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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 17 2010 03:50 GMT
#3521
dim, you are incredibly fucking strong.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 17 2010 05:02 GMT
#3522
also, http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/

...wat.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
November 17 2010 05:08 GMT
#3523
On November 17 2010 10:31 JeeJee wrote:
ermm
i'll look into why it's bad later (i'm not questioning that, i already said i trust you guys ^^)
i'm questioning what to eat instead

all of the sides there are just veggies. plain veggies. i eat a salad as my third side but i can't imagine your only side being a salad.. or veggies.. i think that's a little ridiculous to be honest would be one hell of a salad.

i suppose i could learn to love potatoes and only eat those as a side. potatoes are fine right?


If you're not overweight or trying to lose fat, potatoes are fine.

I'm working from home today so I had time to make lunch, I grilled 3 large pieces of fish, cut tons of carrots, celery, asparagus and other random greens, threw it into the frying pan with some salt/pepper, and chicken stock.

Added the fish to a plate, some lemon juice, veggies on the side. I fell really freakin' full and satisfied right now. And it all tasted pretty amazing.

I could make a lot of variations of what I just had with different meats and veggies, it doesn't have to be "salad".
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
November 17 2010 05:17 GMT
#3524
On November 17 2010 14:02 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
also, http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/

...wat.


I'd love for this to be true.. I hate preparing breakfast.

eshlow, ever heard of this before? I definitely need to do some research.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 17 2010 05:36 GMT
#3525
well do serious bodybuilders looking for that 5% bodyfat eat breakfast or not?

i sure as hell know michael phelps does

i suspect it doesn't matter much and it's mostly just about daily caloric intake
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-17 05:46:30
November 17 2010 05:46 GMT
#3526
On November 17 2010 12:36 AoN.DimSum wrote:+ Show Spoiler +


I smoked this 115 and i bitched out on 120. fucking mad
at around 64kg bw


Excuse me while i go find my jaw. It appears to have fallen off. You are a fucking animal.


I like my breakfast Yum yum eggs.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
November 17 2010 05:55 GMT
#3527




here are misses, you can laugh at these if you want. poor technique on these.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-17 06:00:13
November 17 2010 05:58 GMT
#3528
omfg the first miss was sooooo close

i was gonna say that i don't think im a position to laugh at those

but yeah i actually did laugh at a couple of them they just looked hilarious
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
November 17 2010 08:46 GMT
#3529
On November 17 2010 05:10 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 04:52 Sinep wrote:
On November 17 2010 03:45 eshlow wrote:
On November 17 2010 03:37 decafchicken wrote:
Isn't it better to eat 5-6 meals every 2-3 hours to keep your metabolism going?


Studies show it doesn't matter

If it helps you eat less overall then go for it..... or conversely eat more overall for weight gain


what kind of studies? do you mean that the traditional 3 meals a day ~5-6 hours apart is the same as 5-6 meals a day 3 hours apart if you ate the same amount of calories weight gain and weight loss wise?

it's my understanding that your body cannot store protein (and you digest your food in ~3 hours) therefore in order to maximize building and always have a protein source you should eat every 3 hours. 5-6 meals a day also helps you regulate portions and control hunger urges so you don't binge on garbage, and also lets your body utilize the nutrients more efficiently because there is less to process.


Yes.

Food digests over a period of 8 hours and take what it needs as it needs it... There's some myth running around that the body can only use X amount of protein at once so you have to eat more meals frequently to gain muscle. That's false.

I have no clue where you're getting the 3 hours thing.


Most of what I'm saying is based on the book called "Burn the fat, feed the muscle" by lifetime natural bodybuilder Tom Venuto. I like to follow bodybuilders advice when it comes... to well... everything. they are the biggest and leanest people on earth, and I don't know a single one of them that does not eat around the clock (6 meals a day usually). One even gets up in the middle of the night for a meal. Do you have a link to studies/experiments about the effect of 3 meals vs 5-6 a day? Or any research saying that food digests over a period of 8 hours? It seems pretty logically to me that if you did the extreme and ate one meal a day, you'd have awful results compared to if you spread that one meal out over 6 in the same day (both muscle gain and fat loss wise).
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
November 17 2010 10:13 GMT
#3530
Lol you looked quite psyched up DimSum Well done !
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
November 17 2010 13:52 GMT
#3531
man, I need halp.

My social skills are shitty at best. I forgot how to hit on girls. fuck my life. my looks are better than ever, and well, I just don't have the lingo to get my bitches up
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-17 14:28:22
November 17 2010 14:26 GMT
#3532
On November 17 2010 09:05 eshlow wrote:
vit D3 back in stock on iherb if anyone else wanted to order some:

http://www.iherb.com/Healthy-Origins-Vitamin-D3-10-000-IU-360-Softgels/21298?at=0

LOW052 for $5 off.


Thanks. I just ordered a bottle.

Also, I got a pair of these Risto weightlifting shoes coming in the mail. I actually ordered the cheaper ones, but they were out of stock in my size so Risto agreed to send me the newer version for no extra cost. Score.

My first day of fasting was ... well, not gonna lie: rough. I was without food for 26 hours, and my stomach was going crazy when I was teaching my last lessons of the night. I was dead dog tired at the end of my day, but to be fair, I spent the first ten hours of it at one job, and the next four hours of it at my next job. For now, I'm eating fried eggs, some tsukune (a type of meatball), and kimchi. Delicious.

I'm gonna try to get in two days of fasting a week.

Funkie: do we need to talk about your game?

Dimsum: considering I can't even backsquat 120kg atm when I'm 95kg in bodyweight, I can't be too hard on you. One comment though ... you have brass balls to try that insanely weight so many times.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 17 2010 14:27 GMT
#3533
On November 17 2010 22:52 funkie wrote:
man, I need halp.

My social skills are shitty at best. I forgot how to hit on girls. fuck my life. my looks are better than ever, and well, I just don't have the lingo to get my bitches up


Do what the cool kids do:
make girl help thread in blog
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
November 17 2010 16:35 GMT
#3534
On November 17 2010 14:02 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
also, http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/

...wat.



wait, wat?
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
November 17 2010 17:41 GMT
#3535
On November 17 2010 17:46 Sinep wrote:
Most of what I'm saying is based on the book called "Burn the fat, feed the muscle" by lifetime natural bodybuilder Tom Venuto. I like to follow bodybuilders advice when it comes... to well... everything. they are the biggest and leanest people on earth, and I don't know a single one of them that does not eat around the clock (6 meals a day usually). One even gets up in the middle of the night for a meal. Do you have a link to studies/experiments about the effect of 3 meals vs 5-6 a day? Or any research saying that food digests over a period of 8 hours? It seems pretty logically to me that if you did the extreme and ate one meal a day, you'd have awful results compared to if you spread that one meal out over 6 in the same day (both muscle gain and fat loss wise).

Here's a good review referencing a lot of studies and explaining how it came to be that most people think more meals spread throughout the day is good for you. If you look around the site I think he even has a review of Venuto's book.

Certainly a single meal a day is not a good way to live for a lot of reasons, but spreading 5-6 out over 18 hours of waking has no scientific basis behind it.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 17 2010 17:47 GMT
#3536
On November 18 2010 02:41 Ingenol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 17:46 Sinep wrote:
Most of what I'm saying is based on the book called "Burn the fat, feed the muscle" by lifetime natural bodybuilder Tom Venuto. I like to follow bodybuilders advice when it comes... to well... everything. they are the biggest and leanest people on earth, and I don't know a single one of them that does not eat around the clock (6 meals a day usually). One even gets up in the middle of the night for a meal. Do you have a link to studies/experiments about the effect of 3 meals vs 5-6 a day? Or any research saying that food digests over a period of 8 hours? It seems pretty logically to me that if you did the extreme and ate one meal a day, you'd have awful results compared to if you spread that one meal out over 6 in the same day (both muscle gain and fat loss wise).

Here's a good review referencing a lot of studies and explaining how it came to be that most people think more meals spread throughout the day is good for you. If you look around the site I think he even has a review of Venuto's book.

Certainly a single meal a day is not a good way to live for a lot of reasons, but spreading 5-6 out over 18 hours of waking has no scientific basis behind it.


Thankfully he cites the studies so I didn't have to look them up myself. That would've sucked.


As for food digesting you can just google that.

Often food stays in the stomach for anywhere from 0-2 maybe 3 hours because it doesn't release it all at once. that's probably where the myth generated from. But it takes between 2-8ish hours to run its way from stomach through small intestine to large and then beyond there that's when you eliminate waste.

Think of it in terms of sleep. Full digestion takes about 8 or so hours hence why after eating and then going to sleep we have to take a bowel movement in the morning.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 17 2010 18:42 GMT
#3537
On November 18 2010 01:35 sJarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 14:02 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
also, http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/

...wat.



wait, wat?


i'm hoping eshlow can debunk this one
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
November 17 2010 20:30 GMT
#3538
How often do you train lifts from the hang? What's your best clean from the floor right now?
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
November 17 2010 20:39 GMT
#3539
I am really sick of eating 5 meals a day, it is a pain in the ass and a lot of work. I've read through a lot of the material on that website, and it seems to make sense. Since my goals are to be as big and as lean as I can be year round, this approach seems to be exactly that and outlines many of the same issues I have with more traditional methods. However, he does not seem to go much into detail... well about anything besides when to fast and when not to fast (but does not even say if you should do this every day, off days, or whatever). If my goals were to add muscle and stay lean, what would I do on an IF program? anybody able to fill in the blanks here? He even mentioned that he doesn't do curls or ab work and well... look at him, rofl. I don't need an education in healthy foods, but does anyone have enough experience with IF programs to fill in these blanks? thinking calories, workouts (throw in cardio?) and how often to fasting days.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
November 17 2010 21:02 GMT
#3540
On November 18 2010 05:39 Sinep wrote:
I am really sick of eating 5 meals a day, it is a pain in the ass and a lot of work. I've read through a lot of the material on that website, and it seems to make sense. Since my goals are to be as big and as lean as I can be year round, this approach seems to be exactly that and outlines many of the same issues I have with more traditional methods. However, he does not seem to go much into detail... well about anything besides when to fast and when not to fast (but does not even say if you should do this every day, off days, or whatever). If my goals were to add muscle and stay lean, what would I do on an IF program? anybody able to fill in the blanks here? He even mentioned that he doesn't do curls or ab work and well... look at him, rofl. I don't need an education in healthy foods, but does anyone have enough experience with IF programs to fill in these blanks? thinking calories, workouts (throw in cardio?) and how often to fasting days.


I dont know about IF, i've been eating 4-5 meals a day because i find i'm less hungry when i have a nice 500-800 calorie meal every few hours and it fits my schedule pretty well. But when i was getting lean and adding strength i was lifting heavy + HIIT 3 days a week with cardio(rugby practice) twice a week. Diet was definitely a decent deficit because i was pretty damn active 5-7 days a week and eating 4, maybe 5 meals a day. And yeah i don't do a lot of ab or bicep work and put 90% of the guys at my gym to shame when it comes to that department. Compound lifts + diet for the win.

Did some powercleans today, did a few sets of doubles at 225 and it felt awesome. Then i realize dimsum can do 30 more pounds and weighs 60 pounds less than me and i felt like a little girl again Sent an e-mail to the local oly club though hopefully i can get some more info on them.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
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