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LightTemplar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland481 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-20 11:43:19
September 20 2015 11:42 GMT
#21
Pretty much always play at 150-180 or so, i've come to notice that its pretty game affecting but i try not to get too bothered. I think the most noticeable problems are buying out as I'm about to die and earthshaker fissures being off. I don't play super timing orientated heroes all that much though. Definitely have to make use of shift clicking with some blink heroes though.
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Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
September 21 2015 09:07 GMT
#22
For me it depends on if it's spiking. If it's a steady 200-250 ping then I can play OK even on some miss like sf and invoker, but if it spikes a lot between 50 and 200 then that's unplayable because you can't trust the timing of how long it will take for something to happen after you click a button.

Like if I'm freefarming a lane I'm going to get 90%+ CS if I'm at steady 200 ping, but like 50-80% or less if I'm spiking a lot.
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Nerfed
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation1132 Posts
September 21 2015 11:50 GMT
#23
You can play Undying up to 1 sec ping imo lol. You place your tomb, press your ulty, decay in the middle of the enemy, soul rip some1 important when they at 1/2 HP and use your mek/pipe asap as people suffer some dmg. Fair hero.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
September 22 2015 16:32 GMT
#24
under 250ms is still okay, playable but not optimal
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hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
September 22 2015 21:28 GMT
#25
pros win with higher

not that playing with high ping is fun or productive for pubs but winning is still quite viable if you're good
Checkm8
Profile Joined March 2011
Japan627 Posts
September 23 2015 14:50 GMT
#26
I think ~160 ping is normal in most of the Philippine net cafes, though I've seen ~30 or below ping here too. I don't want to play in 200-250 ping, but I can make do with heroes like Sniper or WK. 250+ is simply rage-inducing.
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Hai1Fyre
Profile Joined May 2014
South Africa270 Posts
September 24 2015 17:41 GMT
#27
I play on the South Africa server and normally have about 45ms. I struggle over 100, so playing on EU is not an option.

side question, but relevant, has anyone else been having packet loss issues since reborn?
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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-24 23:49:55
September 24 2015 23:49 GMT
#28
>300 is completely unplayable, 200-300 I wouldn't recommend (though playing something like ogre support is fine), but 100-200 is actually ok (though you might have to relearn last hit timing if you're not used to it).
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TheJamesBat
Profile Joined May 2016
Malaysia2 Posts
May 28 2016 10:16 GMT
#29
150 is still playable, 180 you will notice a lot of lag but still playable. Anything above that is too much. I have another question though. How to play in another region with low pings? I want to play in SEA region with a few friends but ping is quite high...
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phantomlancer23
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
733 Posts
May 28 2016 11:01 GMT
#30
Im playing with 50 on EU which is ok.On USE i m playing with 130-150 and i often cancel attacks and spells so this is the limit for me.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12077 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 11:17:19
May 28 2016 11:16 GMT
#31
On May 28 2016 19:16 TheJamesBat wrote:
150 is still playable, 180 you will notice a lot of lag but still playable. Anything above that is too much. I have another question though. How to play in another region with low pings? I want to play in SEA region with a few friends but ping is quite high...


You can see ping to all regions when hitting play once. If they are all bad you need something to change your routing to a better one. Step one is doing a tracert and talk to your ISP to see if they can fix the step breaking the ping. If that isn't possible and alternative ISPs are just as good (likely) then you can try a proxy and see if it helps. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't since the problem is before the proxy can kick in.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/game/how-reduce-ping-latency-3609346/ has some general problem solving advice.

As for the actual topic, WC3 had 250ms and it was playable. It just was more enjoyable when one started using third party tools to get 100ms at first and then as low as the host could get as solutions improved.
zolasell
Profile Joined April 2016
Greece288 Posts
May 28 2016 15:23 GMT
#32
One time i met a guy who kept pausing the game because of lag.he said there was no packet loss but he had 40 ping "wich was insane".He also instapicked mid,played really bad and thrashtalked the entire game.
incoherent
Profile Joined November 2011
United States54 Posts
May 30 2016 03:50 GMT
#33
I feel like a stable 150ms is much better than randomly spiking between 50ms and 150ms. You can get used to a relatively high but stable ping; if it's unstable then you can't compensate for it as well.
uberxD
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
412 Posts
May 30 2016 16:12 GMT
#34
250+ ping makes me not wanting to play a match
With that ping I play support heroes that don't require too much timing on the skills that have cast times
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HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
May 31 2016 16:31 GMT
#35
high ping is fine as long as its stable. i play with 200+ on euw all the time, some heroes like storm is really hard to do well but easy melee heroes it doesnt matter much. beat 7k eu trash with my 200ping np
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Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
May 31 2016 23:35 GMT
#36
Depends on what your playstyle is and what you're used to. If you're used to 100+ms, you might not have a problem with it at all.

For me, I'm too used to 30ms-70ms ping now. Anything close to 100ms and it starts to get REALLY annoying.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
June 02 2016 15:16 GMT
#37
Depends on how much ping is still fun for you.

For me 200ping spikes are really annoying and if I break 300 I usually stop playing.
Most of the time have 30-70 however, which is great.
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DonDomingo
Profile Joined October 2015
504 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-02 16:55:32
June 02 2016 16:55 GMT
#38
usually have between 18 and 30 ping to EU-W but when I play with one of my friends on US-E I have 90-110 ping which is kinda playable but there are so many things you cant do with such delay and its definitely obnoxious
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
June 02 2016 17:25 GMT
#39
personally i've got 30 to west, and 100+ to east.
as i queue for both at reasonable times, i have a higher winrate on west and notice the latency difference playing on east.
i can't hold down keys to rapidfire keypresses, but i do mash quite often to get out of sticky situations, hoping to get lucky for blinks, bkbs, manta, armlet toggles, or wands. i am sure the ping doesn't affect myself for this more than it does for my opponents, because it's their execution that counts here.

in counterstrike i played at around maybe ~22fps average as an early professional when CPL and CAL was a thing.
earlier LCD monitors had slow reponse times too, but rarely if ever it was recognizable or a hindrance. i mean 16ms is 1/60th of a second, or frame-perfect for some games. the standard for counterstrike was 30+.

as for dota 2 and starcraft 2 i sit at around 30fps as well, same pings all around for starcraft.
for me, it's just a lot more pleasant to play on other systems with higher fps, and i'd rather deal with consistent latency in the 100's as a tradeoff, especially in a game like dota 2. leading shots in counterstrike was doable as well, with 150ping or more. quite a lot of math was done by a lot of players to figure out just how much you needed to compensate for that if we weren't playing at venue or something.
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