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On June 20 2010 03:32 youngminii wrote:Oh damn, an Australian SC2 scene? I'd love to get involved, although I only started playing Starcraft as of SC2 beta's patch 11. Good thing I'm a Korean Australian though, hopefully my genes will give me a boost 
You have +5 to RTS skills then.
To go along with your Australian racial talents of +5 to sports, and +10 to easy-going.
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I'm posting from redflag lan right now. I just want to say, at earlier lans almost noone wanted to play broodwar. Today with sc2 release impending people are playing it all over the place.
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hehe cant wait for the games mang
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On June 16 2010 22:50 dejai wrote:
I live in Sydney and I am really interested in competitive starcraft 2 I was diamond league before the reset. Australia has a lot of really good players (moonglade) and we really should organize something.
i've been thinking about this and definitely it would be worthwhile to build up a sc2 competitive community. I'm sure there will be enough interest and participation, especially for such a major release as starcraft2.
Starting small would be appropriate, a weekly/monthly meetup for example at a certain internet cafe on a friday night where anyone interested could drop in after work/uni/(school?) for a small round robin tourney, or just casual matches, watching a live cast or replays, having dinner, discussion on the game or hanging out in general. The face-to-face social aspect would be essential for building a core group to grow and expand the community from (not to mention fun). If I were to organize this, it would be in Sydney, since that's where I live, but other people could get a similar thing going in their nearest city. Considering it would be profitable for them, I'm sure a net cafe would be willing to host us weekly/monthly and give us an allocated space and perhaps a bit of promotion for the event (negotiation and $$ involved though of course).
It would take time to grow though thats for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if in the early days it was only a couple of people that showed. I have a number of rl friends that will be playing sc2, so thats a start at least. Plus i'm sure there'll be enthusiastic TL.net-ers keen for good times. It will take time for word to spread and enthusiasm to grow, but I have no doubt that it will. We have TL and cybergames to spread the word on for starters, and other promotional channels if we see fit. What would kick it off nicely I think is if we had big names attending, and I'm sure skilled aussie players will arise post release.
The next step is having a central website as some previous posters mentioned. One which would over-arch these weekly/monthly meetups and could be a platform to better organise things such as ladders or country-wide tournaments. A great example of what I'm thinking of is the Australian/NZ Team Fortress 2 site ozfortress.com. I got into competitive level tf2 for a while (great mature community btw) and this was THE site for aussies. It has regular leagues spanning the summer and winter seasons, active forums for news/strat discussions/recruitment/general chat, player and clan profiles, and regular posting of demos (replays). Something like this is absolutely necessary for the aussie sc2 community to flourish. It wouldn't be a replacement for TL, but it would definitely be nice to have our own forums to discuss things, look for training buddies, organise events, etc.
Money of course will be a main driver in the success of this. Money for facilities (ie. net cafe), for domain name rental, payment of a web designer (if necessary), and for offering of cash prizes. If anyone has any ideas or criticisms of mine lets discuss it here and see what we can come up with collectively. If we have a solid plan that I'm sure we could build something out of, I wouldn't have a problem with injecting money into it. Also, since starcraft 2 will be such a massive game on the retail, and international e-sports level (not to mention the fun level), I believe the community will be able to grow quite fast if we lay a solid foundation. Therefore the community will be able to self-perpetuate without further injections from the initial organizers, and revenues from donations, or tournament entry fees etc would be able to cover costs and perhaps more.
In the meantime i'm going to get in contact with the ozfortress dudes and ask them about how they started up, what kinda things they had to deal with, and whats made them successful. Lets hear the ideas/flaming/relevant past experiences!
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I have from a reliable source that the teamaus.org website is coming back, though not under that name. Cybergamer is also a good website and will host its own tourneys but of course we will want many more and it doesn't lend itself perfectly for individual tournaments.
Anyway, setting up regular tournaments and leagues is easy - the hard part is getting a prize, getting in touch with a large portion of the players, and getting a website to run it all from (also necessary for any sponsors).
Also I think a lot of the Aus/NZ stuff should include some of the more competitive SEAsian nations like at least Singapore. Though have exclusively Aus/NZ stuff too.
If someone can at all run a website I'd be happy to help organise some ongoing tournaments including Aus/NZ or all SEA nation teams, large elimination tournaments like the TransTasman Tournaments, leagues like SoO, and other team-league style things with relegation and all that fun stuff.
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I agree with everything you said bostic.
Well except maybe one thing
On July 03 2010 20:25 bostic wrote:
. A great example of what I'm thinking of is the Australian/NZ Team Fortress 2 site ozfortress.com. I got into competitive level tf2 for a while (great mature community btw) and this was THE site for aussies.
hahaha
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I work as a Web dev and have toyed with the idea of setting up a comprehensive website for the Australian community. One that allows people to discuss, talk about and run tourneys effectively. Essentially making up for the shortfalls that the Battle.net 2.0 has brought about.
I guess my main reservation was whether it was needed. I didn't want to invest countless hours into a site which would never meet the needs of the Aussie SC2 community, so I have two questions I guess:
1. Does this require a new website, or is there one on the way/just small changes needed to some of the current sites around.
2. What features would you like to see on the site - a forum is inevitable, news is nice etc. But what else would you like to see?
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WA gets no love XD
I'm a WA player would love to get better at SC2 :p
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On July 03 2010 22:43 Samus wrote:
WA gets no love XD
I'm a WA player would love to get better at SC2 :p
I'm in WA.
PM me your steam, skype or xfire.
We'll make a scene here one friend request at a time.
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On July 03 2010 21:57 Acies wrote:I agree with everything you said bostic. Well except maybe one thing Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 20:25 bostic wrote:
. A great example of what I'm thinking of is the Australian/NZ Team Fortress 2 site ozfortress.com. I got into competitive level tf2 for a while (great mature community btw) and this was THE site for aussies.
hahaha
Ozfortress is still around? Damn. Used to live on that site in like 2001/2002!
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On July 03 2010 22:04 Shocker88 wrote:
I work as a Web dev and have toyed with the idea of setting up a comprehensive website for the Australian community. One that allows people to discuss, talk about and run tourneys effectively. Essentially making up for the shortfalls that the Battle.net 2.0 has brought about.
I guess my main reservation was whether it was needed. I didn't want to invest countless hours into a site which would never meet the needs of the Aussie SC2 community, so I have two questions I guess:
1. Does this require a new website, or is there one on the way/just small changes needed to some of the current sites around.
2. What features would you like to see on the site - a forum is inevitable, news is nice etc. But what else would you like to see?
Point 1. - I'm not really sure about that one I think Del could answer that a little better, however if a new site is needed and some donations/whatnot is required please let me know I'd love to help. Unfortunately my IT skills have gone down the drain since I haven't kept up with the changing times and whatnot. I do think that it would be great to keep TL involved too in any way possible if we did have our own little "offshoot".
Point 2. - Forums for sure, news would be great. I think integration in to the social aspect of the community would be a great thing to see, given the power of social media these days. I'm thinking about doing a lot of commentary/vods on youtube once sc2 goes live so even having some sort of vid-link would be cool I guess.
One problem which a few friends and I were just discussing in my trilo server - was that there are always problems and it's very 'slow' establishing an Aussie/NZ community for games, given that the actual 'population' for it is a lot lower compared to the USA, euro, and obviously huge communities like TL. I do think it would be a bit of a struggle with this too, however given the power of the game, and the magnitude of players likely to play SC2 it might actually work in the end.
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On July 03 2010 22:04 Shocker88 wrote:
I work as a Web dev and have toyed with the idea of setting up a comprehensive website for the Australian community. One that allows people to discuss, talk about and run tourneys effectively. Essentially making up for the shortfalls that the Battle.net 2.0 has brought about.
I guess my main reservation was whether it was needed. I didn't want to invest countless hours into a site which would never meet the needs of the Aussie SC2 community, so I have two questions I guess:
1. Does this require a new website, or is there one on the way/just small changes needed to some of the current sites around.
2. What features would you like to see on the site - a forum is inevitable, news is nice etc. But what else would you like to see?
Well I hear teamaus.org is coming back, but other than that only cybergamer offers anything of interest and that is just a single forum without subsections (yet). Though a lot of tourneys will be run through there and I am not sure about other features they will implement upon release (e.g. replay or video uploads).
Features to consider:
- Forums are a huge must, and they have to be well organised with responsible admins.
- News for the front page is very helpful for casuals who just drop in, and an attractive front page with a shout box for chat and a few other features would be beneficial.
- Video sections are nice, just with embedded youtube stuff only relevant to Aussie SC2.
- Guides linking to things like Day[9] shows could be helpful in getting people interested in the competitive scene.
- Wikis could be really interesting - covering some of the players, teams and tournaments, but this may be covered by updating the Aussie pages on Liquipedia.
- Replays would increase the cost of running the site but would be a very beneficial addition.
- Tournaments pages, with full details, links to signups, results and stats, registration, replay or VOD links, and importantly a calendar (a la TL) would be huge. Could keep track of current league standings, team lineups, etc. Could tie in to the wiki? This is what I see as a must to differentiate it from other sites, and have it cover all things Aus (and NZ?) related with SC2 events.
- NZ catered for in a small section for our dear cousins?
- Achievements and other social type things that are kinda worthless but can help build a community and encourage quality contributions. Custom icons or something, access to veteran forums, and input into behind the scenes tournament and event stuff.
- Staff who are active and dedicated in upkeeping the webpage, moderating forums, running tournaments, etc. Basically it would be like an Aussie version of the iCCup page but with less facebook stuff and no server.
- Donations for site upkeep and tournament prizes?
- Updated content daily or weekly to keep people coming back, such as Australian game of the week, Wiki page of the week, replays of the month, etc.
- Casuals somewhat catered for but encourage them to get involved with the competitive scene - don't focus too much on casuals because they are the ones who won't be around in 6 months when the next shiny new game comes out.
Maybe more to add later. Building a staff and co-operating with existing sites like Cybergamer would be important steps to starting out. Also, implementing as many features as possible as soon as possible would really help in keeping people interested instead of trying to promote a site that people go to and just see an empty forum and never log back on.
Exposure would be easy with a few tourneys requiring registering on the site or at least visiting the site to check out the maps or replays or something.
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Z.Kw <---teamaus.org staff
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teamaus.org appears to be domain parked when I visit it.
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On July 04 2010 00:05 Acies wrote:
teamaus.org appears to be domain parked when I visit it.
Will be under a diff domain name but the site will probably be back.
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If the team aus guy/s plan on putting this together that sounds great. Do you guys need any help with development on the site? I can invest my own time and/or pull some resources from my colleagues to help if needed.
Not exactly sure who is in charge of the teamaus.org site, but feel free to PM me contact details (skype/msn etc) if you would like some help/would like to discuss the site.
Hopefully we can get a good clean site going to accomodate the aus community - something we've struggled to do in Australia over various other games
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I think it'd be nice to work out a ranking system too - not sure exactly how possibly the bigger (officialish) tourneys run on points - the bigger the more points at stake to work out the rank of players in the Aus scene.
Obviously would have to decide upon how to handle the points/allocations etc, but would be a cool feature to run with..Any thoughts?
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On July 04 2010 01:58 Shocker88 wrote:
I think it'd be nice to work out a ranking system too - not sure exactly how possibly the bigger (officialish) tourneys run on points - the bigger the more points at stake to work out the rank of players in the Aus scene.
Obviously would have to decide upon how to handle the points/allocations etc, but would be a cool feature to run with..Any thoughts?
Would be really easy to have rankings between Aussies if you just record results from Aus events. Make it like an ELO. Info from starcraftrankings.com or whatever that site was could be useful in ranking Aus players too.
There are a ton of models to base it on too, like Tennis (you 'hold' your points, grand slams give more, etc.), ELO giving points for beating a player - more points if they were higher ranked, basic points for what round you progressed to, etc.
I was an admin at teamaus.org towards the end, and I think the other active members at the time were dAncerS and Bman. Benz0r, Freezer and Oscillate are around somewhere too and they were running the show. I will try get some more info from benz0r.
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On June 16 2010 22:50 dejai wrote:
I live in Sydney and I am really interested in competitive starcraft 2 I was diamond league before the reset. Australia has a lot of really good players (moonglade) and we really should organize something.
We do have a lot of good players (not pro but very good) i think it comes from playing with lag for so long tbh i couldn't imagine how much i will suck one day in the NEXT 50 years when telstra decide to stop being gay and we get our own server
The thought of playing with 50ms makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside but also scares the crap out of me at the same time :<
Really hope Starcraft kicks off here i think we have a lot to offer to Esports its just harder for us to show it
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Adding another voice to the "Hey, we actually exist too" crowd. I would definitely be interested in a competitive Aus/NZ scene, assuming I don't chicken out and defect to the US servers 
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