EPTOn February 10 2010 14:41 decafchicken wrote:
Eshlow, thoughts on glucosamine + MSM? and how it compares to fish oil?
Eshlow, thoughts on glucosamine + MSM? and how it compares to fish oil?
There's no real comparison.
Well, they both positively affect the joints but that's about all.
Glucos, chondroitin, msm, etc. are all components of cartilage. Increasing building blocks in the diet will help if you are having joint issues.
Fish oil.. is just good for everything. Cardiovascular, fat loss, brain health, etc. Omega 3 fatty acids are needed for everyone who lives in the modern age because of the high o6 content of vegetable oils which are in every processed food now.
Well, if you wanted to see the benefits you can just google it. There's zillions of websites now and studies (pubmed) on fish oils benefits.
On February 10 2010 14:52 KwarK wrote:
At the gym yesterday I measured in at 188. Good times. New goal is 182 but that's less likely and will probably be the limit of my fitness stuff. I'm a fairly chunky guy so I'll never be that light.
My BMI is now 24.7 though which is just inside the boundary of normal. I've been in the overweight, if only just, for the past 5 years or so. So although I've been pretty sloppy about my goals and made it here a very long time after I wanted the lifestyle changes have finally kicked in.
I still need to work on my fitness though. I'm shit at running. Did a 6 mile march with webbing, rifle and weighted packs with my platoon two weekends ago under 90 minutes which met the army benchmark but when it comes to running I just can't keep going after two miles, and far less if I'm already tired. I feel I've got the endurance to keep going all day at light exercise but I can't keep up a run for shit. Especially if I've already been pushed earlier that day. Some of the guys can do a run in the morning, take a few hours and then run just as hard in the afternoon but I just find I have nothing left.
Any advice or recommended fitness training or whatever?
At the gym yesterday I measured in at 188. Good times. New goal is 182 but that's less likely and will probably be the limit of my fitness stuff. I'm a fairly chunky guy so I'll never be that light.
My BMI is now 24.7 though which is just inside the boundary of normal. I've been in the overweight, if only just, for the past 5 years or so. So although I've been pretty sloppy about my goals and made it here a very long time after I wanted the lifestyle changes have finally kicked in.
I still need to work on my fitness though. I'm shit at running. Did a 6 mile march with webbing, rifle and weighted packs with my platoon two weekends ago under 90 minutes which met the army benchmark but when it comes to running I just can't keep going after two miles, and far less if I'm already tired. I feel I've got the endurance to keep going all day at light exercise but I can't keep up a run for shit. Especially if I've already been pushed earlier that day. Some of the guys can do a run in the morning, take a few hours and then run just as hard in the afternoon but I just find I have nothing left.
Any advice or recommended fitness training or whatever?
Are you in the military? or reserve or something?
Metabolic condition/circuit work would be good for you. If you've heard of CrossFit something along the lines of that (except their stuff is insanely high volume so I wouldn't recommend doing the stuff off of the mainpage). Maybe 2-3x a week.
Add in some longer runs and marches 1-2x a week and you'll be good.
On February 10 2010 15:17 DrTJEckleburg wrote:
After about 3 weeks of some real intense workouts at the gym and the addition of racquetball into my cardio workout plan, I'm in the best shape of my life and it's only getting better.
My workout buddies all take creatine, whey, like 8 other supplements, and steroids as well. Sounds a little too hardcore for me, can anyone shed some light?
I can't possibly remember the other supplements they use, they've got like 13-14 canisters of them.
Age: 20 || Height: 5'10" || Weight: 155lbs
Starting Date: 01/01/2010 || Goal Date: 01/01/2011
Weight goals -- Depends, increased muscle mass would not bother me by any means, but a stagnant weight wouldn't bother me either. I don't see how I could lose weight so I guess my goal is not to lose weight.
Training goals -- Get back to the gym after a few month hiatus, cardio is not an issue as I walk/jog over 15 miles every time I go to work. Would like to increase my bench max from 185->225, squat from 275->300. Also, I'd like to get a consistent tennis partner since my friends who play are flaky. UPDATE: I've gone to the gym at least 4 times a week each week and not getting tired of it in any way. Already reached those new max weights on both exercises.
Nutrition goals -- I already eat healthy but I could cut back on soda and ice cream which I do have on occasion. Also, getting high and going to In-N-Out occurs more often than I would like. UPDATE: I have not cut back on soda or ice cream and I still enjoy smoking and drinking, I have no plans to kick those last two habits either.
Misc goals -- Increase muscle mass and tone my body, I'm already thin so I don't need to lose weight but I've never gotten incredibly cut because I stopped going to the gym and I have been fat in the past. UPDATE: Never seen my arms, legs, or stomach this toned before. The combination of hardcore racquetball(seriously, SUCH a good cardio workout) and lifting have resulted in some excellent toning. However, this has probably resulted in a lower amount of muscle mass gained than if I didn't do cardio.
After about 3 weeks of some real intense workouts at the gym and the addition of racquetball into my cardio workout plan, I'm in the best shape of my life and it's only getting better.
My workout buddies all take creatine, whey, like 8 other supplements, and steroids as well. Sounds a little too hardcore for me, can anyone shed some light?
I can't possibly remember the other supplements they use, they've got like 13-14 canisters of them.
Age: 20 || Height: 5'10" || Weight: 155lbs
Starting Date: 01/01/2010 || Goal Date: 01/01/2011
Weight goals -- Depends, increased muscle mass would not bother me by any means, but a stagnant weight wouldn't bother me either. I don't see how I could lose weight so I guess my goal is not to lose weight.
Training goals -- Get back to the gym after a few month hiatus, cardio is not an issue as I walk/jog over 15 miles every time I go to work. Would like to increase my bench max from 185->225, squat from 275->300. Also, I'd like to get a consistent tennis partner since my friends who play are flaky. UPDATE: I've gone to the gym at least 4 times a week each week and not getting tired of it in any way. Already reached those new max weights on both exercises.
Nutrition goals -- I already eat healthy but I could cut back on soda and ice cream which I do have on occasion. Also, getting high and going to In-N-Out occurs more often than I would like. UPDATE: I have not cut back on soda or ice cream and I still enjoy smoking and drinking, I have no plans to kick those last two habits either.
Misc goals -- Increase muscle mass and tone my body, I'm already thin so I don't need to lose weight but I've never gotten incredibly cut because I stopped going to the gym and I have been fat in the past. UPDATE: Never seen my arms, legs, or stomach this toned before. The combination of hardcore racquetball(seriously, SUCH a good cardio workout) and lifting have resulted in some excellent toning. However, this has probably resulted in a lower amount of muscle mass gained than if I didn't do cardio.
DO NOT TAKE STEROIDS!
If you want better results, look at nutrition, sleep quality, and implementing a quality training program before turning to supplements... but never steroids or anabolic hormones. They will literally jack you up badly.
Looks like you're doing well though congrats! Keep up the good work.
On February 10 2010 23:54 seppolevne wrote:
Oh trust me I'm not going full vegetarian, just cutting down meat from 1-2 times a day to maybe 3-4 times a week. I'll probably also change from beef to chicken/fish. As for protein I've got beans/lentils to cover me on days I don't eat meat. It's more a reduction in those things, replacing them with the top list, then a full out stop - which I think is just silly.
I've also started drinking green tea since it looks to be pretty good for you, helps cut fat while working out and I'm getting sick of water.
Oh trust me I'm not going full vegetarian, just cutting down meat from 1-2 times a day to maybe 3-4 times a week. I'll probably also change from beef to chicken/fish. As for protein I've got beans/lentils to cover me on days I don't eat meat. It's more a reduction in those things, replacing them with the top list, then a full out stop - which I think is just silly.
I've also started drinking green tea since it looks to be pretty good for you, helps cut fat while working out and I'm getting sick of water.
Beans/lentils have very poor absorption rates of protein from them. I wouldn't even count them as a protein source...
Tea or coffee is fine if you're bored of water.
