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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
November 16 2010 19:15 GMT
#3501
On November 17 2010 04:11 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 03:56 Ingenol wrote:
On November 17 2010 03:37 decafchicken wrote:
Isn't it better to eat 5-6 meals every 2-3 hours to keep your metabolism going?

I used to buy into this myth as well, but as eshlow said it's simply unsupported. Whatever gives you a workable diet that you can stick to is best, although there is a significant amount of research that suggests diets involving intermittent fasting are actually better for you than a traditional, wake up eat breakfast, eat lunch, eat dinner diet or an eat every 2-3 hour one.


IF only really works well if food quality is good.

If food quality sucks then the body is liable to still hold on to fat more easily. Like if you tried that twinkie diet *facepalm*


Twinkie diet?

Links?! xD
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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 19:18:15
November 16 2010 19:17 GMT
#3502
On November 17 2010 04:15 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 04:11 eshlow wrote:
On November 17 2010 03:56 Ingenol wrote:
On November 17 2010 03:37 decafchicken wrote:
Isn't it better to eat 5-6 meals every 2-3 hours to keep your metabolism going?

I used to buy into this myth as well, but as eshlow said it's simply unsupported. Whatever gives you a workable diet that you can stick to is best, although there is a significant amount of research that suggests diets involving intermittent fasting are actually better for you than a traditional, wake up eat breakfast, eat lunch, eat dinner diet or an eat every 2-3 hour one.


IF only really works well if food quality is good.

If food quality sucks then the body is liable to still hold on to fat more easily. Like if you tried that twinkie diet *facepalm*


Twinkie diet?

Links?! xD


this professor went on a twinkie diet by eating twinkies and junk food every couple hours and lost like 20-30lbs. I think he took some vitamin pills too.


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-11-15/news/ct-edit-twinkie-20101115_1_calorie-counts-daily-protein-twinkie-diet
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 19:32:40
November 16 2010 19:31 GMT
#3503
BTW, don't do that.

LDL went down but they dont know what LDL went down since they didn't do a full lipid profile.

Big fluffy LDL is good and small dense is generally bad. even if total LDL goes down, if it's losing lots of big fluffy LDL and gaining small dense then that LDL decrease is very very very bad.


Also, good analysis of the whole thing from a guy who researches fat metabolism:
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/11/twinkie-diet-for-fat-loss.html
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
November 16 2010 19:52 GMT
#3504
On November 17 2010 03:45 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 03:37 decafchicken wrote:
Isn't it better to eat 5-6 meals every 2-3 hours to keep your metabolism going?


Studies show it doesn't matter

If it helps you eat less overall then go for it..... or conversely eat more overall for weight gain


what kind of studies? do you mean that the traditional 3 meals a day ~5-6 hours apart is the same as 5-6 meals a day 3 hours apart if you ate the same amount of calories weight gain and weight loss wise?

it's my understanding that your body cannot store protein (and you digest your food in ~3 hours) therefore in order to maximize building and always have a protein source you should eat every 3 hours. 5-6 meals a day also helps you regulate portions and control hunger urges so you don't binge on garbage, and also lets your body utilize the nutrients more efficiently because there is less to process.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 20:11:09
November 16 2010 20:10 GMT
#3505
On November 17 2010 04:52 Sinep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 03:45 eshlow wrote:
On November 17 2010 03:37 decafchicken wrote:
Isn't it better to eat 5-6 meals every 2-3 hours to keep your metabolism going?


Studies show it doesn't matter

If it helps you eat less overall then go for it..... or conversely eat more overall for weight gain


what kind of studies? do you mean that the traditional 3 meals a day ~5-6 hours apart is the same as 5-6 meals a day 3 hours apart if you ate the same amount of calories weight gain and weight loss wise?

it's my understanding that your body cannot store protein (and you digest your food in ~3 hours) therefore in order to maximize building and always have a protein source you should eat every 3 hours. 5-6 meals a day also helps you regulate portions and control hunger urges so you don't binge on garbage, and also lets your body utilize the nutrients more efficiently because there is less to process.


Yes.

Food digests over a period of 8 hours and take what it needs as it needs it... There's some myth running around that the body can only use X amount of protein at once so you have to eat more meals frequently to gain muscle. That's false.

I have no clue where you're getting the 3 hours thing.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
November 16 2010 21:14 GMT
#3506
Currently eating whatever I can get my hands on. So it varies.

Today's workout:

Pullups: BW+7,5kg x 5 x 3
BB Row: 60kg x 10, 75kg x 10 and 85kg x 5 x 5 (+2,5kg)
Pulldowns: 14pl x 8 and 17pl x 7 (+1pl -3 reps)
DB Row: 30kg x 10, 40kg x 6 and 50kg x 8 (+2,5kg!)

Maxed out the dumbells in the gym so I guess I have to work on form and adding more reps now.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
November 16 2010 21:49 GMT
#3507
Trying my first day of fasting today because it's the busiest day of my week.

Wish me luck.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
November 16 2010 22:21 GMT
#3508
I heard an interesting hypothesis today that part of the reason wheat may be so involved with food allergies is that there are so few strains of it being grown commercially, especially in North America. Thus people eating wheat tend to be eating the same types over and over again, and the body can develop allergies when this occurs. Apparently efforts to homogenize rice crops in Asia have resulted in large increases in rice allergies.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
November 16 2010 23:59 GMT
#3509
Got some jack3d in today. God damn that shit gets me fucking amped up. Whee.
Kinda tired from yesterday but not enough to deter me from my workout today
Maxed out DL at 455 for my starting point. Maxing squat in ~2 workouts, i have a feeling it will be frightening close to my DL.
Then got 135,4x150 for OHP, happy with my progress so far but want MOAR (big shoulders for hitting people desired)
And some 25lb pull ups and a ton of core now i'm exhausted.

Aight some borderline bad chicken, almost went into vomit mode but it went away. Must remember to cook it sooner after defrosting.
Ordered some vitamin d3, hopefully that comes in soon and makes my life feel all around better.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 17 2010 00:05 GMT
#3510
vit D3 back in stock on iherb if anyone else wanted to order some:

http://www.iherb.com/Healthy-Origins-Vitamin-D3-10-000-IU-360-Softgels/21298?at=0

LOW052 for $5 off.

On November 17 2010 07:21 Ingenol wrote:
I heard an interesting hypothesis today that part of the reason wheat may be so involved with food allergies is that there are so few strains of it being grown commercially, especially in North America. Thus people eating wheat tend to be eating the same types over and over again, and the body can develop allergies when this occurs. Apparently efforts to homogenize rice crops in Asia have resulted in large increases in rice allergies.


Well, wheat in general is very inflammatory because of gluten and its reactivity and role in irritation and intestinal permeability..

There is something to be said for eating a variety of foods though.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
November 17 2010 00:23 GMT
#3511
Yeah i had them e-mail me when it was in stock, must be a hot product :D
Already registered though so no 5$ off
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-17 00:42:39
November 17 2010 00:40 GMT
#3512
something else you may be interested in is magnesium supplementation, i started taking two softgels before bed every night and the quality of my sleep has notably increased

Maybe give http://combattrainingsystems.com/?p=651 a look-see, i'm aware im massively fanboying this site but everything he says has pretty much meshed with what eshlow says so i see no reason to doubt him
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-17 00:49:41
November 17 2010 00:48 GMT
#3513
i keep reading that grains are bad for you (and i trust you guys, am too lazy to do my research right now) but wtf am i supposed to eat instead of pasta? i fucking love pasta (just plain pasta though, i find most sauces or whatever make it taste way worse). i can eat it as a main side every day for months and never get tired of it. it's just so damn good. is it really that bad for me <,<?

what am i supposed to eat with my meat then (atm i do one of potatoes/pasta/rice but out of those 3 i prefer pasta by faaaaaar. not only is it easy/fast to cook but it's fucking delicious and cheap).
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
November 17 2010 00:57 GMT
#3514
Excerpt from the Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf

But I Like Bread and Pasta!

Yes, I like that stuff too, but they make me sick. I suspect it makes you sick, as well. Not only do grains make you sick by raising insulin levels, messing up your fatty acid ratios (n-3/n-6), and irritating your gut, but they are also addictive. Grains, particularly the gluten-containing grains, contain molecules that fit into the opiate receptors in our brain. You know, the same receptors that work with heroin, morphine, and Vicodin? Most people can take or leave stuff like corn tortillas and rice. Suggest that people should perhaps forgo bread and pasta for their health and they will bury a butter knife in your forehead before you can say “whole wheat!” Sorry folks, I don’t make these rules, I just have the lovely task of educating you about them.

Why I had to focus on gluten-free living, exercise, and trying to get you healthy, I will never know. I should have just peddled hookers, cocaine, and pastries! So much easier.

Instead, here’s a one week food plan. There are hundreds of great options, but this is a simple menu to get you started:

Week 1

Monday
BREAKFAST: 2–4 poached eggs, almonds, small piece fruit or berries
LUNCH: Chicken fajita salad
SNACK: 2 oz chicken, apple, few avocado slices
DINNER: Grilled salmon, roasted green beans, side salad

Tuesday
BREAKFAST: Leftover salmon, walnuts
LUNCH: Lettuce, tomato, onion, and condiments of your choice over 1–2 burger patties, orange, almonds
SNACK: Jerky, macadamia nuts
DINNER: Rotisserie chicken, steamed broccoli, side salad

Wednesday
BREAKFAST: Leftover chicken w/salsa, ½ avocado
LUNCH: Tuna and cabbage salad
SNACK: Remainder of tuna and cabbage salad
DINNER: Crock-Pot pork loin, tomato sauce, zucchini, chopped cauliflower, basil. Make a large portion, leftovers will be used for several meals!

Thursday
BREAKFAST: Slice of ham, 2–3 scrambled eggs, fruit
LUNCH: Leftover pork loin
SNACK: 2 hard-boiled eggs, almonds
DINNER: Stir-fry beef salad. Serve over bed of greens with balsamic vinegar

Friday
BREAKFAST: Sausage stir-fry breakfast
LUNCH: Easy ceviche
SNACK: 2 oz chicken, apple
DINNER: Spaghetti squash (Note from Tim: this is delicious) or kelp-noodle spaghetti: cook either choice with marinara sauce, ground meat, olive oil

Saturday
BREAKFAST: Chicken apple hash
LUNCH: 5–6 oz deli turkey, ½ lb steamed broccoli, drizzle with olive oil
SNACK: 2–3 oz turkey, carrot sticks, almonds
DINNER: Indian-style coleslaw, leftover pork loin, side salad with olive oil

Sunday
BREAKFAST: Western omelet, sweet potato hash
LUNCH: Lamb patties, tomato, lettuce, strawberries
SNACK: Turkey, avocado
DINNER: Halibut, roasted asparagus, berries with balsamic vinegar
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
November 17 2010 01:00 GMT
#3515
Also, when you have time, here is the chapter on grains. I highly recommend buying his book. I'm not following any of his meal plans but I use them to get ideas for food and also the knowledge you acquire is really valuable. I think my mindset has been changed so much that I don't even crave grains and sugars anymore, even after long periods, I look at the food and almost cringe.

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2010/09/19/paleo-diet-solution/
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
November 17 2010 01:06 GMT
#3516
Lol i go through that much food by noon every day. It'd be nice if i had enough money to eat fish poultry meat more, but i dont. perhaps soon. Till then i'll try to keep down the grain intake but i need it cause its cheap and calories

Also, i just found out my neighbor had pneumonia for the last month(didnt realize it?) and she had to go to the hospital for immune failure/heart arithmea(however the fuck you spell it). The kicker is i hooked up with this neighbor at beginning of school/made out with her less than a month ago. I did feel like shit for the first month or two of school and me/my roomate had a shitty cough for the duration as well. I did keep working out/took a ton of naps/ate reasonably healthy which might have kept me from dying? I've been feeling a lot better last few weeks so hopefully i'm over it. I do still have an above average amount of mucus for me though.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
November 17 2010 01:10 GMT
#3517
Obviously beastliness > pneumonia.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
November 17 2010 01:31 GMT
#3518
ermm
i'll look into why it's bad later (i'm not questioning that, i already said i trust you guys ^^)
i'm questioning what to eat instead

all of the sides there are just veggies. plain veggies. i eat a salad as my third side but i can't imagine your only side being a salad.. or veggies.. i think that's a little ridiculous to be honest would be one hell of a salad.

i suppose i could learn to love potatoes and only eat those as a side. potatoes are fine right?
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
November 17 2010 03:33 GMT
#3519
Similarly with my sinus infection decaf; girl I know that lives next doorish is thinking she gave it to me, and feels terribad about it, because she "showed" symptoms a week or two before I did. What i'm actually beginning to think, now that I feel ACTUALLY healthy (whoo antibiotics) is that I've had this sickness since early september, and between the vitamins, the healthy diet, and the weight lifting I was just attempting to smash my way through it. WHen I ran out of vitamins, and my diet and sleep schedule went to shit, it took over. Voila, I've been sneezing blood for three weeks. But I actually was the one giving out the sickness in the first place.

Now I feel like a bad person, because I've probably done this to another few people through the semester. But also quite beastly. I suppose I can't be blamed for something I wasn't aware of, and also that girls don't happen to take their vitamins and work out regularly, or that college kids are Dependant upon fast food.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
November 17 2010 03:36 GMT
#3520

I smoked this 115 and i bitched out on 120. fucking mad
at around 64kg bw
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
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