EPTI can understand feminine men want to be fucked by masculine men, but I have trouble understanding masculine men wanting to fuck feminine men. What is attractive about a feminine male that a standard, luscious, heterosexual female can't offer? Am I being ignorant?
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
I can understand feminine men want to be fucked by masculine men, but I have trouble understanding masculine men wanting to fuck feminine men. What is attractive about a feminine male that a standard, luscious, heterosexual female can't offer? Am I being ignorant? | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On August 27 2010 22:09 NickC wrote: My friend was always into anime girls, then a few years ago around aged 20 he started to get obsessed with muscular tall women/anime girls. He exclusively hunted for muscular-women fighting animes and made tall women in MMOs. Then suddenly he decided he was gay. He was extremely joyous and vocal about it (kinda funny for a gamer who calls everyone a fag to suddenly be proclaiming his faggyness to the world). Now he's into shota/boys, spending a LOT of time in chans and exchanging camwhoring on IRC, but also likes to give blowjobs to random strangers when he goes out. His ideal is "young though dominant" and he's a bottom (tho a virgin I think). This process was pretty weird to me and made me wonder how much sexuality is nature and how much is nurture. How much of this was caused by, over the years, gradually exposing himself to weirder things via the Internet and with constantly reinforcing behaviour and idealisms? If he hadn't been a recluse and had got himself a girlfriend years ago, would he still be as straight as he was in his early teens? Would he himself have developed those masculine and dominant traits that he now lacks and looks for in others? A similar situation happened to myself, and I'm certain everyone else has experienced something like it: I wasn't attracted to fat chicks one bit, until I started working with one who was actually quite cool, sexy and had a pretty face. I suddenly found myself fapping to plump chicks on the internet, something I would never ever have dreamed of doing before I met this girl!! So to me, sexuality is something that is psychological and mallable - it can be altered gradually over time. Interesting post! thanks for sharing. My thoughts: Like almost everything in life, our environment has a huge impact on our psychology. While i would be inclined to believe that he had deviant sexual interests before the anime, being consistently exposed to it would definitely move him more along that path. I'm finding a similar experience with myself lately. That story is too long for this thread, but it may be coming in a week or two. | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
On August 27 2010 22:59 niteReloaded wrote: Can you elaborate on this plz: I can understand feminine men want to be fucked by masculine men, but I have trouble understanding masculine men wanting to fuck feminine men. What is attractive about a feminine male that a standard, luscious, heterosexual female can't offer? Am I being ignorant? Not to get in the way of your question being answered by Mora or another gay, but there's a fetish for males, which is attraction to female body builders and the like. I would imagine it follows the same .. 'thought patterns'. | ||
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FortuneSyn
1826 Posts
I read your response to Kennigit's question and from what I understood was "some people can't help it so they embrace it". So basically. am I being an asshole for not liking fabulous people with over the top fashion prancing around in front of me? | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On August 27 2010 22:19 qrs wrote: Interesting thread. I am frankly homophobic (obviously, it's easier to admit that on the internet where no one really knows me anyway). It's a visceral attitude rather than an intellectual one, certainly, since I can't think of any logical reason why one sexual orientation should be more repulsive than another, but still: it repels me in probably a similar way to how orientations that are still considered "unnatural" today, such as incest or bestiality, repel most people. I just wanted to say that posts like yours go the farthest in letting me view things through my intellectual side: when I read coherent, well-thought-out posts like these, I see the writer as a person, whom I can respect just as well as anyone else, who happens to be homosexual. Whereas if I were reading a passionate defense of homosexuality/condemnation of bigotry (or for that matter, when I read the parts in praise of the people who call themselves "fabulous") I would be more likely to think, "Ugh, faggot". Thank you. It is for people like yourself that i am most motivated to start these threads. My father was extremely homophobic when i was younger. My being homosexual, and more poignantly, me being me, has a tremendous effect on him. Having a positive impact on such an ingrained attitude has motivated me to attempt to expand the perspectives of others. Sincerely, thank you. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 27 2010 22:33 SPYTE wrote: I must say I was VERY surprised the site of boobies saddens you... I thought everyone could enjoy and respect some bouncing boobs. The vaginia is another thing and I can definitely understand why one may not understand the enjoyment of it (without proper care i think a vagina looks scarier than the monster they used in the WATCHMEN comic LoL). ![[image loading]](http://www.shockya.com/news/wp-content/uploads/predator_robert_rodriguez.jpg) I have nothing to really add to this thread and I don't have any questions I wouldn't ask my bff, I just wanted to say I <3 you Mora and I'm definitely adding you to my "Who would you go gay for?" list. :D | ||
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Zrana
United Kingdom698 Posts
I read a theory somewhere that gay guys tend to be 3rd/4th/5th etc children, something to do with hormone balance in the mother as she has more children. Is this generally true in your experience? i.e. do you have older siblings and do your gay friends also? | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
On August 27 2010 23:13 Zrana wrote: Do you all play protoss? (sorry had to :p) I read a theory somewhere that gay guys tend to be 3rd/4th/5th etc children, something to do with hormone balance in the mother as she has more children. Is this generally true in your experience? i.e. do you have older siblings and do your gay friends also? Applying statistical analysis on a single case has no merit at all. | ||
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Mumei
United States257 Posts
On August 27 2010 22:47 dinmsab wrote:Wait, how does that work? Since you could do girls, does that mean they turn you on? I mean a straight guy couldn't get hard for another guy even if his life depended on it. Shouldn't it be the same for gays trying to have sex with girls? Are all homosexuals like this? I'm really curious lol. I can't speak for him, specifically, but you'd be surprised about the amount of sex that goes on between self-described straight men: http://www.annals.org/content/145/6/416.full Among men, 91.3% reported straight or heterosexual identity, 3.7% reported gay identity, 1.2% reported bisexual identity, 1.7% responded "not sure or don't know," and 2.1% declined to answer the question. Of men who answered the questions regarding the number and sex of their sex partners, 70.6% reported having sex with only women, 9.3% reported having sex with only men, 0.8% reported having sex with men and women, and 19.3% reported no sexual activity during the past year. ![[image loading]](http://www.annals.org/content/vol145/issue6/images/medium/5TT1.gif) Approximately 70% of straight-identified men who have sex with men reported being married, which was substantially more than any other identity–behavior group: 54% of straight-identified men who have sex with women and only 0.2% of gay-identified men who have sex with men reported being married. The authors do have some ideas as to how to explain this: We found that straight-identified men who have sex with men were much more likely than gay-identified men who have sex with men to report being foreign-born (43% vs. 15%). This led us to consider whether miscomprehension of survey questions could have resulted in misclassification of sexual identity. Foreign-born men who have sex with men, whether interviewed in English or Spanish, were less likely than U.S.-born men to identify as gay, suggesting that rather than misunderstanding the question regarding identity, foreign-born men in New York City who have sex with men were reluctant to associate their behavior with a gay identity. Although reasons for discordance could not be ascertained in our survey, the interaction of identity and behavior is probably influenced by social and cultural factors. Foreign-born men who have sex with men may be subject to the social and cultural contexts of the countries in which they were born and thus may be reluctant to acknowledge homosexuality or tend to use a more narrow definition of what homosexuality constitutes. For example, the phenomenon of men who have sex with men but identify as heterosexual has been well-documented in Mexico (31) and in upper-class settings in Latin America (32). These straight-identified men who have sex with men, most of whom also have sex with women, will exchange sex with "gay" men and transvestites but only in the role of the insertive (anal or oral) partner. Of note, New York City has experienced a rapid growth in foreign-born population, which is expected to continue. In 2000, 36% of the population of New York City was born in countries other than the United States. Approximately one third emigrated from Latin America, and another one quarter emigrated from Asia (33). And some gay people are actually slightly bisexual and some fantasize about men while having sex with a girlfriend / wife in order to maintain an erection. It's probably similar to the way that some otherwise heterosexual men have had sexual relations with another man while in a long-term same-gender environment (e.g. the military, the seminary, an all-boys (or all-girls, in the case of girls) school, etc.) - at the end of the day, people have sexual needs and deep need can convince some of them to experiment. In some cases, (common as recently as in the 1930s in places like New York), relationships would exist where the man on top would be ostensibly straight (e.g. have a wife and kids) by modern standards, whereas the man who received would present as effeminately as possible - almost crossing over into playing the opposite gender. This is one of the reasons (though part of it dates back to cultural attitudes in the Roman Empire about the notion of sex as conquest and the receiving partner of a sexual encounter as being "conquered" or "subjugated" (actually, the word subigere is used for both the public and private form of subjugation - war and sex), which is why in Rome it was not socially acceptable for a man of high standing to have been the bottom in a sexual relationship with another man, but it was acceptable for a man of high standing to have sex with male slaves) that being the receptive party in homosexual sex has always been considered more degrading - the man on top, so to speak, could at least attempt to argue that, like the gay man having sex with a woman who he wasn't really attracted to, he was doing it for some other reason and fantasizing about a previous girlfriend, wife, etc. The man who was on the bottom, on the other hand, really doesn't have much to say, which is probably why there's such a stigma on the bottom. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On August 27 2010 22:47 dinmsab wrote: Wait, how does that work? Since you could do girls, does that mean they turn you on? Nope! Not really. The idea of sex turns me on. The idea that someone is really fucking attracted to me turns me on. The chick i was with had wanted me for years (she's a good friend), so we went drinking and we started kissing (like we always do), and then we decided no-clothes was more fun than clothes, and then i'm fucking her. It was fun. She got pregnant and then had a baby, which was a little scary until we figured out that it was off by a month or so. I mean a straight guy couldn't get hard for another guy even if his life depended on it. I'm been with straight guys before. It's not as ratified a position as you'd think. Trying to convince a straight guy otherwise is nearly impossible. Until you're sucking him off. Shouldn't it be the same for gays trying to have sex with girls? Are all homosexuals like this? I'm really curious lol. Most homosexuals are not like this. Some of us just like sex so much that we're willing to forgive vaginae in that they are also able to be a hole. I like sex. Give me an ass, mouth, vagina, whatever. Fuck, you could give me your eye socket and i could probably still get off. But no, i'm no where near 'normal'. lol | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On August 27 2010 23:02 FortuneSyn wrote: Myself and most of my friends/brother have the common consensus that we don't really care that someone is gay, but if they act really gay (talking with a lisp, being fabulous), then it bothers us alot. I read your response to Kennigit's question and from what I understood was "some people can't help it so they embrace it". So basically. am I being an asshole for not liking fabulous people with over the top fashion prancing around in front of me? I had a buddy in high school who was openly gay. He acted like any other guy would do, but his boyfriend fulfilled pretty much any gay clichee you can think of. Bothered me at least a little bit back then (dunno how I would react to it now). On the other hand though, women who do really go over the top with fashion and especially make-up kind of annoy me as well. I'm not Mora, but I don't think that's particularly assholish. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
actually i don't. At this risk of breaching even my previous TMI tresholds: i do have a single item i use as a toy. It's a hammer. i put a condom on it and some lube it works great. (the handle end of course.... lol) | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On August 27 2010 23:17 Badjas wrote: Applying statistical analysis on a single case has no merit at all. No, this is a measured effect. Every older male child your mother has increases your chances of homosexuality by 10% (if you're also a guy). Reason being that the testosterone levels in the womb are significantly lowered after every male child pregnancy. There's also identified genes which increase your chances of being gay. Interestingly enough the same genes also increased fertility in female siblings. There doesn't seem to be any one defining factor for homosexuality, just a number of measurable things that increase the chances. Not all gays are younger siblings or possess the "gay gene". On August 27 2010 22:59 niteReloaded wrote: Can you elaborate on this plz: I can understand feminine men want to be fucked by masculine men, but I have trouble understanding masculine men wanting to fuck feminine men. What is attractive about a feminine male that a standard, luscious, heterosexual female can't offer? Am I being ignorant? I imagine it's the same reason men date manly women, women date feminine men, and lesbians like butch lesbians. The body type/mannerisms you find attractive vary within each subgroup. There's no such thing as a binary sexual orientation. Take Mora as an example, he's a self-identifying gay man who's had sex with women. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On August 27 2010 22:59 niteReloaded wrote: Can you elaborate on this plz: I can understand feminine men want to be fucked by masculine men, but I have trouble understanding masculine men wanting to fuck feminine men. What is attractive about a feminine male that a standard, luscious, heterosexual female can't offer? Am I being ignorant? you're not being ignorant at all. Unfortunately, i can't offer any sight. That attraction baffles me as much as it does you. Infact, i think i could more easily have sex with a chick than a super feminine looking guy. (Unless he had a large penis. Then it would be gg for me. lol) | ||
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Yenticha
257 Posts
I havent read every single post so I might be redundant, forgive me if I am. So, does anyone here "look gay" but isn't? I mean, I'm not fabulous or wearing pink all the time. Just wearing colourful clothes, thin, a kind of "juvenile face", etc. And it has happened to me quite many times to be mistaken for a gay guy, and hit on by strangers. Thats not a problem at all since I've never really been bothered by that; I'm just wondering if that's the case of other people. Also, do gay guys often mistakenly think a guy is gay? Or does it only happen once every 10 years? PS: Im not hit on by guys every day; maybe it happens once a month (Im living in a large city where gay culture is fully accepted, with gay clubs all around) | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On August 27 2010 23:02 FortuneSyn wrote: Myself and most of my friends/brother have the common consensus that we don't really care that someone is gay, but if they act really gay (talking with a lisp, being fabulous), then it bothers us alot. I read your response to Kennigit's question and from what I understood was "some people can't help it so they embrace it". So basically. am I being an asshole for not liking fabulous people with over the top fashion prancing around in front of me? You're not being an asshole unless you treat them badly. If you ignore them/avoid them, there's nothing wrong with that. Some guys act really tough. They walk with this half-limp, wear lots of bling, listen to rap music, and talk about fights, cars, and banging bitches. I'm not an asshole for having no association with those types of people, i'm just using my common sense. People who display behaviour that bothers you, you should generally avoid! it's good for all parties involved. Just don't call them faggots, or make fun of them (to them), or think that they're worth less than you are. That's when you'd cross the threshold of being an asshole. | ||
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Danka
Peru1018 Posts
Im straight and I think your awesome for your op and how upfront you are. | ||
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