figured out a way to spot you guys.
You seemed to be a good person at the tournament. At this point, I think it would be best if you took the responsibility of returning the money that you owe to the people who voluntarily or involuntarily footed the bill for you.
edit: tldr: No hard feelings, make it up next time.
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just throwing the idea out there and if its not making any sense please just ignore.
but what about an online tourney in the near future with only people from NY. Still a lot to organize with an online tourney but at least we wouldn't run out of space and computers.
Just a thought... since a lot of you guys are hanging out and playing together on bnet anyway.
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It was hard reading through this particular page of the thread for several reasons.
I'm sorry I let people participate in the tournament?
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On September 20 2010 06:05 btway wrote: It was hard reading through this particular page of the thread for several reasons.
I'm sorry I let people participate in the tournament?
lol i meant ur the nice one whos kind enough to let ppl play even tho they were late
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On September 20 2010 06:05 btway wrote: It was hard reading through this particular page of the thread for several reasons.
I'm sorry I let people participate in the tournament? Nah nobody's blaming you for anything... it was not a serious tournament with a big prize pool so being nice was the right thing... although for future tournaments if they are more serious then we'll have to do it how Certified has laid out.
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Lol this is kinda superfluous, lets just squash this, hopefully he pays us back, and thats that. Great tourney guys
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On September 20 2010 04:45 thesickest1 wrote:Look guys... I was pissed the food was bad and I was paying 30 dollars for me my girlfriend, and my brother. Her card did get declined and I did leave money on the table. Inconsiderate was the wrong word, I just hoped people would be more understanding. I had no idea that you guys were gonna get stuck with my tab. We were sitting at a seperate table entirely, had I known you would get screwed I obviously would've said something to you, and worked something out. That being said, I apologize to everyone that had to deal with my shit, and thank you for doing so. i'll chip in extra for the next after tourney dinner. Maybe I'll take it easier on you guys in our next match  . Anyway I hope this situation is deaded... finally Okay. I want us to figure out exactly who helped cover you rather than ('a bunch of us'). Someone pm me with that information if you can...
For those who owe money: I think it's very important to settle this as best we can before the next dinner/etc. Otherwise it will be too confusing (if people who lent money want to agree to exchange cash at the next meetup or whatever then that's up to them... but it should be planned ahead of time). Once this is taken care of there will be no hard feelings.
Most of all, it goes without saying that there will be no attempts to screw over restaurants! If you have some kind of a problem the best thing is always to just let us know. We will all try to help each other out. This would have been a non-issue if there was proper communication.
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AFAIK, these are the people who are owed money:
+ Show Spoiler + left to right: Pikkle, ?, Goobus, Pet[uk], SystemA, bumatlarge left to right: Nesh, Blixy, CSheep, Phelix, ZoW; Not pictured: Kibibit
Which would make 12 people, which if I remember correctly, was the number of people left at the end to foot the bill.
Sorry I don't know everyone's names, please post who you are lol.
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Pic #1 far right is bumatlarge i believe
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far left is Pikkle
next to him was a spectator so i dont have any info on him
far right is BumAtLarge
to the right of systemA is PeT[uK]
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I'm the guy on the left in the top picture at the end of the table. Guy sitting across from me is Pet[UK]
Know the names of the guys at my table but don't know their handles =\
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the guy in the black metroid shirt is eric i think i have his fb info
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