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[TI9] Championship Sunday Recap

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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 21:32:50
August 25 2019 13:39 GMT
#1
Two Time Champions. This was what was on the line as soon as Team Liquid beat PSG.LGD in the lower bracket finals. OG had won TI8 while TL had won TI7. The stories of the two teams couldn’t be more different with OG winning through the upper bracket and Team Liquid starting their playoff run from the bo1’s. A champion would be decided and while OG were the favourites to win, Team Liquid had built a ton of momentum going through each opponent in the lower bracket and looked like they would be able to challenge OG. Before getting to the grand finals though, let's take a look at how Team Liquid got there.

Series 1: Team Liquid vs PSG.LGD
Last year PSG.LGD had been denied the Aegis in a 3-2 defeat to OG. Similarly to last year they faced them and lost 2-1 in the upper bracket finals and they clearly wanted a chance to get revenge. However standing in their way was Team Liquid, the team that looked so bad in groups that some wondered if they would even make it through their bo1 match against Fnatic. Team Liquid had gone on to stun everyone with a flawless run to the lower bracket finals but that flawless run was quickly ended. PSG.LGD started off game 1 strong, protecting Ame’s Spectre and securing their mid game with Centaur and Gyro. Fy’s Rubick was also on full display, seemingly stealing whatever spell he wanted and using it against Team Liquid to greater effect. Team Liquid would lose game 1 and for the first time since the first round of the lower bracket found themselves one game from elimination.

Game 2 started and it was almost entirely the PSG.LGD show. They slowly but surely built up a 20,000 gold and exp lead just before 40 minutes with their Huskar but then tragedy struck for the Chinese side. Team Liquid clawed their way back into the game in some incredibly long and spread out team fights. Mind_Control and GH made some incredibly plays on Dark Seer and Rubick which set their core Sven and TA up to cleave through PSG.LGD and we quickly found ourselves heading towards game 3. Sadly PSG.LGD crumbled in game 3, getting outdrafted and outplayed. Team Liquid sealed their place in the grand finals and found themselves in a bo5 against OG to see which team would become the first two time champion.


Series 2: OG vs Team Liquid
A lot was on the line for this match as It would determine the first two time TI champion and also who would win the 15 million dollar first place prize. Of course, the prize money is almost secondary to two teams full of former TI winners but it’s still a nice take away for proving that you are the best team in the world. Rather than talking about the games (which were all good to watch in their own way, aside from maybe the third game which was more or less a repeat of the second) we’ll quickly go over them generally and recommend you go watch the grand finals yourself if you haven’t already!

Team Liquid came out strong with a Meepo pick for w33 which was masked by an earlier TA pick. This ended up working wonders for Team Liquid but it wasn’t a straight forward win. OG had their chances, and even had the lead late into the game before Team Liquid made an incredible base defense and were able to wrestle back control of the game to their side. This was the only game Meepo wasn’t banned, and in following games it was always banned during the second phase. The following two games played out largely in the same way. MC got destroyed in his lane, W33 got counter picked mid, and Team Liquid failed to react to the incredible team fight prowess and balls to the wall aggression that came from OG. We’re talking T3 tower dives while every T2 is still up at 15~ minutes, and before that full on 5v5 brawls in the woods or mid lane. While these games were short they were entertaining in their own way.

Heading into the final game of the series we were treated to Ana’s carry Io. While Team Liquid’s draft was rather unique with Miracle on Bristleback and w33 on Windranger they put up quite a fight, even sieging OG’s base at one point, but after that attack was pushed aside OG took firm control of the game and became the first two-time TI winners.

OG had done something that had truly never happened before. They broke the cycle of no player ever having won TI twice, and did so as the same 5 man roster who had lifted the Aegis in Vancouver. You could see what it meant to the players as they saw gg typed out in-game. After a remarkable upper bracket run, OG once again won The International and successfully defended their title. Now the question becomes, can they get the threepeat?

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DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
August 25 2019 14:28 GMT
#2
Great event overall!
I write stuff on LiquidDota also I own omwproductions.com
W1ldW0lf1
Profile Joined August 2019
1 Post
August 25 2019 14:34 GMT
#3
TL DotA still lower bracket champions! What a way to get to the finals!
Gzerble
Profile Joined May 2015
82 Posts
August 25 2019 15:06 GMT
#4
Gaben needs to nerf OG for it to be remotely fair. Fantastic performance through and through, they were out there having fun and crushing it.
Nantrix9
Profile Joined March 2019
32 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 16:08:20
August 25 2019 15:57 GMT
#5
Edited since there was to much salt... Cool games, but far from my favorite TI.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 25 2019 17:47 GMT
#6
They made it to biggest mainstream news site in netherlands. They took the meme photos too...

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Another big site has article about how the ' dutch ' team TL lost 11 million

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HeYmaney
Profile Joined August 2015
Switzerland193 Posts
August 25 2019 20:23 GMT
#7
I was rooting for TL and was pretty sure it would be at least very close. But man OG played so well. It hurt me hard but at the end of the day I'm happy for OG, what a team! What a record! Congratz to them.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
August 25 2019 20:53 GMT
#8
This was the only game Meepo wasn’t banned in the first ban stage and w33 earned that respect ban.

Uhm... Meepo was banned 2nd stage in the following games. Not first stage.

Otherwise nice summary.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
August 25 2019 21:32 GMT
#9
You are correct :D fixed.
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ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
August 26 2019 03:25 GMT
#10
Imho OG is currently the best team in Dota history.... amazing performance both last year and this year.....
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
August 26 2019 03:31 GMT
#11
They were the two smartest teams on TI, but OG had the better players mechanically speaking, so it was to be expected
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 26 2019 03:58 GMT
#12
huh OG had the better mechanics?
That's hard to justify imo

they are imo equal in every position with the exception of offlane where i would argue mind control is probably slightly better.
Rillanon.au
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-26 04:39:53
August 26 2019 04:08 GMT
#13
I was glad TL made it to the finals. Both these teams share a lot of history, mostly outside gaming. Both were created around the same time, with a lot of the same principles, yet also differed in a lot of ways. Both teams gave chances for talent to show their stuff, both maintained that the best way to evolve is fighting adversity, if possible.

I see OG as a more cerebral and spiritual team, and at large has always taken the bigger accolades, while TL with their starstudded roster may have had more consistency.

So when it finally happened at the biggest stage, that they would meet in a final, there must have been some joy in completely picking TL apart, opening Kuro's skull, and take a dump. Hope they will recover, but at the end of the day, they can be immensely proud of their run after a troublesome group stage.

Hard to criticise anything after getting to a final, but it is strange how innovative Miracle- seemed, when playing for OG. I have no idea why he parted ways with OG, but if Kuro can unlock that higher performance out of Miracle- again, they may go places. I see so many similarities in how RTZ has suffered as a pos 1, and how Miracle-'s impact is as one, in relation to the past. w33 is a talented player, but I don't think he adds to a dynamism in TL, in fact, it seems to give Miracle- less room to express himself and excel. Maybe it is just OG that can bring that extra level out of players. There is a whole lot of talent in TL, but that could very well also be their biggest weakness. You always need that glue that binds it all together, and placing it all on MC is too much. Neither kuro nor GH are those kind of players, I feel.

A lot of credit to Kuro still. It is not an easy task to make a starstudded roster come together, possibly one of the hardest ones.

I see a lot of similarities in the sports world, where Jürgen Klopp's LFC is the equivalent of OG, and Guardiola's City is Team Liquid. One is guided by freedom of expression, passion, collectivism, and controlling chaos, and the other by strict discipline, control, individualism and refinement. I think that is a spot on analogy.
LiangHao
Aznupdown
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada318 Posts
August 26 2019 15:16 GMT
#14
On August 26 2019 12:58 haduken wrote:
huh OG had the better mechanics?
That's hard to justify imo

they are imo equal in every position with the exception of offlane where i would argue mind control is probably slightly better.


If you could argue those, OG wouldn't have destroyed Liquid 3-1 in the finals. Not saying Liquid isn't good, OG IS the superior team in all aspects
I said hiii
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
August 26 2019 17:01 GMT
#15
Couldn't watch the finals, i think i'll watch the VODs asap... well, congrats to OG, i think that winning the 2nd TI in a row can put them as the GOAT Dota team ever without a discussion, and Ana the best player in dota history atm.

Let's see what the future will bring us , grats!
The Real Power~
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
August 26 2019 21:34 GMT
#16
Games 2 and 3 were hard to watch as a Liquid fan :’(
OG of course earned it though. Liquids drafting was just a little too predictable games 2-3 and their change up in game 4 left them one stun against a Timbersaw, who is one of the better heroes at dealing with a Bristleback.
OG honestly looked like the better team in game one too, they just lost one fight and Liquid ran down mid
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-27 15:32:51
August 27 2019 15:32 GMT
#17
Rigged level awesome tournament. My 2 favorite teams, playing out 2 very different stories, and OG winning in the end, as I wished they would, and doing so with spectacular, fight oriented, confident drafts.

I love this team, I love n0tail, and I love the fact that the 5 highest earning e-sports athletes of all time are the 5 OG boys
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Gzerble
Profile Joined May 2015
82 Posts
August 29 2019 05:10 GMT
#18
On August 27 2019 00:16 Aznupdown wrote:
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On August 26 2019 12:58 haduken wrote:
huh OG had the better mechanics?
That's hard to justify imo

they are imo equal in every position with the exception of offlane where i would argue mind control is probably slightly better.


If you could argue those, OG wouldn't have destroyed Liquid 3-1 in the finals. Not saying Liquid isn't good, OG IS the superior team in all aspects

Quoting an expert from a different eSport in a different era: very few people understand just how small the differences at the top are. Against any good team, the possibility of a comeback only exists if you're nearly as talented. It's just that tiny differences compound and snowball very easily in dota, and suddenly you have a player like Topson going 17-2. The top 8 teams in the world now are each stronger than the top 8 teams in the world 3-4 years ago, and people who say that one is impossibly ahead of the others is doing them a disfavor (especially OG, because they earned their wins and didn't get handed anything).

From a sheer mechanics perspective Topson is not the strongest mid - plenty of people can match up well with him in a one on one if their match up doesn't suck (very much like s4 in TI3)... w33 has better micro skills, SumaiL knows to farm better, and so on. But if mechanics / 1v1 skills were the deciding factor in the game, we'd be playing LoL. Topson's decision making skills put him head and shoulders above Sumail and w33, and are the reason he can facerush into three players and kill them all seven minutes into a game when any other team would play too conservative to allow that.

I don't think it's unfair to say that Nisha has better mechanics than anyone on OG. I also don't think it's unfair to say that this doesn't matter one bit, because while a team like Secret is mechanically amazing, they are strategically and tactically inferior. Because in a nutshell, OG are ahead of the rest as a team, not as individual players.
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
August 29 2019 09:39 GMT
#19
On August 29 2019 14:10 Gzerble wrote:
I also don't think it's unfair to say that this doesn't matter one bit, because while a team like Secret is mechanically amazing, they are strategically and tactically inferior. Because in a nutshell, OG are ahead of the rest as a team, not as individual players.


I agree with you on many points, but to say Team Secret is strategically and tactically inferior after being dominant for the complete season including by far the most diverse drafts of all top teams? That is not fair. I mean, Secret was the Team before TI to make nearly every draft work whatever they have been picking for their players. At TI it just felt like that Midone was not at his prime or at least not at the same level like during the season.

Beside the fact that OG played pretty damn well and punished draft mistakes(see game 2 of GF) like no one else did, OG abused(like Liquid at TI7) it to perfection that Teams do not have enough bans available in the first phase and the opponents have to pick their poison and try to deal with it.

Mechanically, all of the top teams are at the same level at least I cannot say who is the most gifted person/team in this regard.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
warrior4093
Profile Joined November 2017
100 Posts
August 29 2019 12:26 GMT
#20
whenever making comparison people mention 1v1 or winning lane, its both great but if your decision making is not good enough than you will never win in dota because its 5v5 game not 1v1 , winning lane dose not win you game , sometimes the most game winning play is to sacrifice your own game for your team so your team can win, the understanding and decision making of the players is what makes them better than others, not the mechanical skills or winning a 1v1 ( both are good quality to have but will never make your great if there is lack in decision making ). Dota is mainly a strategic team game with a fair amount of skill needed to execute your plan but saying a certain player is simply good cause he wins 1v1 alot and always wins his game, does not make him great player (watch g3 OG vs EG Ti8 where sumail was wrecking havoc but in later stage it came to decision making and team fights and we all know how that went).

do not compare players on mechanical skills, dota is much more than 1v1 and mechanical skills , it a mix of decision making, itemization , strategy, team play , sometimes self sacrifice for team to win. It is vast , do not judge players because pubs are just 1v1, in pro games 1v1 hardly even matters.
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