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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Fleuria
England466 Posts
On July 02 2012 21:20 marvellosity wrote: Fleuria, don't respond to such people ^_^ Just stating an opinion that he would be quite an easy person to control as he seems quite submissive. | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
![]() One of my closest gamingfriends is gay, shes allways in for a good trolling towards other female gamers on teamspeak n such. | ||
Josketh
United States155 Posts
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
Comment: For those who will never blend in, we will always need Pride Sorry to disagree with Christopher, but it’s not over yet and I’m not sure it will ever be. The politics of difference, power and oppression are here to stay: being white, heterosexual, able, middle-class, Christian and masculine is still the cultural golden standard, and anyone deviating from this script is still often ostracised or attacked. Look around you: women, disabled people, Muslims, black people… there’s 10 bullies for every one of them. Can’t they just stop being so different, as you suggest? Can’t they be this white, able, middle-class Christian normal guy? http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/07/02/comment-for-those-who-will-never-blend-in-we-will-always-need-pride/ On “Passing” I hate the term “passing.” It’s used as a euphemism for death: “All were saddened at his passing.” I’m told I should be happy about “passing.” When used to refer to trans people, “passing” is defined as being accepted by others as a member of one’s identified sex, on the basis of appearance, mannerism and voice. Ever since my voice changed and my facial hair came in, I’ve been congratulated by others (both cis and trans) for being able to “pass,” despite my height and frame (I’m a mighty 5’2”). I’m told that I “pass pretty well” as a man. It always makes me very uncomfortable. I’ve listened to so many trans people express huge amounts of anxiety about not being able to “pass,” and I empathize utterly with their fears. People who are obviously trans–especially those who are perceived as “men trying to be women” by the transphobic–often face virulent bigotry. People stop and point and stare when we walk down the street in middle America; adults pull their children away from us; insecure, hypermasculine types jump us; hysterical people call the cops on us when we use a public restroom. In much of the country, people who are obviously trans face being fired from their jobs and often find themselves being treated as criminal suspects by the police. It’s scary stuff, and who would not want to take a pass on that? http://www.transadvocate.com/on-passing.htm I'd like hear what you guys think, even if you just like them or if they enlightened you in anyway. They are kinda both on the theme of "not fitting in" something which I think alot of LGBT people have likely experienced. | ||
Zer atai
United States691 Posts
On July 02 2012 21:33 marvellosity wrote: Yes, but we can counter-troll the trolls all day, just let him get banned as he now is :D Such trolls also bump the thread up. So it forces other homophobes to continue to see this thread on TL Community | ||
Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Josketh
United States155 Posts
I used to be a youth leader and during that time, I met very devout Christian children who were as understanding as they could be when it came to people. It was really inspiring to see these young people actually facing the world with as much love as they could humanly give. Unfortunately, age has a way of jading things. These kids, now high school teens and graduates, still are extremely tolerant and curious. However, you can see signs of gender roles affecting them. Boys are doing bigger and badder things while the girls learn to play stupid and bubbly, etc. I think that, somehow, these young people are beginning to step in the right direction. Something is making them get a bit lost but the effort and potential is there. I believe that each new generation has the potential to completely surpass the previous generations by leaps and bounds. What they need is nurturing guidence and the whole of education we, as elders, have accessed. To teach love, understanding, acceptance, and life would be a sutle act of revolution that would benefit the world more than anything. Easier said than done, though. I'll do my best to play my part but it is a collective effort. | ||
Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
The thing the author seems to forget is that people who want to pass get that kind of abuse as a symptom of not passing sure but it's certainly not the biggest issue. No one wants to be trans and GID sucks and when you compound that with not passing and innocent mistakes from people who just thought you were your birth-assigned gender it is far more depressing than all the abuse from malicious strangers. I imagine there aren't many trans people on the planet who wouldn't, given the choice, transform their body to what it should be like were they born in a gender correct body because that's exactly why GID is an issue, and it's also why trans pride is something a little more tricky. Even those who pass every day I imagine would take that opportunity. Sure passing also means you get to skip the crap from random members of the public but no one transitions to be trans. It's a means to an end, and the current best end is just fitting in as who you are - passing. | ||
Kerotan
England2109 Posts
On July 03 2012 21:56 Iyerbeth wrote: On Passing: The thing the author seems to forget is that people who want to pass get that kind of abuse as a symptom of not passing sure but it's certainly not the biggest issue. No one wants to be trans and GID sucks and when you compound that with not passing and innocent mistakes from people who just thought you were your birth-assigned gender it is far more depressing than all the abuse from malicious strangers. I imagine there aren't many trans people on the planet who wouldn't, given the choice, transform their body to what it should be like were they born in a gender correct body because that's exactly why GID is an issue, and it's also why trans pride is something a little more tricky. Even those who pass every day I imagine would take that opportunity. Sure passing also means you get to skip the crap from random members of the public but no one transitions to be trans. It's a means to an end, and the current best end is just fitting in as who you are - passing. Yeah I'd agree with this, but one of the crux's of the author's argument was about trans people who can "pass" being averse to hanging around with trans people who for whatever reason cannot. So while the author did not actively rail on "going stealth" as a bad thing, since as you say this is really the goal of all trans people, the author did rail on trans people who would laugh at transphobic jokes in an attempt to fit in. So yeah no one transitions to be trans, and in an ideal world we could all just take a pill and be cisgender and our desired sex, but to paraphrase a certain comic: "But she isn't being realistic, she is creating whole other worlds to live in" I think the author was trying to advocate for a "do no harm" approach to passing (quite a simple angle really), passing as not a bad thing, as long as you don't do it at the expense of others. Edit- Hmms I have a sinking feeling I'm talking out my arse. | ||
Silverfoxx
United States184 Posts
somebody saying basically "I found a transsexual streamer" then linked their stream and said "It looks like a girl. but it's a guy! is it cuter than I am?" And I felt kinda... off. Not because I heard someone being blatantly ignorant, but because I didn't say a word in response to her telling her she was not an 'it'. So... I dunno. I apologize here for not making the world a better place. Also, it's a story and this thread's on page two. | ||
Smat
United States301 Posts
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drshdwpuppet
United States332 Posts
On July 05 2012 13:53 Smat wrote: I feel so sorry for trans-people. The amount of shit they go through is just astounding. At the same time it amazes me how they just ignore the world around them and strive to make themselves happy, that quality is so attractive and leads me to believe that trans-people are some of the most interesting people you can meet. One of the best people I have ever known was a FtM trans. He tried so hard to be true to himself and be kind to everyone around him. I actually had a bit of a crush on him and wish I had at least pursued it for one date or something. He was full of stories about how supportive some people were and unsupportive others and of how he learned to deal with his emotions and such because of the androgens he was taking. Really inspirational, but also so down to earth because at the end of the day, he just wanted everyone to be comfortable around him and treat him for what he was, a normal kid. | ||
Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On July 05 2012 13:53 Smat wrote: I feel so sorry for trans-people. The amount of shit they go through is just astounding. At the same time it amazes me how they just ignore the world around them and strive to make themselves happy, that quality is so attractive and leads me to believe that trans-people are some of the most interesting people you can meet. I totally agree. Homophobia is dying out in the West but transphobia is most certainly alive and well. | ||
Josketh
United States155 Posts
On July 05 2012 14:36 Shiragaku wrote: I totally agree. Homophobia is dying out in the West but transphobia is most certainly alive and well. Yeah. I think they've got to be the most misunderstood group of people. I don't understand them and I don't think I'm going to even try because there isn't a way for me to know what they are feeling. From what I understand, people going through the transition have always felt that they are the gender they are becoming. I don't need to know that a person is transitioning. If you are to be a woman, you are a woman, regardless of your place in transition. Whatever makes you feel comfortable. I'll admit I'm pretty ignorant to the whole thing so I'm not entirely sure what is considered offensive language but a person is a human before they are a gender and that is all that I try to let matter. | ||
Troxle
United States486 Posts
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Silverfoxx
United States184 Posts
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
![]() LGBluetoothConnectionServerWin32. Made me giggle :p | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On July 05 2012 15:37 Josketh wrote: Yeah. I think they've got to be the most misunderstood group of people. I don't understand them and I don't think I'm going to even try because there isn't a way for me to know what they are feeling. From what I understand, people going through the transition have always felt that they are the gender they are becoming. I don't need to know that a person is transitioning. If you are to be a woman, you are a woman, regardless of your place in transition. Whatever makes you feel comfortable. I'll admit I'm pretty ignorant to the whole thing so I'm not entirely sure what is considered offensive language but a person is a human before they are a gender and that is all that I try to let matter. It's surprisingly hard to describe. Here is a quote from whipping girl that illustrates the problem pretty well: It became obvious to me that I actually wanted to be a girl, and that, on some level, it felt right. Trying to translate these subconscious experiences into conscious thought is a messy business. All of the words available in the English language completely fail to accurately capture or convey my personal understanding of these events. For example, if I were to say that I "saw" myself as female, or "knew" myself to be a girl, I would be denying the fact that I was consciously aware of my physical maleness at all times. And saying that I "wished" or "wanted" to be a girl erases how much being female made sense to me, how it felt right on the deepest, most profound level of my being. I could say that I "felt" like a girl, but that would give the false impression that I knew how other girls (and other boys) felt. And if I were to say I was "supposed to be" a girl, or that I "should have been born" female, it would imply that I had some sort of cosmic insight into the grand scheme of the universe, which I most certainly did not. Perhaps the best way to describe how my subconscious sex feels to me is to say that it seems as if, on some level, my brain expects my body to be female. Indeed there is some evidence to suggest that our brains have an intrinsic understanding of what sex our bodies should be. | ||
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