Don't post in this thread to say "gay gamers are like everyone else, why do they have a special thread?" It is something that has been posted numerous times, and this isn't the place for that discussion.
On August 27 2010 21:15 Kennigit wrote: Why do some gay guys talk with a lisp and have feminine mannerisms? Is this put on or natural?
This. I can't help it if I seem homophobic when the only gay people I know have pink highlights, wear hundreds of colorful bracelets and live at the local arcade playing DDR.
i totally appreciate this. i was very similar up until about 2 years ago.
There's not much to say about it. I know where you're coming from and can't suggest a way to get over that. I only know that if you knew some of these people that make you feel that way, that you'd change your mind (selective individuals of course. many of them are just outright fucking annoying).
I just saw this yesterday. I don't understand how some people can be like that. I am soo happy I don't live in a place where opinions like that are widespread.
This is a really great thread. I've had friends who were gay but I would've found it very awkward to talk to them about it.
You don't have to go far back in history to find times that were far more tolerant of homosexuals. Imagine if you'd lived in Ancient Greece for example. Do you feel cheated by the current homophobic trends?
On August 27 2010 21:57 Klive5ive wrote: This is a really great thread. I've had friends who were gay but I would've found it very awkward to talk to them about it.
You don't have to go far back in history to find times that were far more tolerant of homosexuals. Imagine if you'd lived in Ancient Greece for example. Do you feel cheated by the current homophobic trends?
What existed in certain parts of Ancient Greece was not modern homosexuality. It was tightly rule bound based upon social hierarchies and status. You couldn't just go out and fuck a guy. Gays today have it way better.
I just saw this yesterday. I don't understand how some people can be like that. I am soo happy I don't live in a place where opinions like that are widespread.
lol so let me get this straight...
...You don't want children reading books about kids who have relations with older men, but every high school student is pretty much required to read Hamlet, which is more-or-less the story of a prince who exacts revenge upon his uncle who killed the king and married his wife (now a widow).
On August 27 2010 21:57 Klive5ive wrote: This is a really great thread. I've had friends who were gay but I would've found it very awkward to talk to them about it.
You don't have to go far back in history to find times that were far more tolerant of homosexuals. Imagine if you'd lived in Ancient Greece for example. Do you feel cheated by the current homophobic trends?
What existed in certain parts of Ancient Greece was not modern homosexuality. It was tightly rule bound based upon social hierarchies and status. You couldn't just go out and fuck a guy. Gays today have it way better.
Do they though. It seems to me like 70+% of the world dispises them. Which is incredibly unfair.
On August 27 2010 21:17 JamieDukes wrote: Who is more attractive TLO or Nazgul? Give reasons why. IMO one is very loveable while the other kinda rugged
Nazgul is one of the coolest people i've ever met. The TL.net meetup was such a blast.
I consider him attractive but he's also not my type. I like big/beefy/hairy men. Think Canadian lumberjacks.
It's so cool to have people from different walks of life create threads and inviting people to learn more about a particular way of life. This is what keeps me coming back to TL, the diversity of nice people and discussions, so nice.
On topic though... Mr Mora, what was your first real relationship with another man like? I assume (perhaps wrongly, correct me) that you were bottom since you like very manly men?
On August 27 2010 21:27 Crimson wrote: One thing I have always wondered... how do you know? What was the defining moment that made you realize you were gay? I have a gay friend who goes to the high school I just graduated from, and he told me that there was no exact moment. He just knew he felt different, and it wasn't until around sophomore year that he realized he was gay.
Man, it's so fucked up trying to figure it out!
Some of us know right away. I have a few gay friends who said they knew when they were 6 years old. Other good friends of mine didn't know until their 30s.
I suspected something was up when i was about 11 years old. I had been playing Truth or Dare with a few of my male friends in elementary school over several years. We'd dare each other to strip down and wag our dicks around shit like that. Just normal curious/young stuff. This continued up until grade 5 when a certain guy i was playing with wanted to do more shit than i'd done before. We got glad wrapper/sandwich bags and dared one another to suck the other guy off (with the baggy around his dick). I thought it was super great.
Then, when i hung out with him after the summer was over (we didn't hang out over the summer for some reason), he was going to stay the night and i got all excited to do it again. But he wasn't really interested. Infact, he'd brought over some of his father's porn magazines.
I thought the women were disgusting. I knew something was up.
So then i end up moving to another city where the culture is very different. (the place i grew up was super small town/hick). Soccer was the main sport at the school - everyone who played it was pretty popular. I was pretty good at that age, and so fit into this new crew pretty quickly (which was weird for me. As i was accustomed to being harshly teased, etc.)
These guys were pretty gay though too. After PE class/soccer practices they'd be getting undressed in the loccer room, and they'd be totally checking each other out. They'd point out all the new body hair that they were getting; they'd even feel each other up sometimes.
Pretty Sweet. I'm normal after all. All guys like to do this, i'm just a late-bloomer when it comes to wanting to fool around with chicks.
Fast forward to years and i move back to my hometown. At my new highschool you can't even make eye contact with another guy in the locker room. And all i wanted to do was stare at their junk. And i was still disgusted by vagina.
So yeah, i finally 'knew' by the age of 15. I was in denial for about 6 months after that, convincing myself that i could change who i was. I'm pretty intolerant of emotions like that though, so i accepted it when i was 16. My boyfriend moved in with me and my parents that year.
My friend was always into anime girls, then a few years ago around aged 20 he started to get obsessed with muscular tall women/anime girls. He exclusively hunted for muscular-women fighting animes and made tall women in MMOs.
Then suddenly he decided he was gay. He was extremely joyous and vocal about it (kinda funny for a gamer who calls everyone a fag to suddenly be proclaiming his faggyness to the world).
Now he's into shota/boys, spending a LOT of time in chans and exchanging camwhoring on IRC, but also likes to give blowjobs to random strangers when he goes out. His ideal is "young though dominant" and he's a bottom (tho a virgin I think).
This process was pretty weird to me and made me wonder how much sexuality is nature and how much is nurture. How much of this was caused by, over the years, gradually exposing himself to weirder things via the Internet and with constantly reinforcing behaviour and idealisms?
If he hadn't been a recluse and had got himself a girlfriend years ago, would he still be as straight as he was in his early teens? Would he himself have developed those masculine and dominant traits that he now lacks and looks for in others?
A similar situation happened to myself, and I'm certain everyone else has experienced something like it: I wasn't attracted to fat chicks one bit, until I started working with one who was actually quite cool, sexy and had a pretty face. I suddenly found myself fapping to plump chicks on the internet, something I would never ever have dreamed of doing before I met this girl!!
So to me, sexuality is something that is psychological and mallable - it can be altered gradually over time.
On August 27 2010 21:57 Klive5ive wrote: This is a really great thread. I've had friends who were gay but I would've found it very awkward to talk to them about it.
You don't have to go far back in history to find times that were far more tolerant of homosexuals. Imagine if you'd lived in Ancient Greece for example. Do you feel cheated by the current homophobic trends?
What existed in certain parts of Ancient Greece was not modern homosexuality. It was tightly rule bound based upon social hierarchies and status. You couldn't just go out and fuck a guy. Gays today have it way better.
Do they though. It seems to me like 70+% of the world dispises them. Which is incredibly unfair.
He probably should have qualified that as "Gays in modern society today have it way better". If you're caught with your dick in a dudes mouth in parts of Africa you would probably be castrated or killed.
On August 27 2010 21:57 Klive5ive wrote: This is a really great thread. I've had friends who were gay but I would've found it very awkward to talk to them about it.
You don't have to go far back in history to find times that were far more tolerant of homosexuals. Imagine if you'd lived in Ancient Greece for example. Do you feel cheated by the current homophobic trends?
What existed in certain parts of Ancient Greece was not modern homosexuality. It was tightly rule bound based upon social hierarchies and status. You couldn't just go out and fuck a guy. Gays today have it way better.
Do they though. It seems to me like 70+% of the world dispises them. Which is incredibly unfair.
Yeah, it's more that they didn't have it great back then either. If you liked to recieve then you were pretty much fucked (or not) the moment you reached adulthood because it was incredibly shameful. You could lose citizenship, lose rights to any form of public life and even be exiled. Homosexuality was not allowed in Ancient Greece, rather there were strict social conventions which at times tolerated certain types of homosexual interaction between clearly defined members of society.
It seemed the majority of responders thought it created an unnecessary division (kind of like the quoted post). Thoughts on comparative circumstances, benefits, responses?
And is the recently outed Republican RNC chair and Bush adviser a traitor?
I just saw this yesterday. I don't understand how some people can be like that. I am soo happy I don't live in a place where opinions like that are widespread.
I feel so disgusted watching this. Takes me back to my childhood being filled with anti-gay propaganda from various churches, I just can't believe the fear/hate people have for other people. My heart would be crushed if I were gay and was bombarded with hate against me for my sexuality.
I hope you guys that are gay found a way to endure it.
I just saw this yesterday. I don't understand how some people can be like that. I am soo happy I don't live in a place where opinions like that are widespread.
We affirm God’s design for the two sexes – male and female – and believe that each is a glorious gift from God. Our sexuality is meant to be offered back to Him. For some, this means joining in a one-man, one-woman marriage – for procreation, union and mutual delight. For others, this means celibacy which allows for undivided devotion to Christ. Sexual expression is designed for the marital relationship, and homosexual behavior is one of many sexual sins that is outside God’s created intent and desire for us.
We are deeply concerned about the hearts and souls of those who identify themselves as gay, lesbian, bisexual or “transgendered.” We want those men and women to know that God loves them with an everlasting love. Through salvation and the work of the Holy Spirit, He can empower them to live according to His design and standards for sexuality. He offers the grace to accept their true identity – not as gay, lesbian, or gender-confused – but as His sons and daughters, embracing their biological reality as male or female.
We are also concerned about homosexuality’s impact on families, the church and our culture. There has been a growing and very successful effort to gain not just acceptance but approval for homosexuality and “transgenderism” in many areas, including the church, the media, business and education. Society and families always do best when individuals follow God’s created intent for humanity.
In addition to being legally inaccurate, pro-gay advocacy groups’ one-sided messages also are irresponsible, and even dangerous, from a psychological perspective.
We know from social science research, that children are still developing both physically and emotionally during the middle and high school years. So a significant percentage of kids experience sexual confusion during this crucial time period.
Clearly, schools shouldn’t be opening their doors to messages that push vulnerable children into prematurely embracing a sexual identity based on the demands of special interest groups.
On August 27 2010 21:32 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote: wat.
This thread is fucked up. You're no different than me, or anyone else. You're not 'special' or 'different' for liking dicks instead of vaginas.
Why do gay people get a thread? That's the 'oh, look at me' mentality that goes against any idea of equality. It's 2010, man. Give it a break.
Pretty weak.
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I'm sorry you feel this way. I thought my first post was pretty explicit why it's important for people to be out and to have as many venues as possible to explore that out-ness.
While i agree i am not 'special' for liking dicks instead of vaginas, i do certainly think i'm different. Being gay introduces you to many psychological terrors that you are not exposed to when you're straight. These pitfalls are daunting, and most gays could use help that is offered like the one in the original post. Additionally, everyone gets to learn more about what is like to be gay, or more so, what's like to have been me. I do not think i am important, but many people find my story an interesting one.
In short: any sort of mental stability is a difficult commodity for gay folk. While you may have a point that singling out homosexuals violates ideals of equality, i'm going to argue that mental stability is higher on my list than obscure equality.
In High School I looked at a guys butt and thought man, thats one hell of a butt. Then I found out it was a guy and felt a little bit weird. Im not gay afaik though.
I am frankly homophobic (obviously, it's easier to admit that on the internet where no one really knows me anyway). It's a visceral attitude rather than an intellectual one, certainly, since I can't think of any logical reason why one sexual orientation should be more repulsive than another, but still: it repels me in probably a similar way to how orientations that are still considered "unnatural" today, such as incest or bestiality, repel most people.
I just wanted to say that posts like yours go the farthest in letting me view things through my intellectual side: when I read coherent, well-thought-out posts like these, I see the writer as a person, whom I can respect just as well as anyone else, who happens to be homosexual. Whereas if I were reading a passionate defense of homosexuality/condemnation of bigotry (or for that matter, when I read the parts in praise of the people who call themselves "fabulous") I would be more likely to think, "Ugh, faggot".
On August 27 2010 21:33 hifriend wrote: Are you religious? Would you want to get married? maybe that's private but im interested.
Oh btw I have this vague memory that you used to be called teroru here, am I right?
Yes, i used to be called Teroru.
Am i religious? Nope! though i do have a very strong faith/spiritual foundation in atheism. See my blog post Life, Death, and Beauty for a deeper explanation on this. (warning, it's a long read).
Do i want to get married? I don't know. If i decide to it's because i think that a wedding would be really fun. I like parties. I have no desire to "commit one's self to another for the rest of my life".
On August 27 2010 21:38 Badjas wrote: Does it irk you when the word 'gay' is used as an insult?
Yesterday I was playing transformice (fuck yeah) and I called out a map for being gay (new custom maps feature brings out the worst in mice). I followed up stating that I don't mean to offend homosexuals. I am not conscious enough to keep me from using gay as an insult, just yet, but I'm getting there
The gaming world is full of such things, and I also post this in light of the recent discussion of using the word 'rape' in description of matches and other gamer slang. So being a gaming gay guy, you must see this quite a lot.
I do!
And of course, i have an opinion! haha
This may seem contradictory, but i'll try with the short answer and if you need a longer one, inform me.
I am not offended by the usage of the word 'gay' in a derogatory fashion, in any capacity. Infact, i use the expression myself. Infact, i call a lot of people fags. (and i don't begrudge heterosexuals using that word either).
That being said, the word being used in that fashion is a definite contributor to our psychological problems of self-acceptance.
i guess at the end of day, i think people just need to suck it up and not get needlessly offended. There are more difficult trials in life, that one is just one of the requisite ones of being homosexual.
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