EPT[CSL] Season 4 Official Thread - Page 34
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On December 19 2010 07:54 JiYan wrote: what would you say if team B beat utah, utah got replaced by team X who is really strong and beats team A. what do you think about that? When a new school is added, it will introduce a certain degree of inaccuracy due to that school not being able to play any school that Utah played. We want this inaccuracy to only affect team X by under-representing them and we do not want it to affect any other team. In order to do this, all of Utah's game must be disregarded. For the same reason why Utahs games must be disregarded, any game played by team X must be disregarded for the opposing team. For every original team in the group, their scores do not include either Utah or team X. This way, neither the removal of Utah or the addition of team X can affect the rankings in any way. Team X can be placed as first if they have more wins than team A, and can be placed second if they have more wins than B and less than A. Team X's record cannot be better than it would be if they were in the group from the beginning since every game missed counts against them. Therefore if team X got first, they deserved first, but if they got second, they may or may not have deserved first, but that's okay since they should have registered on time. This method works because no matter how good or how bad Utah and team X do, team B will never be above team A. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
Say Utah played the 5 hardest teams in the division, and then they got replaced. Team X is worst than those teams but better than all of the other teams. They go 11-0. Other teams are, say, 12-4, 11-5, 13-3, 15-1, etc. How do we place them? If we do win percentages, then it's not really fair because Team X didn't have as many chances to "lose". Hard win/losses makes it pretty impossible for Team X to make playoffs. Or, even if the division is extremely even, and teams are something like 8-8, 9-7, and Team X has the most wins (10-1, 11-0, etc.), then that's not really fair either because they didn't have to play the "best" schools in that division. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4222 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4222 Posts
For most of us, exams are over. For the unlucky few who haven’t finished their exams, well, that’s pretty unfortunate; because a tournament for CSL players is happening at 4 pm on December 21, 2010. Nothing is on the line, except your pride and honour. Even though the sun is at its darkest for us tomorrow, our top CSL players have an opportunity to shine! If you are interested in participating, send an email to logan@uostarcraft.com between 4 pm EST and 4:20 pm EST on the 21st, with your handle and character code, your race of choice for the tournament, and what school you are attending. The rules and format for the tourney will be posted on Teamliquid.net shortly after that, with the first round starting at 4:30. A link will be sent to all of the players. The games will be cast and commentated on, so if there are any streamers interested in casting these games, send an email to logan@uostarcraft.com with your streaming info, handle, and character code. Cheers! And see you on the electronic battlefield! | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On December 19 2010 08:53 DarthThienAn wrote: How do you suggest we compare schools then? ie. Team X will only have 9 games in the season, whereas other schools will have 16 games. Win percentage? Hard win/losses? Neither of these really work. Say Utah played the 5 hardest teams in the division, and then they got replaced. Team X is worst than those teams but better than all of the other teams. They go 11-0. Other teams are, say, 12-4, 11-5, 13-3, 15-1, etc. How do we place them? If we do win percentages, then it's not really fair because Team X didn't have as many chances to "lose". Hard win/losses makes it pretty impossible for Team X to make playoffs. Or, even if the division is extremely even, and teams are something like 8-8, 9-7, and Team X has the most wins (10-1, 11-0, etc.), then that's not really fair either because they didn't have to play the "best" schools in that division. Under the status quo, placement is determined through wins, not through win percentage, so it's not a problem. A team going 12-6 will be ahead of a team going 11-0. Team X cannot obtain any advantage through this because if they skipped all the matches vs hard schools, they would have the same number of wins, and if they would have won some of those games, then they are under-represented. Both cases are perfectly fine. To restate things, basically, inserting teams and deleting teams causes problems. Inserting a strong team will reward the teams that got a free win beforehand, and punish the teams that they play. In my previous post, I mentioned a solution, and what it does is emulate the standings where the inserted/deleted teams did not exist in the first place. This way, no team has an advantage over another. The inserted team has their number of wins, and if that number of wins allows them to qualify for playoffs, then they go to playoffs, because we know 100% sure that if that school was in the division in the first place, they would have gotten at least that many wins. If that school was just shy of playoffs because of auto-losses, and beat some of the playoff schools, they should try to sign up on time next season. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
As far as I can tell, your method seems alright though. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Miles_Edgeworth
United States141 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On December 21 2010 16:16 Miles_Edgeworth wrote: Even if they do lose to all the other schools, it still creates a potential discrepancy with set differential. Yes I agree, which is why I suggested to consider their scores completely independently. This is the closest way we're going to get fair results. | ||
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hazelynut
United States2197 Posts
I don't know what this is....hmmmmm. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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yenta
Poland1143 Posts
Obviously a new year's count down. Nothing to see here people, move along, move along! | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On December 29 2010 13:45 ZlaSHeR wrote: Unless they have an announcement during new years, but who would be the one to update csl's website at the stroke of midnight, meh We all have no lives.  | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
so mysterious mistress zhang. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On December 31 2010 20:41 Cedstick wrote: I have a question. I'm guessing you implemented the 2v2 match to attract a wider audience. During next year's season, do you plan on removing it? Everyone I've personally talked to, including all on my team, think a standard best-of-5 -- all 1v1's -- would be great. We had a vote. 2v2 was voted in by the majority. | ||
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