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jarrydesque
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Zaros
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Vaftrudner
Sweden1185 Posts
It's easy for straight, cisgendered people to overlook the fact that gender and sex are separate, and also, equally important, sexuality and gender are separate. For most people, these line up. The vast majority are heterosexual male-bodied males or heterosexual female-bodied females, which makes it neat and simple. Men fuck women, women fuck men. When men start fucking men or women start fucking women, this creates an error in our binary division. How are we support to handle this information? The easiest way, and a common way in history, is to assume that gay men are "kind of" women, and vice versa for gay women. I think that this is the origin of the lispy, feminine gay man and the butch lesbian. These are easier stereotypes to digest and accept because they don't mess with our ideas of gender too much. Here's the thing though - male-to-female transvestites are not necessarily gay. All dragkings are not lesbians. Not all gay people behave in a way that is easy to classify and thus non-threatening. Sexuality can change over a lifetime, and gender identity can develop in different directions. If you are aware of this and accept this, you should have no problem interacting with transgendered people. Just treat them like people. If you find yourself confused and uncomfortable, the problem is probably with you. Take a look at what you expect from people and how you treat people of different genders and orientations. When I was a teenager, I actually hated gay men, part of it because I grew up in an environment where it was expected, part of it because they scared the shit out of me since somewhere in the back of my head I was already aware that I was bisexual and that is really, really scary for a kid. In my environment, I was also supposed to treat men and women differently because "obviously" they were different. When I was able to accept my own sexuality and feel secure in who I was, I found myself treating men and women equally and simply not giving a fuck about who or what someone wanted to fuck and be or what was between their legs. It took a lot of personal work though. And if you're curious around a transperson, just ask. Asking them and trying to understand is showing a lot more respect than society usually gives them. | ||
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RaspberrySC2
United States168 Posts
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Vaftrudner
Sweden1185 Posts
On July 07 2012 07:02 RaspberrySC2 wrote: I'm a mean transsexual because I don't like talking about my transsexual status. As such, I avoid most everyone (especially other trans people). If I'm being asked questions, I don't feel like I'm being accepted and treated with respect as another human being (how many people do *you* ask about their genitals?). If other people are having problems wrapping their head around concepts, they can go read some books. It's not my problem and I don't appreciate being expected to educate them all the time (I just want to get a cup of coffee so please, for the love of fuck, take me for granted as just another boring person who isn't interesting). I didn't mean someone asking "Yo, got a dick?" in a coffee shop, I mean if there is someone you actually find interesting and want to hang around with, don't be afraid to ask what gender means to them. But I get that it's extremely tiring. People don't learn this stuff in school and they certainly don't learn it at home so it's a pretty fucked up world where you either have to be a spokesperson or a recluse, you can never just be a person. I'm fortunate enough to live in a country where marriage is gender neutral and feminism has had an impact on society, but there's still a ton to do for trans-people who are very overlooked by policy makers and even the LGBT groups, and I still encounter so much misinformation when it comes to gender and sexuality because mainstream society seems happy with some stupid stereotypes reinforced by media. I can't imagine what it's like being a trans-person in a country with as many social conservatives as the US. | ||
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RaspberrySC2
United States168 Posts
On July 07 2012 07:27 Vaftrudner wrote: I didn't mean someone asking "Yo, got a dick?" in a coffee shop, I mean if there is someone you actually find interesting and want to hang around with, don't be afraid to ask what gender means to them. But I get that it's extremely tiring. People don't learn this stuff in school and they certainly don't learn it at home so it's a pretty fucked up world where you either have to be a spokesperson or a recluse, you can never just be a person. I'm fortunate enough to live in a country where marriage is gender neutral and feminism has had an impact on society, but there's still a ton to do for trans-people who are very overlooked by policy makers and even the LGBT groups, and I still encounter so much misinformation when it comes to gender and sexuality because mainstream society seems happy with some stupid stereotypes reinforced by media. I can't imagine what it's like being a trans-person in a country with as many social conservatives as the US. It's cool. Swedes sound a lot cooler than USers if you're to be used as a representative. Here in Texas, I get approached by strangers who need to ask me "do you still have your penis?" I've always lived in the Baptist south. I'm pretty much a hermit now. I understand that people are curious and whatnot. I've just lost my patience and I got a lot to be mad about. I stick with the close friends that I've had for years and I'll hang out with their intelligent friends. There's places for me to go where I can feel like I fit in. Funnily enough, they aren't GLBT places. | ||
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Vaftrudner
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On July 07 2012 07:53 RaspberrySC2 wrote: It's cool. Swedes sound a lot cooler than USers if you're to be used as a representative. Here in Texas, I get approached by strangers who need to ask me "do you still have your penis?" I've always lived in the Baptist south. I'm pretty much a hermit now. I understand that people are curious and whatnot. I've just lost my patience and I got a lot to be mad about. I stick with the close friends that I've had for years and I'll hang out with their intelligent friends. There's places for me to go where I can feel like I fit in. Funnily enough, they aren't GLBT places. tbh, I don't feel any safer in LGBT groups than I do in society in general. Some of the most transphobic things I've heard have come from the gay and lesbian community. Sometimes it feels like a hierarchy of acceptance where we are at the bottom. | ||
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babylon
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On July 07 2012 07:53 RaspberrySC2 wrote: It's cool. Swedes sound a lot cooler than USers if you're to be used as a representative. Here in Texas, I get approached by strangers who need to ask me "do you still have your penis?" I've always lived in the Baptist south. I'm pretty much a hermit now. I understand that people are curious and whatnot. I've just lost my patience and I got a lot to be mad about. I stick with the close friends that I've had for years and I'll hang out with their intelligent friends. There's places for me to go where I can feel like I fit in. Funnily enough, they aren't GLBT places. I don't think that's too uncommon. There are quite a few LGBTQ folk who decide not to congregate in LGBTQ spaces for whatever reason. (For myself, it's because when you're in that "safe place" there tends to be an overemphasis on what makes you different from the "normal people," which I really don't care to be reminded about. Others like that safe place, which is fine, but different strokes, etc.) Not to mention, some "LGBTQ" circles are still quite transphobic, which makes them decidedly ... not "safe places." | ||
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Silverfoxx
United States184 Posts
On July 07 2012 15:15 fusionsdf wrote: tbh, I don't feel any safer in LGBT groups than I do in society in general. Some of the most transphobic things I've heard have come from the gay and lesbian community. Sometimes it feels like a hierarchy of acceptance where we are at the bottom. Honestly, I can't imagine what being trans in some places that are supposed to be safe and accepting is like. the LGBTA on my old campus I went to for a bit and left because I felt as if though I, and here's a silly thing to say, wasn't gay enough. Like if I didn't make the same sex jokes or obvious mannerisms others did than I wasn't really a part of the crew there. Saying they are a safe place for everyone to include straight cisgendered, transgendered, genderqueer or anything else individuals and actually create an environment that welcomes them is two different things. That being said, after a guy at a gay bar asked me when I was finally going to switch sides and be gay (Which I already am.), I'm just curious how many people in my old LGBTA thought I was straight there too and if that's the reason I felt so odd and ostracized. | ||
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Vaftrudner
Sweden1185 Posts
On the other hand, gay culture can be fun, and the fact that it can exist and thrive at all is positive. And of course it's a refuge for people who couldn't cope without it. It's a new culture and I do believe that it has the potential to grow and mature. But personally, I mostly stay out of the LGBTQ scene, except for the academical and political side of it, and I hope that it won't be relevant at all one day, when people are just people and don't have to seek out other queer folk to feel somewhat accepted. | ||
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Joblesso
United States76 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/kainjinn#/w/3381947424 PS - He's a huge bieb fan! | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On July 07 2012 19:23 Vaftrudner wrote: I'm torn on gay culture. On the one hand, people don't learn and grow from how they've been treated, they just reproduce it. Put any number of people with some commonality in a small secluded group and they will turn into the same judgmental, narrow-minded dicks as anyone else. This is a theme I've found in a lot of gay culture, not ALL of it of course, but in many places, you either conform to their idea of gayness or you're weird and out of place. It's depressing to see people who should be liberated be put into new boxes. You're a top or bottom. You're butch or femme. Hey you there, you're a bear! Here, have a ton new stereotypes so you don't have to develop your own identity! Fuck breaking gender stereotypes, we'll make new ones instead and force them on you! On the other hand, gay culture can be fun, and the fact that it can exist and thrive at all is positive. And of course it's a refuge for people who couldn't cope without it. It's a new culture and I do believe that it has the potential to grow and mature. But personally, I mostly stay out of the LGBTQ scene, except for the academical and political side of it, and I hope that it won't be relevant at all one day, when people are just people and don't have to seek out other queer folk to feel somewhat accepted. Bluntly, the fact that a gay dude goes out wanting dick means there will always be a need for a gay scene. | ||
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Vaftrudner
Sweden1185 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Vaftrudner
Sweden1185 Posts
On July 07 2012 23:34 marvellosity wrote: I would imagine in most western countries at least that gay bars and gay 'subculture' are going to be fairly linked This might be a surprise, but LGBT people don't spend all their waking hours hunting for sex... That's a very simplistic way to look at it and ignores how gender and sexuality interplay with identity and social behaviour. I'm a bisexual man who has only been to a few gay bars in my life. I don't hang out much in straight bars neither. I'm not that interested in casual sex, and if there's a guy or girl I'm interested in, it's mostly someone I've met at work, school, parties etc. However, I've been to plenty of groups, communities and organisations centred around LGBT issues. The gay in the gay bar may be true for some people, but it's mostly a stereotype. | ||
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Josketh
United States155 Posts
I think it was similar to how all the white people thought that black men were going to rape their daughters and such back in the day. | ||
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jarrydesque
584 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:04 Josketh wrote: I don't think gay people are anymore sexually active than heterosexuals. I think because they are gay it's payed attention to a bit harder because of the "moral" argument about homosexuality. I think it was similar to how all the white people thought that black men were going to rape their daughters and such back in the day. Also, if you think about just being guys and girls, guys are usually more open about their sexual exploits than girls. | ||
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Smat
United States301 Posts
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